Moral dilemma. What would you do.
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crawfish said:
$5 per disc and he has just about everything (If it is the guy I know of). I worked with a guy who bought about 50 tapes from him at $4 per disc. He does publish a disclaimer (B.S.) that the discs are only to be purchased by owners of these who would like a back-up copy.
In defense of this, the guy I know who spent $200 for 50 tapes would never have spent $75 for the Action Challenge or $210 for the Color of Money match. The only way the billiard community would ever get $ out of the guy's pocket would be by the seller using that cash to purchase more tapes.
Is it foul, yes. Is beating someone half your skill for cash, yes. Face it, it's business (maybe bad business, but business)
iba7467 said:
business should have ethical standards, but true enough, some do not.
beating someone half your skill (or twice your skill for that matter) FOR CASH is also illegal in most places, but since gambling is rampant on this site, I guess I could see how some would buy stolen goods....
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The fact is that it will happen regardless... May even do more good than bad spreading good material, as was mentioned with music. The ONLY thing that would cause hesitation is that it is breaking the law...
trustyrusty said:
i think it's arguably admirable that some wouldn't, but not necessarily despicable that so many would. like i touched upon in my post, it's not a black and white issue are there are many factors to piracy.
seymore15074 said:
kinda like the teenagers parents that think their kids are gonna drink, do drugs, and have sex regardless, so might as well let them do it at home. I know, totally different topic, but the "it'll happen regardless" argument is laughable. If nobody would buy stolen goods,well, it wouldn't happen regardless. But using the justifacation that others will do it, makes it easier for me too is convenient.
It's as simple as this...Pat and his crew have put years of effort and sacrifice into building the Accu-stats library into what it is. They should be supported for what they have done, not picked apart by the vultures.
The peddler is sitting back & reaping the rewards for someone else's sacrifice.
Saying "It's gonna happen anyway so you might as well get in while the gettins good" is absurdly simple-minded. If you don't support Accu-stats, they will be forced to close up shop and where are you and your peddler then?
I have been approached (thru PM) by two posters on this forum wanting to sell Accu-stats bootlegs. I did not buy from either of them. One of the guys was a very prominent member here.
The peddler is sitting back & reaping the rewards for someone else's sacrifice.
Saying "It's gonna happen anyway so you might as well get in while the gettins good" is absurdly simple-minded. If you don't support Accu-stats, they will be forced to close up shop and where are you and your peddler then?
I have been approached (thru PM) by two posters on this forum wanting to sell Accu-stats bootlegs. I did not buy from either of them. One of the guys was a very prominent member here.
well said mosconiac, and BTW - I resemble that phrase under your name! LOL 
It almost sounds like
This is in response to the original post. Sounds like you
almost want to rat the guy out ? I was told by someone
with more wisdom than me "the best way to get rid of unwanted
behavior is to ignore it " . If you want to support accustats
then by the originals and keep your morals out of business it
will save you alot of crying in the future
A note on why people do what they do . I run a repair business
in a major city .I used to kinda get one my high horse about
people stealing ,and copying things like this and music .Well
one day I go on a service call and this guy has tons I mean
tons of videos and music that he is trying to swap me for
the cost of repairing his big ass tv .I kinda took offense and
told him I only traded cash for service .He then explains to me
it was either selling this stuff or drugs so he could afford to pay
the medical bills for his daughter who had cancer .His daughter
happend to be there in a bed with a nurse so I know he was for
real .I still only took cash for the repair...that's me .However
I understood why this man did what he did .I am not saying it's
right or co signing anything .People do what they do some times
for greed some times for need .Basically all I am saying is if you
don't want them to keep selling it just ignore it and do what you
think is right and keep your mind on your own moral issues .People
do what they have to do at times to survive and get by .I know it
does not make it right .You would think however that pool players
would understand ...sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do .
