Okay so I'm getting a mcdermott cue probably after Christmas, and I'm most likely going to get the tip upgraded to either a moori hard or kamui hard. Since they're the same price, I figured I'd find out which will hold up longer since I don't really want to have to fuss with tips myself very often, and I have no way to locally get tips changed. Are these pretty resistant to mushrooming and flattening? I just figured I'd ask around, since 20 bucks is a lot for a tip. The standard tip is an everest. Any opinions on that one? Thanks, mhodar13
Moori or Kamui?
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Moori tips aren't what they used to be & have become pretty inconsistent.
Kamui tips tend to run one grade harder than others, so... A Kamui hard would be approx the same as most other layered tips extra hard.
I use Everest tips. They are a medium hardness tip that hold thier shape, resist mushrooming, and offer real good ball contact. Many cuemakers are offering Everest tips as their standard. Everest would be my recommendation.
If you'll post a rough idea of your area, maybe you could get some help in locating a cue tech in your vicinity for the future.
Congrats on getting the McD you're wanting!
Kamui tips tend to run one grade harder than others, so... A Kamui hard would be approx the same as most other layered tips extra hard.
I use Everest tips. They are a medium hardness tip that hold thier shape, resist mushrooming, and offer real good ball contact. Many cuemakers are offering Everest tips as their standard. Everest would be my recommendation.
If you'll post a rough idea of your area, maybe you could get some help in locating a cue tech in your vicinity for the future.
Congrats on getting the McD you're wanting!
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Ok, I guess I'll try the Everest and if it holds up then great. I'm pretty sure I'll be using a cheap cue to break, so I shouldn't have a problem with mushrooming. Out of the 4 cues we got with the table (A brunswick, 1" slate = awesome), I only use the 18 oz. one. I believe all of the tips are lepros, and while I'm constantly needing to scuff them, I've only mushroomed it once so far, and I break with that cue (and I also have a very good break stroke, probably one of the best parts of my game so far). How hard are lepros compared to everests? Also, I am in the Medina, Ohio area. About 30-45 minutes south of Cleveland, so anyone in the cleveland area would be okay. Thanks, mhodar13
I love Kamui. If you could get a Kamui Black Medium, that would be the best of both worlds.
I can't imagine somebody stocking Kamui Blacks that doesn't stock the medium hardness.
I can't imagine somebody stocking Kamui Blacks that doesn't stock the medium hardness.
mhodar13, The final choice is of course up to you. I use Kamui Black Mediums on all my playing cues. Personally I can't say anything bad about these tips. I've been very happy with the way they grip the shooter and I almost never have to shape them. The reality of it though is, you made need to try a few different brands and hardness of tips, to really find one that fits your style of play and stroke the best. Shoot KOINNKID a PM if you are looking for a great price on any and all tips.
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the old morri's were hands down better but the quality has dropped a lot. if you're going to shell out some cash i'd buy a kamui. shoot KOINKID a pm. he gave me a good price on a couple of kamui's
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if you like hard tips go for the Moori Q, that is way better than the Kamui II H...
if you prefer a medium tip go for the Kamui Black M and you won't be disappointed
moreover i strongly reccomend you not to stick with the everest tip...i had an everest as standard tip on my 314-2 shaft...i swapped it after a week because it gave me no feedback at all and it doesn't hold chalk well...IMHO it's worst tip around...
p.s. What do you guys think about the Kamui Black H??...how does it play compared to a Moori Q or a Kamui II H??...isn't it too hard?
if you prefer a medium tip go for the Kamui Black M and you won't be disappointed
moreover i strongly reccomend you not to stick with the everest tip...i had an everest as standard tip on my 314-2 shaft...i swapped it after a week because it gave me no feedback at all and it doesn't hold chalk well...IMHO it's worst tip around...
p.s. What do you guys think about the Kamui Black H??...how does it play compared to a Moori Q or a Kamui II H??...isn't it too hard?
Moori III's are for me
I have a 314/2 on a Pechauer butt on my knock around / travel cue. I didn't like the standard Everest tip at all. And I could have predicted that I'd retip with a Moori III medium...which I did. But I decided to try a Kamuii black (med.) and while it was a bit harder than a MooriII medium, I just didn't like the almost "metallic" feel of the Kamuii that I installed just as an experiment. So I went back to my old reliable Moori III. To me Moori III's give me exactly the type of feel that I'm looking for. It's difficult to describe "hit" from tip to tip, but the muted yet solid feel I get from the Moori III medium tranjslates into the sound of the tip as well. Kamuii's just seem to "click" a little to much for me. I know that the sound of a tip translates into "feel" and the Moori III gives me a solid "thunk" of a well hit shot.
Having said that, I would still give the Everest a try. It is head and shoulders better than the LePros you have been playing. If you go with a Kamuii get one degree softer in hardness than any other tip you may have played. And I sure that the Everest , Kamuii or the Moori III will all have a very good rating for tip life and no real mushrooming to speak of. It all comes down to feel/hit/sound at the end of the day. The Moori III's characteristics give me exactly what I'm looking for, and I use a lot of English so my confidence in this tip is excellent, compared to the Everest or the Kamuii blacks. Both the Everest and Kamuii had the feel that some shots using a lot of English almost feel and sound like a miscue, which are very rare for me.
