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Grady

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I’d like to thank the posters who remembered and appreciated the play of Johnny Drane.
Somebody made note of Weldon’s one handed talents, which reminds me of an interesting match. Weldon and I were in Denver where we had both bested a young Danny Medina on the bar table in a tough Mexican joint. Eddie “The Hat” Burton had insinuated himself into our company, not something we really wanted, so Danny got all his money back playing Eddie even up bar pool.
After some good natured matching up, Danny spotted Weldon the five and the break with Weldon having to shoot one handed. It was no contest. It actually looked almost as if Junior played as good as Danny. This isn’t meant to denigrate Danny’s game. He was very young and within a couple of years he played about as good a game of 9 Ball as anybody.
Dennis Porterfield, from a well to do family in Albuquerque, was good and tight with Weldon and me and oftentimes would accompany us on our expeditions. He’s a sharp guy who moves real well although his pool game was suspect. Dennis was the most straight guy I ever knew then, the most unlikely individual to ever drink, smoke, or take drugs. Then I found out that he found his way to Seattle where he had married a wonderful woman who took real good care of him and he’d quit the bad habits entirely. He still loved pool and it happened that he was getting some decent action in a local bar, but Dennis’ game had not improved. After about a three month period he found himself $10,000 loser. He discovered that I was going to be in town for an exhibition. He got my phone number, called me, and arranged for me to come out a couple of days early. “I don’t care about the money, Grady” he said, “I just want to see this guy beat. He’s really a creep”.
I do a really first rate job of “lemoning” this guy and after a couple of nights, I’m $4,000 winner. He doesn’t know that Dennis has anything to do with this play but he’s suspicious, even though I really laid it down good. When he had Dennis $10,000 stuck, everything was hunky dory, peaches and cream, laughs and giggles, etc. He didn’t like being stuck one little bit. His recourse was to contact the bunco squad. Like Dennis said, a real creep.
I made reference in my last post to a near being tarred and feathered incident. This took place in Lamar, Colorado, home of a man-made lake in Two Buttes reservation. I got slapped one night for telling a young lady that she had two beauts. We found a tavern in Lamar where the activity seemed lively and the place had a pool table and a bowling machine. After introducing ourselves, Dennis, Weldon, and I began trying to drum up some action. The owner of the place was present and he said “I’ll play any of you on this bowling machine”. We responded by offering him a pool game. He declined that offer and it looked like nothing was going to happen. Dennis called us off to the side and said “I can bowl pretty good on that machine. Why don’t we have either one of you guys play him 8 Ball while I bowl against him? I’ll win at least one game out of five on the machine, and you’ll have to hold him scoreless at pool”. So, that’s what we did and after we were about $500 winner, the owner said to the tough looking crowd in attendance “Didn’t we say we were going to tar and feather the next pool hustlers that came through town?” Another of Dennis’ talents emerged and he talked our way out of there, with the losers liking us and with us keeping the money.
One time in Cochrun’s, Weldon had come all the way to the west coast mostly to spend some time with me. As we were sitting at the counter, somebody eased up and snuck Weldon’s Balabushka out from between his legs. That really broke my heart, and his, because that was a much prized cue.
All this talking about my old friend has made me miss him more than usual but my old numbers for him are no longer good. If anybody has a good phone number for him please pass it on to me at grady101@sc.rr.com.
 
Grady said:
...and after we were about $500 winner, the owner said to the tough looking crowd in attendance “Didn’t we say we were going to tar and feather the next pool hustlers that came through town?” Another of Dennis’ talents emerged and he talked our way out of there, with the losers liking us and with us keeping the money.

Grady,
One more great example of why we will catch more flies with honey than vinegar (or perhaps escape more flies would be more apt).

Who would you say was the best one-handed (jacked-up, no resting on the rail permitted) player you have ever seen? I'm only talking about skill level (it is the nature of 9-ball to not infrequently reward the player with lesser ability - you may have noticed:) :) ).

I've seen a one-handed player who was able to take ball-in-hand in the kitchen, and make a spot shot drawing the cueball to the side rail and then back PAST the side pocket - he said it was a 1 in 10 or 20 proposition; but dang I can't even do it with 2 hands.
 
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Ronnie could beat A players at One Pocket or golf on the snooker table, playing One Handed. He did use the rail, though. Not using the rail, I don't think I'm qualified to say who is or was the best. I never was around the finest onehanded players except Miami and Bucktooth and they, as they say, wouldn't bet fat meat's greasy!!
Goosetay ( I'm sure to be butchering the spelling), I always heard, was maybe the best onehanded player. Sorry, Don that I can't be more help.
 