Just a few thoughts
This is in response to the original post. Sounds like you
almost want to rat the guy out ? I was told by someone
with more wisdom than me "the best way to get rid of unwanted
behavior is to ignore it " . If you want to support accustats
then by the originals and keep your morals out of business it
will save you alot of crying in the future
A note on why people do what they do . I run a repair business
in a major city .I used to kinda get one my high horse about
people stealing ,and copying things like this and music .Well
one day I go on a service call and this guy has tons I mean
tons of videos and music that he is trying to swap me for
the cost of repairing his big ass tv .I kinda took offense and
told him I only traded cash for service .He then explains to me
it was either selling this stuff or drugs so he could afford to pay
the medical bills for his daughter who had cancer .His daughter
happend to be there in a bed with a nurse so I know he was for
real .I still only took cash for the repair...that's me .However
I understood why this man did what he did .I am not saying it's
right or co signing anything .People do what they do some times
for greed some times for need .Basically all I am saying is if you
don't want them to keep selling it just ignore it and do what you
think is right and keep your mind on your own moral issues .People
do what they have to do at times to survive and get by .I know it
does not make it right .You would think however that pool players
would understand ...sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do .
Just a few thoughts
I'm On The Fence But, I'm LEANING
Hmmmmm, I'm withholding my decision until I hear what Short Bus Russ has to say... imo
Doug
( THEN I'll vote )
Hmmmmm, I'm withholding my decision until I hear what Short Bus Russ has to say... imo
Doug
( THEN I'll vote )
I don't know, but I think charging 29 bucks for a dvd or vhs is immoral
trustyrusty said:
I actually think that betting on a skill with one other person is not illegal most places. I may be wrong, but I think most betting becomes illegal when there are sides bets or a rake is taking from a poker game. I know the laws are different everywhere, but i do think betting on yourself if not illegal.
I feel that the right thing to do would support Pat and Accu-stats for what they have done for pool. However, I believe that many people are lying to themselves saying that they would never think about obtaining a non original copy. I know that some would not think twice about it, but I think others would contemplate buying a $5 copy rather them a $30 original.
This speaks volumes as to your character. I truly hope you were joking.seymore15074 said:How can you not contemplate it?
-td
Just for the record you are NOT SUPPOSED TO lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc. Illegality nothwithstanding, these are things (for lack of a better saying) that "your momma should have taught you."
td873 said:
Ah yes, let be known that I do not get my morals from the Bible, and that I let nothing go unquestioned (or not comtemplated in this case).
Surely I am a mad man.
Ok here's another thought
A guy buys a $5 copy or 12 $5 copies .The guy selling them goes
to the local tourney and uses that money to enter .He goes 2 and
out .The winner of the tourney then takes that same money from
the pot and buys 2 $30 copies .It all works out lol
Just messing around guys .I am sure though that some good
moral , honest people have bought a $5 copy of something at
one time or the other
A guy buys a $5 copy or 12 $5 copies .The guy selling them goes
to the local tourney and uses that money to enter .He goes 2 and
out .The winner of the tourney then takes that same money from
the pot and buys 2 $30 copies .It all works out lol
Just messing around guys .I am sure though that some good
moral , honest people have bought a $5 copy of something at
one time or the other
Neil said:It all boils down to - how much are you willing to sell your 'character' for?? For some, it seems to have no value whatsoever in this day and age. Real sad.
I think that most would not be thinking about their 'character' when they buy a DVD copy for $5 instead of $30. They are just thinking about the money they saved.
It seems that when people buy copied movies or cds, they figure that the movie companies and record labels are already rich. It may not sound logical too some, but I have actually heard people say this. This seems to be the way that they reason there actions. It seems that many would rather buy a cd if they had a choice, because the artist may also be losing out on money. Pat and Accu-stats are not rich and every copied DVD hurts them. If copied pool DVD's became the norm, then all of us in the pool world, would probably see the damage first hand.
Apparently, you don't get your morals anywhere. Moreover, nobody said anything about the bible.seymore15074 said:Ah yes, let be known that I do not get my morals from the Bible, and that I let nothing go unquestioned (or not comtemplated in this case).
Surely I am a mad man.
To sum it up: Dude, you are 27, you shouldn't be stealing anymore. AND you are a software engineer - shouldn't you AT LEAST appreciate the IP of others since it is related to what you do for a living. I mean, come on, when is it time to grow up? If not 27, the 37? What 47? Are you going to be shoplifting when you are 65?
It is just as useless to contemplate purchasing stolen goods as it is to contemplate whether you should kill another human being. Or do you question that as well?
Geesh.
-td
Matt90 said:I am sure though that some good
moral , honest people have bought a $5 copy of something at
one time or the other
You are wrong! They would never think about such a thing. Just like they would never speed, fib on their taxes, or curse and swear about the high gas prices!
