BazookaJoe said:I take offense to Marissa's use of the words fat and jolly.
We prefer to be known as "happy people of exceptional proportion."
corvette1340 said:Here is one for JAM.....
Keith sure looks a lot like this fellow....
Your so right WillieWilliebetmore said:'Vette -man,
I certainly took it as such, and surely most of the forum did as well. I see absolutely no relationship between your post and any political statement on Ralf, Nazi's, the Holocaust, Judaism, or Republicans (and yes, I read the whole thread - I just don't see any logical relationship - I could be wrong, or so my wife has often told me). I thought it was funny.
I am offended that the holidays at this time of year (Christmas, Channukah, and Kwanzaa) that are celebrated have usurped the true meaning of the celebration of the season and its importance. And I ain't talking about no birth in no manger. That was in spring, possibly on my birthday.Sweet Marissa said:Actually, the fat and jolly Santa as we see him today, was created by Haddon Sundblom at Coca-Cola in the early 1930s to sell their product.
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Cornerman said:I am offended that the holidays at this time of year (Christmas, Channukah, and Kwanzaa) that are celebrated have usurped the true meaning of the celebration of the season and its importance. And I ain't talking about no birth in no manger. That was in spring, possibly on my birthday.
Fred <~~~ knows the true meaning of the celebration at this time of year.
BazookaJoe said:Yes, of course Fred.
They have all forgotten the importance of Saturnalia!
Cornerman said:And that was just the Romans. So many other countries and cultures figured out the importance all on their own and independently celebrated it.
The term "Yuletide," such a Christmas saying is a carryover for the festival of Jul or Joul, the festival for the sun.
Fred <~~~ getting warmer
Cornerman said:And that was just the Romans. So many other countries and cultures figured out the importance all on their own and independently celebrated it.
The term "Yuletide," such a Christmas saying is a carryover for the festival of Jul or Joul, the festival for the sun.
Fred <~~~ getting warmer
{sigh}Cornerman said:And that was just the Romans. So many other countries and cultures figured out the importance all on their own and independently celebrated it.
The term "Yuletide," such a Christmas saying is a carryover for the festival of Jul or Joul, the festival for the sun.
Fred <~~~ getting warmer
I'm sure the Southern Hemisphere did the same thing, just opposite.Andrew Manning said:Fred, I see what you're getting at and I don't like it one bit. It's very Northern-hemisphere-centric.
-Andrew
Words of wisdom!VIProfessor said:This thread illustrates the tensions that pervade American society. While I don't think that any of the posters were trying to deliberately offend, one would hope that people would understand that a person whose entire family has died from snakebite would be extremely sensitive when snakes are brought into conversation!
I lived in on the U.S. mainland for a number of years, and in that time I had the opportunity to interact with countless people in countless situations. Of all the places that I've spent time in, the poolrooms of America have consistently been the most color blind and egalitarian places that I've seen. At the same time, I've had to deal with a situation or two. One time, after lightening the pockets of one of my pool "clients" (and after a few beers), the client said to me, "Rudy, you're a black sonovab___, but you sure can play some pool." I paused for a second to come up with an appropriate response and replied, with a smile on my face, "Henry, you're a white sonovab_____ and you can't play for sh__." After he and his boys spent a shocked five seconds (by the way, I was the only African-American in the pool room), Henry gave me a long look and said, "You know what Rudy, you're alright!", and we remained friends for years. Obviously, I could have responded to this in less courageous or intelligent ways by punking out on one hand, or by starting a truly nasty confrontation on the other.
The point is twofold: First, we've all got to exercise greater sensitivity as to how the things we say may affect other people. At the same time (and these comments are specifically addressed to Jude), those of us who descend from historically oppressed people have got to realize that many people say and do certain things not out of conscious malice, but because of ignorance and the unconsciously engrained habits and attitudes that are the unfortunate legacy of our collective history. If we can't develop a thick skin in the face of such behavior, it is our psyche that suffers. We must stand up for ourselves and our people, but we also have a responsibility to be part of the process of healing.
Don't go, Jude. You have much to offer and much to gain from our collective interaction, and I would hate to see that end over an unfortunate comment. Call people out. Educate them. But don't just withdraw--when that happens we all lose!
catscradle said:Well, I don't know about specifically Heimler, but from the very first time I ever saw Ralf I immediately thought SS officer.