mikepage said:
Last event thay got over 130
I beliee the table are opened up and NO GREEN FEES
Hopefully some montana peole will reply, and answer your and my questions.
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Montana People PLEASE SPLAIN
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Last event thay got over 130
I beliee the table are opened up and NO GREEN FEES
Hopefully some montana peole will reply, and answer your and my questions.
Goodness.CocoboloCowboy said:The Question has to do with Montana, not Arizona. I was hoping some Montana could tell how they do all there big adds in the Big Sky Country.
:slap: Confusedshus say...if the opposite is revealed then both sides are known. :slap:
When the people in Big Sky Country reply all questions will be answered.
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I don't think your question is so much about "How come Montana can have $5,000 added tournaments"...it's more like "How come IF Montana can have $5,000 added tournaments with their LOW population count compared to Arizona...and Arizona has shit for added tournaments"CocoboloCowboy said:
I don't believe you're going to get an answer to you question, because I don't believe there is an answer...other than the location we're talking about in Montana...is not owned by someone living in Arizona, and therefore they care more about the "POOL" in their area more than most other areas, and therefore...they put up what they "FEEL" like adding...to "THEIR" event.
Therefore...NO explanation is needed!
Glen
PS. Your question is no different than asking "How come Great Falls, MT with the low population living there...has Diamond bar tables, when Alexanders with all their Diamond bar tables and everything Ron did for the pool community in the Phoenix area...when OUT of business? The anwer is all AROUND you
realkingcobra said:I don't think your question is so much about "How come Montana can have $5,000 added tournaments"...it's more like "How come IF Montana can have $5,000 added tournaments with their LOW population count compared to Arizona...and Arizona has shit for added tournaments"
I don't believe you're going to get an answer to you question, because I don't believe there is an answer...other than the location we're talking about in Montana...is not owned by someone living in Arizona, and therefore they care more about the "POOL" in their area more than most other areas, and therefore...they put up what they "FEEL" like adding...to "THEIR" event.
Therefore...NO explanation is needed!
Glen
PS. Your question is no different than asking "How come Great Falls, MT with the low population living there...has Diamond bar tables, when Alexanders with all their Diamond bar tables and everything Ron did for the pool community in the Phoenix area...when OUT of business? The anwer is all AROUND you
Well your observation is 1/2 right, but the other thing is last year in LEWISTOWN , MT, (just to the west of Billings, and North of I-90, population 8,000 ish) they had the State Coin Operators Invitational, with a 25K Add. That money came from the people who own many of the Bar Tables, and Video Poker Etc. Machines in the Big Sky Country Rooms/Bars.
As Far as Arizona not really have much of big money adds the answer is simple. The Bar & Room Owners don?t go out into the community, and solicit prize money, or prizes. That is a very simple answer. Hell Budweisher Beer that is in every bar in AZ, don?t give back squat to Pool Players.
Also apparently the gentleman who own the 8 Ball Casino in Great Falls is very much behind Pool, and soon will have I understand ALL NEW Diamond Bar Boxes in his place.
Having had the opportunity to play in both Arizona, and also 3 or 4 places in Montana. I think Montana has many things going for it that will never happen in Arizona.
BTW Cobra as you travel all over this country doing tables what is your read on Montana, verses, Arizona besides the weather in winter?
I'm aware of John Barnes getting new Diamonds to replace the ones burn down in a fire I guess, so as soon as I get the word I'll probably be delivering them sometime after the delivery I'm on now, 2 weeks or so? I think the one thing you have to understand which separates Montana from Arizona as far as people go, is that Arizona is primarily a "retirement" state, and therefore that makes it a kicked back and do almost nothing state. But also keep in mind, I would also go so far as to say that most living in Arizona are transplants, as in not born and raised in Arizona, but have chosen to live out the remaining years of there lives there primarily because of the weather and cost of living, not because of the job opportunities:smile:CocoboloCowboy said:
Montana on the other hand, has a winter season that is harsh, which drives most indoors. The 2 most poplar things to do in Montana is fishing in the summer, and playing pool in the winter, with fishing being nbr one, but pool is a very close second. Unlike Arizona, most of the people living in Montana, were born and raised there, and will live their whole lives there.
Another thing about Montana is the liquor laws, there is a limit to how many bars there are that can sell hard liquor and how many that can sell bear/wine. Last time I checked it was $200,000 to get a license to sell beer/wine, and $500,000 to sell hard liquor. And even if you have the money to buy a hard liquor license, you have to go on a waiting list, because the state has a cap on how many locations there can be licensed in the state. Think about that for a second, if you owned a bar that went out of business....selling hard liquor...it's STILL worth about $500,000 just for your liquor license!!!...BECAUSE all lounges selling hard liquor are "Package Stores to GO" meaning they are also the "State Liquor Stores" as well as a restaurant/lounge.