Grady said:
Ronnie could beat A players at One Pocket or golf on the snooker table, playing One Handed. He did use the rail, though. Not using the rail, I don't think I'm qualified to say who is or was the best. I never was around the finest onehanded players except Miami and Bucktooth and they, as they say, wouldn't bet fat meat's greasy!!
Goosetay ( I'm sure to be butchering the spelling), I always heard, was maybe the best onehanded player. Sorry, Don that I can't be more help.

Grady,
No apologies necessary. I always defer to the opinions of experts; and properly qualifying their opinion (or withholding it entirely) as you have is ALWAYS the sign of a true expert.

P.S. - In the medical field we poke fun at surgeons and radiologists - the surgeons are "often wrong, but never in doubt", the radiologists are "often in doubt, but never wrong." I strive for a happy medium, though our forum tends to lean heavily towards the former.
 
Agusatate

Grady, I think that is how he spelled his name. If not, I know it's close. When I was around him at the Congress Bowl, little Miami, who was the best I ever seen, himself said he couldnt beat Agusatate. However, at the North Shore Billiard Club (my joint), Artie Bodendorfer robbed Agusatate playing 1handed 1pkt. In truth, I never seen him get beat playing 1 handed. He killed Mike Massey many times playing 1hnded 8 ball. I probably never realized until now, how good Artie played 1 handed because at that time we were rivals, and I was usually pulling against him.

the Beard
 
Grady and Freddie: How would you rate Toby Flaherty's one handed game compared to the folks you mentioned?

I saw Toby play some $500 a game one hole playing one handed and wow was I impressed at how well he executed one handed.
 
The medical anology was great, Don. Thanks. In pool, I've had to bite my tongue to keep from exposing some so called billiard experts. I've decided to mellow out and enjoy my dotage as much as possible without controversy.
See, that's just what I was talking about. I never saw Artie play one handed but if Freddie says it was so, I believe him. There is a huge difference between playing One Pocket and playing 9 Ball one handed. Ronnie could give guys 10 to 7 at one handed One Pocket and not be able to beat them even at one handed 9 Ball. I'm not so sure that any of these modern one handed players could have beat Ronnie at his best one handed One Pocket. He beat Harry "The Horse" McConnell, Calhoun, and San Diego Dave and those guys were pretty good players.
Toby Flaherty beat Bucktooth playing $2,000 a game one handed One Pocket and my and Richie's 1993 Super Tournament in Reno. Of course in my view you cannot count accomplishments by a guy like Toby because he is a pocket billiard thief and never loses.
 
Grady said:
I never was around the finest onehanded players except Miami and Bucktooth and they, as they say, wouldn't bet fat meat's greasy!!
Goosetay ( I'm sure to be butchering the spelling), I always heard, was maybe the best onehanded player. Sorry, Don that I can't be more help.

LOL LOL, anyway, the guy Miami learned from is Montalvo aka "Gocate" (goosuhtay).

P.S. Miami said fat meat is lean and nobody beat him playing one-handed.
 
pardon my ignorance, but when you play 1 handed, can you use the bridge?

I played a set of 9 ball against an ok player, and I used the bridge every shot. I was pretty good with it from playing snooker. I also had to keep 1 hand in my back pocket. He thought I would foul alot not getting the bridge out of the way in time. I lucked out and won, but it was ALOT harder than I thought......but it was fun barking up the game...

Gerry
 
Gerry said:
pardon my ignorance, but when you play 1 handed, can you use the bridge?

I played a set of 9 ball against an ok player, and I used the bridge every shot. I was pretty good with it from playing snooker. I also had to keep 1 hand in my back pocket. He thought I would foul alot not getting the bridge out of the way in time. I lucked out and won, but it was ALOT harder than I thought......but it was fun barking up the game...

Gerry

No! And Ronny Allen was the best one handed player I have ever seen. Perhaps others have seen some great players play one handed.

Mike
 
Gerry said:
pardon my ignorance, but when you play 1 handed, can you use the bridge?

Gerry

Gerry,
It can be done however you want. The usual options are either permitting use of the rails to rest the cue on, or making the player hold the cue in the air, never letting the shaft touch ANYTHING (ie. "jacked up"). "Jacked up" is a more difficult proposition than allowing the cue to rest on the rail; makes breaking, side English, and draw shots significantly difficult. I have never seen a mechanical bridge allowed.

If resting on the rails is allowed, you try to leave the cue ball towards the center of the table to make it tougher for your one-handed opponent. If the opponent has to play jacked up, strategy probably doesn't matter (since he's a Hungarian cinch to beat you if he agrees to play this way; at least that's my experience:) ).
 
To the best of my knowledge, no one had a chance with Ronnie playing one handed One Pocket and he could definitely play "up in the air". I wonder Freddie did Artie ever play Ronnie jacked up? I never heard Ronnie say anything about playing him.

