Monster female players
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Diane Crane- My all time favorite, nice stroke, great cue ball control, always seems to be on the right side of the ball, Class act, seen her beat Cliff Joyner (won money on that match up it was like stealing).smoooothstroke said:
Robin Bell- Fantastic lady, friendly, smart, willing to help you with your game.
Betty Sessions- local favorite here in Atlanta, a lot and I do mean a lot of heart in her game.
Sarah Rousey- I love to see her play and she is real funny. Great one pocket game.
Alice Rim- She is Fantastic!!! Nuff said.
Ga-Young Kim- Love to see her on TV.
Jasmin Ouschan- Fantastic player and great game face.
Female players
As far as Julie Mason, the 90's was when she was hooked up with Coy Lee Nickelson, and traveling to tournaments. Julie never hit her stride as a pro, and was rated #27 player on tour, I believe. My running Pool buddy, Jamie Sanders, is married to Julie's sister, Carol.
Rhonda Pearson, from Tulsa, plays good for the amateur or semi-pro category.
As far as Julie Mason, the 90's was when she was hooked up with Coy Lee Nickelson, and traveling to tournaments. Julie never hit her stride as a pro, and was rated #27 player on tour, I believe. My running Pool buddy, Jamie Sanders, is married to Julie's sister, Carol.
Rhonda Pearson, from Tulsa, plays good for the amateur or semi-pro category.
worriedbeef said:
WB,
Wow, I guess I would have to disagree with your assessment. While Jasmine has "oceans" of talent, and is a VERY good and dynamic player; many of us who viewed her at the recent WPBA stopped were REALLY surprised by her rather unorthodox stroke. It is admittedly very athletic, but she has a huge elbow drop (often before impact), and with the "elbow-in" her forearm is not perpendicular. I definitely feel that such a stroke will limit her consistency and put a ceiling on how good she can become. Her ball pocketing was good at the event, but nowhere near an Allison Fisher. Perhaps it is her athleticism that allows her to succeed with such a stroke, but one can't help but wonder how great she might be with a less complicated stroke. JMO.
On the other hand, Yu Ram Cha has one of the most classically sound strokes I have seen - just awesome. Definitely a player to watch.
Williebetmore said:
hmm you're comments really surprise me tbh - her stroke is big - maybe that's why it may seem to be a bit complicated, but to me it appears smooth and simple. and i don't see the elbow drop either.
here's a short clip where you can see her stroke:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zC-LPgMY-nE
there's a nice shot at around 1 minute 13 where we see her stroke from the side. personally i prefer the view in the shot just after, due to, how can i put it... logistical elements?
what i like about her is she has that power game - her pool game is like that of a man's, as opposed to a lot of the women's more snooker style strokes and game.
i'm sure we can both agree she's hot though!
Snapshot9 said:
I saw Julie just a few months ago. Her stroke was as beautiful as in the 90s!
Williebetmore said:
Willie-Stay out of the medicine cabinet til your eyes have adjusted in the morning. :grin-square:
No seriously, I have never noticed such flaws or heard anything but the highest accolades re her stroke so I am quite surprised by your analysis.
As far as the perpindicular thing, many if not most good players have the hand slightly forward of perpindicular. I beleive it is Byrne who points out that it is no coincidence that so many of the better players set up this way though he cannot find a scientific advantage to it. Is this how she is off perpindicular?
Perhaps her stroke has changed recently for the worse? Thus explaining her less than stellar performances of late.
Anyway, I will monitor this situation closely over the coming months and let you know again in the future how wrong you are.:smile:
PS- I have some connections in Indiana if you have trouble getting into a nursing home or anything like that. Dont be shy.
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Nostroke said:Willie-Stay out of the medicine cabinet til your eyes have adjusted in the morning. :grin-square:
No seriously, I have never noticed such flaws or heard anything but the highest accolades re her stroke so I am quite surprised by your analysis.
As far as the perpindicular thing, many if not most good players have the hand slightly forward of perpindicular. I beleive it is Byrne who points out that it is no coincidence that so many of the better players set up this way though he cannot find a scientific advantage to it. Is this how she is off perpindicular?
Perhaps her stroke has changed recently for the worse? Thus explaining her less than stellar performances of late.
Anyway, I will monitor this situation closely over the coming months and let you know again in the future how wrong you are.:smile:
PS- I have some connections in Indiana if you have trouble getting into a nursing home or anything like that. Dont be shy.
Nostroke,
Many, many thanks for your humanitarian offer. I will keep it in mind as my golden years unfold.
Actually, I have not seen her stroke in the past, so I don't know if it's changed recently. She has a monster elbow drop - at Michigan City she exhibited the largest elbow drop in the field, and the largest I've ever seen in any player, even on some very soft shots. I did not study how often, or how consistently she did this; but it was often enough even for my failing senses to note.
Her forearm when viewed from the side IS perpendicular; but viewed from the front is skewed substantially inwards (ie: reverse chicken wing with the elbow near the body ala Greenleaf or McCready). I will stick with my assertion that it is a stroke with MANY more moving planes than Allison. I don't foresee dominance for her unless her obvious athletic ability can overcome a very complicated swing (that I agree is carried out with great smoothness and athleticism).
If she fails to dominate the tour this season I will definitely expect a free beverage upon our next meeting
ginsu said:
I played with her off and on when I was running the roads, and she swore she was an APA 5.
If she's a five, then the 7's must have been on the pro tour, because she was flat lethal on the table closest to the bar...
She hooked me up with some of the local gamblers, but she was still one of my favorite games to find.
Great safety player, and got out of traps like houdini...
I don't know how much Ace influenced her game when they met, I just know that she was strong enough to break the hearts of alot of the guys I took over there to learn some humility.
Is she still playing with that old Sailor?
Williebetmore said:
I disagree that her stroke will limit her improvement. Top players that have "classically sound" strokes are hugely in the minority! Look at how good Efren and Bustamante play. Do their strokes limit them? No way!
Even Buddy Hall's stroke had a "flaw". Often he would pull it inwards towards his body on the backstroke. But he never missed a ball! Efren can do things with the cueball that nobody else can, and he drops his elbow left and right. Again, there are very, very, few top pool players that have, what many pool instructors would call "fundamentally sound" strokes.
I think that the top players have gotta be doing something right with their strokes.
Jasmin has a powerful and fluid stroke. But she controls it, and she hits where she is aiming consistently. Thats all that matters.
cuetechasaurus said:
Tech-man,
I will agree that most top players do not have mechanically simple strokes; but only because such strokes have not been widely taught (hopefully this is a trend that is in the process of being curtailed). That is not the same as saying that all players with a complicated stroke become top players. In fact it is a hurdle to overcome. Players dedicated to the game WILL and CAN overcome it; but it is definitely an obstacle.
Jasmine's ball pocketing at the most recent event was definitely a step below the very top players - but that is just one event. I base my assessment on number of easy and medium balls missed - she missed a substantial number - the top players miss these almost never. Jasmine's consistency is very good, but seems a step below the top players.
In any case, perhaps I just saw her on a bad week - she definitely has improved since Peoria a couple of years ago.
I will say that if you have 2 players of equal dedication, the one with the simpler stroke has the advantage. As I said before, Yu Ram Cha has a tremendous stroke - a player to watch; and in my view more likely than Jasmine to rise to the top level.
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Williebetmore said:
You make a great point as usual, its hard to argue against that. This might surprise you because of my view, but I myself try to keep my stroke simple. I don't have one of those pump strokes like the typical young pool players.
I just feel that there is an element missing from "standard" pool fundamentals. There is something that Efren and Bustamante, etc. have in their strokes that they've got to be doing right. They can do things that other people can't with their strokes.
At the same time, a simple stroke is obviously easier to be consistent with.