Transalate that in to population vs locations to play pool = lots of players per table, unlike Arizona which has 3 times the amount of bars/pubs/lounges in Phoenix than the whole entire state of Montana which equals....not enough players to support the locations because they're so spread thin with the amount of places to play pool.
I hope this helps you understand the difference between the two states as far as playing pool goes:grin:
realkingcobra said:
That is a good point, but the retirees in Arizona, like in Florida make up maybe 15% of the population not a very large percent like most think, also maybe 40% of the retirees are Snow birds, living in the state 4-6 months when the snow is falling in their REAL HOME State. like Wisconsin, Minessota, Washington, Wyoming, Montana, Pennsylvania, Maine, Etc. Etc. Etc.
You are right about the Number of Bar in Arizona, Alexander was a good EXample, with the Dunes just acroos the drive way from it. Think a liguor license in AZ cost about 100-150K for Full LIQUOR!
Arizona being a RIGHT TO WORK STATE make wages suck for many JOBS. But Maricopa County was one of the fastest growing counties in the U.S., and it is not from RETIREES moving here.
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Well hopefully some Montana people will reply, or I will talk to a guy I know who use to be the Chief of Police out side bozeman about some of the thing cobra said. .
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Yeah...so what that the vending company adds $25K. How much coin drop do you suppose that the 300 players generate over that weekend...at $1 per game! The tables are NOT open for that tournament. I'm sure they don't make back the whole $25K, but they make back a lot. Add to that, that it's a tax writeoff for the vending company.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
CocoboloCowboy said:
Scott...in most bars in Montana, the pool tables are owned by the same vending companies who also happen own the slot machines:wink:Scott Lee said:
Glen
I fail to understand the question you're wanting an answer to...LOL...if it's how they add so much money....it's just what they're doing to promote the pool sceen there...that's all. Are you saying they shouldn't be adding that much, and you want to know why they are?CocoboloCowboy said:
Glen
realkingcobra said:
Dude, we might be hillbillies but you cannot go into a poolhall and just purchase a bear. You gotta know the right people
Not saying you are, if I were I'd be saying the same about my cousins living in Billings, and my first wife from Livingston...found her out grazing one day driving throughbigskyjake said:
just wondering why all the concern about why the added money is so high in Great Falls is all, who cares, it is what it is..:wink: Glen
Drew said:
Well I just got a reply to a call I made yesterday, and they do charge $.50/Game in GREAT FALLS.
Now I am not sure if realkingcobra has ever lived in Montana, or just drove through delivering table, etc. But I did live in Montana in the late 70's for a year, and called Butte U.S.A. home. Use to get off work at 7:00 am, and be Fly Fishing by 8:00 in some great blue ribbon streams.
Fishing, and Flyfishing are very big in Montana with all the blue ribbon streams all over the state like the Madison, Gallatin, Clark Fork, Big Hole, Beaverhard, etc., etc. etc. as the list is too long to list.
White Water Rafting is also big, but tourists outnumbers everything as having yellowstone on the southwest corner and glacier national park near canada around Kalispell. Also in the winter championship skiing for the rich at Big Sky bring in mega bucks as well as numerous other ski resorts throughout the state. Let's not forget snowmobiling some of the best in the country especially in and near yellowstone. Pool ranks a distance behind these.
I think the people in Montana seem to work together better, and don?t spend as much time working against each other.
But as realkingcobra pointed out you don?t have a Bar on ever other corner in Montana like we do in Arizona, and Liquor stores are run by the STATE. You want to buy a bottle of HARD LIQUOR in Montana you have two choices, find a Bar that sells it, or got to a State Operated liquor store.
In Arizona you can buy all liquor products in the grocery stores, most Walgreens, CVS?s, Super Wal-Marts, and of course private Liquor Stores.
Also I think in Montana many of the Pool tournaments get some of their add money from local business that benefit from the influx of Pool players to their town for a large event, beer distributors, and the owners of the coin op tables, & video games you find in most bar all who make many off the Pool Players, and realize it and give some $$ back.
wtf?! What is the problem? The people who can answer why AZ has what it has is the AZ folks!
YOu ask a question, then schitt on about some vaguely related matters, while answering your own friggin question! Why, oh why?
WHY MUST YOU INVOLVE US?
YOu ask a question, then schitt on about some vaguely related matters, while answering your own friggin question! Why, oh why?
WHY MUST YOU INVOLVE US?