Every one used to talk about Gusatee, all the time. I never saw him play tho. Little Miami hustled me in Danny Jone's poolroom in Columbus, Ohio in about 1965 or 6. We played One Pocket, his one hand to my two, for 20 a game. After 3 or 4 games I hit the rail, a little smarter and a lot broker. Several years later, I saw him again in Dayton and reminded him about that
game. He acted like he didn't remember me. I played many speeds better by then. I tried to get him to play and I would give him a ball. Nothin' doin'.

Hey Freddie, what about Mexican Sergio? Isn't he living in Chicago? I never saw anyone that could beat him playing 9-Ball one handed.
Sergio Vargas was his name. Isn't he still around? He beat Ronnie in Anaheim playing 9-Ball one handed (in the air) in about 1987-8. He wouldn't play Ronnie One Pocket that way tho.
 
I got to see Bucktooth play one-handed and I was pretty impressed. I had also seen the Monk (Warren Costanza) play 1h one-handed before and I think Tooth was better. The Tooth could shoot shots pretty well off the rail and the Monk very seldom shot off the rail. I have to qualify this by adding that I never saw the Tooth playing big money matches one-handed and I think the Monk was playing for at least $$ a game or so.
 
Ronnie Allen
Miami
George BreedLove
Mike Maasey
All the above guys are well known for their skill with one hand

But there is little known guy by name BUBBA EUBANKS from Agusta,Ga who can play very fancy with one hand jacked up.
 
Somebody that no one mentioned is Luis Viera from Orlando. He plays unbelievable 1 duke jacked up. Buddy Hall says he is the best he has ever seen one handed. I have seen him run racks! I have also seen him fire balls in and draw back the length of the table. Really impressive.
 
thebighurt said:
Somebody that no one mentioned is Luis Viera from Orlando. He plays unbelievable 1 duke jacked up. Buddy Hall says he is the best he has ever seen one handed. I have seen him run racks! I have also seen him fire balls in and draw back the length of the table. Really impressive.

There are alot of great jacked-up one handed players that can do that. A friend of mine who has been around pool for a long time (and plays pretty sporty too) told me about a guy in Mexico that beats shortstops playing one-handed jacked up, the shortstops playing with both hands. He told me that if he played one handed, but resting the cue on the rail when possible, he played pretty close to the pro level. At first I found that hard to believe, but after witnessing a few different players string racks together one handed jacked-up, that definately is possible.
 
Ronnie and Artie

jay helfert said:
To the best of my knowledge, no one had a chance with Ronnie playing one handed One Pocket and he could definitely play "up in the air". I wonder Freddie did Artie ever play Ronnie jacked up? I never heard Ronnie say anything about playing him.

Every one used to talk about Gusatee, all the time. I never saw him play tho. Little Miami hustled me in Danny Jone's poolroom in Columbus, Ohio in about 1965 or 6. We played One Pocket, his one hand to my two, for 20 a game. After 3 or 4 games I hit the rail, a little smarter and a lot broker. Several years later, I saw him again in Dayton and reminded him about that
game. He acted like he didn't remember me. I played many speeds better by then. I tried to get him to play and I would give him a ball. Nothin' doin'.

Hey Freddie, what about Mexican Sergio? Isn't he living in Chicago? I never saw anyone that could beat him playing 9-Ball one handed.
Sergio Vargas was his name. Isn't he still around? He beat Ronnie in Anaheim playing 9-Ball one handed (in the air) in about 1987-8. He wouldn't play Ronnie One Pocket that way tho.

Artie and Ronnie never played anything. Once however, Lennie Moore asked Artie to toss to Ronnie. Artie said no thanks. Artie beat Sergio playing 1 handed 8 ball. The funny thing, while all this was going on in my joint, I hardly ever bet on all the games Artie was winning. At the time I was involved with a gorgeous teenager and had my head stuffed in a freebase pipe up in my office. Even though I could have won a lot of money, I still aint quite sure if I went down the wrong path or not. I sure did have fun. Artie never had fun, beating people was just like a job.

the Beard
 
A friend from California turned into a one handed prodigy.

He beat Massey. Massey said the guy was a true talent at one hand pool. I've seen him almost run two full racks of nine ball one handed. Others have said he's done three, but I wasn't there when he did. He can draw the ball most of a table length and he doesn't need to use the rail.

They put a bumper pool table in at the pool hall for a while and he ended up playing people 20 dollar games of bumper pool one handed and he'd do jump shots over the bumpers.

I like the guy- he's actually a very nice guy- but I REALLY don't need to see one handers playing as good or better than me.
 
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