In closing, the Moori III's are very solid and hardly ever need to be scuffed. The only thing I do is aerate the tip a bit with a needle every once in a while. I can't really tell you much beyond what my experience is with the three different tips because neither the Everest or the Kamuii black were on my cue long enough to give you long-term feedback. But I can tell you that the Moori IIIs last and last...especially compared to a single layered LePro tip. I have read some posts on your thread that say Moori III's aren't as consistent from tip to tip, so maybe I've gotten lucky to have not been disappointed with any Moorri IIIs that I've purchased. I have also heard that Moori III "knock offs" are now hitting the web market place for prices well under what the Moori III's are going for. So buyer beware. Moori has addressed this problem with some type of factory packaging code for each individual tip.
I have a 314/2 on a Pechauer butt on my knock around / travel cue. I didn't like the standard Everest tip at all. And I could have predicted that I'd retip with a Moori III medium...which I did. But I decided to try a Kamuii black (med.) and while it was a bit harder than a MooriII medium, I just didn't like the almost "metallic" feel of the Kamuii that I installed just as an experiment. So I went back to my old reliable Moori III. To me Moori III's give me exactly the type of feel that I'm looking for. It's difficult to describe "hit" from tip to tip, but the muted yet solid feel I get from the Moori III medium tranjslates into the sound of the tip as well. Kamuii's just seem to "click" a little to much for me. I know that the sound of a tip translates into "feel" and the Moori III gives me a solid "thunk" of a well hit shot.
Having said that, I would still give the Everest a try. It is head and shoulders better than the LePros you have been playing. If you go with a Kamuii get one degree softer in hardness than any other tip you may have played. And I sure that the Everest , Kamuii or the Moori III will all have a very good rating for tip life and no real mushrooming to speak of. It all comes down to feel/hit/sound at the end of the day. The Moori III's characteristics give me exactly what I'm looking for, and I use a lot of English so my confidence in this tip is excellent, compared to the Everest or the Kamuii blacks. Both the Everest and Kamuii had the feel that some shots using a lot of English almost feel and sound like a miscue, which are very rare for me.
In closing, the Moori III's are very solid and hardly ever need to be scuffed. The only thing I do is aerate the tip a bit with a needle every once in a while. I can't really tell you much beyond what my experience is with the three different tips because neither the Everest or the Kamuii black were on my cue long enough to give you long-term feedback. But I can tell you that the Moori IIIs last and last...especially compared to a single layered LePro tip. I have read some posts on your thread that say Moori III's aren't as consistent from tip to tip, so maybe I've gotten lucky to have not been disappointed with any Moorri IIIs that I've purchased. I have also heard that Moori III "knock offs" are now hitting the web market place for prices well under what the Moori III's are going for. So buyer beware. Moori has addressed this problem with some type of factory packaging code for each individual tip.
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I searched on the internet & found 3 cuemakers (trust me there'll be lots more) in Ohio. Neighbors & Adamson post on AZ frequently in the Ask the Cuemaker section. You could contact one of them to ask about someone available closest to you.
Sherm Adamson - Sherm Cues - Cincinnati, OH 513-553-2172 www.shermcue.com
Richard Neighbors - R.H.N. Custom Cues - Cincinnati, OH 513-528-3500
Richard Harris - Blue Grass Cues - Hillsboro, OH 937-927-0025 www.poolcues.net
Don't be afraid to contact them, or post for info in the Cuemakers area, to find someone to change tips, etc, for you.
For anyone who didn't catch his 1st post... mhodar13 is a 15 yr old who has become enamored of playing pool, has a table at his home, and has found his way to AZ for info & support!
Sherm Adamson - Sherm Cues - Cincinnati, OH 513-553-2172 www.shermcue.com
Richard Neighbors - R.H.N. Custom Cues - Cincinnati, OH 513-528-3500
Richard Harris - Blue Grass Cues - Hillsboro, OH 937-927-0025 www.poolcues.net
Don't be afraid to contact them, or post for info in the Cuemakers area, to find someone to change tips, etc, for you.
For anyone who didn't catch his 1st post... mhodar13 is a 15 yr old who has become enamored of playing pool, has a table at his home, and has found his way to AZ for info & support!
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Ronnie,
I asked the same question a while back, and what I've heard, from people who have used the tip for almost a year now, is that the tip is a little harder than the Kamui Black Medium (my FAVORITE tip, too!), but still holds chalk well and grips the cb like the medium. While harder than the Brown Hard, the Black tips have a far better feel IMO.
I actually have a new cue coming and will be using the Black Hard on all shafts. The Medium is great in terms of feel and grip. If I could have it a little harder, for more speed control and longer life, then that's what I would like. It sounds like the Kamui Black Hard fits that bill, so that's what I went with.
Will it be better than the Kamui Black Medium? I don't know yet, but if it's not, I will switch back to the Black Mediums and probably never switch again!
Kamui
If these are your only two tips go with the Kamui. As previously stated Moori's are not what they used to be. I used them exclusively for a long time, then had nothing but miscue/mushroom issues with them and it was NOT my stroke. Since switching to a new tip miscues and mushrooming are no longer an issue..
Dan
If these are your only two tips go with the Kamui. As previously stated Moori's are not what they used to be. I used them exclusively for a long time, then had nothing but miscue/mushroom issues with them and it was NOT my stroke. Since switching to a new tip miscues and mushrooming are no longer an issue..
Dan
I like kamui medium and sniper,, ive yet to try a kamui black ,, Im unsure of kamui blacks becasue I read there prone to cracking..
Hi there,
PM me your address and I can tell you if there is an "Authorized Kamui Tip Installer" in your local area.
The reason why a Kamui tip does not have mushrooming issues is because the glue that puts the layers together has not soaked into the leather of the layers. When a layered tip has glue "IN" the leather... The leather will eventually hold it's mushroomed shape.:grin-square: