Mosconi Cup Day 4 (Final Day)
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Yeah I’ve thought about asking matchroom to make it a different European country each year, instead of the whole of Europe to choose from. It would definitely even things out lol.
Or maybe Europe just throws out their medium speed players instead of the best
David Alcaide - we must ban him from the cup lol. I love watching the guy play except he’s always on the opposite team that I’m rooting for. He is rock solid every single time out, one of the best MC cup players.
Albin as well. I’m usually on edge if either of those two are at the table during this shindig.
What jumped out was the writing on the wall that Alex Lely will be replaced as captain by Karl Boyes in 2022.
Emily said she is "worried" that Lely is doing such a great job. And Lely looked like he was pleading for 3rd year (a 3 year stint) while Emily grinned . Then Emily asked Lely about Boyes as vice-captain and Boyes was quiet throughout. Already there was chatter in commentary box about Boyes as future captain. Boyes has been loyal 4 to 5 years part of Matchroom team last 2 years as vice captain so there may be back room deal to move him up to top job. This was similar to Johan who was dropped after 2 consecutive wins in charge of USA and replaced by vice captain JJ.
So it is reverse of Peter Principle- if you perform and do great job, they fire you
Of cos, this is all speculation. We will know when they announce the captains early next year.Yes I never liked that either. Reminds me of the women’s softball they show on ESPN where they celebrate at the end of every inning like they have just won the game. It’s always bothered me with soccer players and hockey players as well, although goals in those games are relatively rare which is why I guess they are so celebrated.
Here are the 14 US players in the top 100 in the world. Two or three of them won't/can't play in the Cup.
1 Shane Van Boening USA 830
23 Sky Woodward USA 802
27 Mike Dechaine USA 802
34 Justin Bergman USA 795
67 Oscar Dominguez USA 779
68 Corey Deuel USA 778
71 Rodney Morris USA 777
74 Earl Strickland USA 775
78 Billy Thorpe USA 773
80 Joven Bustamante USA 772
81 Jonathan Pinegar USA 772
83 Josh Roberts USA 771
85 Johnny Archer USA 769
100 Jeremy Seaman USA 764
And here are the 58 European players in the top 100 (unless my delete key slipped). Bulgaria?!?
2 Joshua Filler GER 829
3 Jayson Shaw GBR 823
5 Fedor Gorst RUS 821
8 Francisco Sanchez Ruiz ESP 821
10 Eklent Kaci ALB 819
13 Albin Ouschan AUT 816
16 Niels Feijen NED 810
18 Wojciech Szewczyk POL 807
19 Alex Kazakis GRE 805
21 Wiktor Zielinski POL 804
24 Mario He AUT 802
25 Mark Gray GBR 802
26 David Alcaide ESP 802
29 Maximilian Lechner AUT 798
37 Ruslan Chinakhov RUS 794
38 Sanjin Pehlivanovic BIH 793
40 Denis Grabe EST 791
41 Ralf Souquet GER 791
42 Nick VanDenBerg NED 791
45 Mieszko Fortunski POL 789
47 Marco Teutscher NED 787
48 Olivér Szolnoki HUN 787
49 Thorsten Hohmann GER 787
50 Mika Immonen FIN 786
51 Nick Ekonomopoulos GRE 785
52 Mateusz Sniegocki POL 785
53 Chris Melling GBR 785
54 Daniel Maciol POL 785
55 Imran Majid GBR 784
56 Karol Skowerski POL 783
57 Konrad Juszczyszyn POL 783
58 Darren Appleton GBR 783
59 Kim Laaksonen FIN 783
61 Tomasz Kaplan POL 781
62 Konstantin Stepanov RUS 780
63 Aleksa Pecelj SRB 780
64 Stefan Nolle GER 780
65 Ronald Regli SUI 780
69 Francisco Diaz-Pizarro ESP 777
70 Vilmos Foldes HUN 777
72 Petri Makkonen FIN 775
73 Radoslaw Babica POL 775
76 Ivar Saris NED 773
77 Pijus Labutis LIT 773
79 Dimitri Jungo SUI 773
82 Casper Matikainen FIN 772
86 Philipp Stojanovic CRO 768
88 Zoran Svilar SRB 768
89 Tobias Bongers GER 768
91 Thomas Luttich GER 768
92 Marc Bijsterbosch NED 767
93 Fabio Rizzi FRA 767
94 Nick Malai GRE 766
95 Moritz Neuhausen GER 765
96 Roman Hybler CZE 764
97 Phil Burford GBR 764
98 Bahram Lotfy DEN 764
99 Georgie Georgiev BGR 764
Looking at those Fargo ratings, it's not even close: The Philippines have eleven players with a 790 or better Fargo rating: Orcullo, Biado, Corteza, Chua, Aransa, Ignacio, Garcia, de Luna, Bustamante, Gomez, and Kiamco.
After that, Taipei and the US have four each, but the quality of the Taiwanese (Pin Yi Ko 821, Jun Lin Chang 821, Ping Chung Ko 816, Kun Lin Wu 795) is much higher than ours (SVB 830, Sky 802, Dechaine 802, Bergman 795). And those numbers don't even reflect the level of competition that the non-US players are up against on a regular basis, or that Dechaine and Bergman seem to be in semi-retirement.
If the US ever wants to become competitive once again, it's going to have to figure out a way to get more of its top players playing in more international tournaments that aren't stateside based. And maybe not be spending so much time on those toy tables known as Bar Boxes.
5 poles above 785 and that's excluding konrad, skowerski..
i mentioned china and taiwan as well, they don't show up on fargo right now because of travel restrictions, but i have no doubt both of them could field a team capable of beating the US and giving the euros a run for their money too. jmho
I agree on the barbox deal but the problem is these guys have to eat and there are far more good paying bb events than on the big table. Bergman is still playing a lot in St.Louis. He just hasn't traveled much at all since covid started. I think MD has been playing a little more lately buts its really just part-time money for him.
I think that if the level of play in the US is going to improve, the effort has to be much more grass roots. You need to bring more kids into the game and not wait until they are old enough to play in bars.
We had a national tour in the US this past year. The results are interesting:
Predator Pro Billiard Series - Home - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The A to Z of Pool and Billiards Online
Shaw i think
Thx! I really thought it would be Alcaide this year. He contributed some very important points, brought a lot of good spirit to the team and was a great sportsman in the end of his game with JJ.
I say we make Taiwan a state.
Better act fast. Its gonna be part of China pretty soon.
Taiwan and whose army?
I’ll leave it at that, so as to not make the thread into something that may be construed as political.
I wish they would let Taiwan participate in a Mosconi Cup-type event against the USA.
In order to qualify to be on the USA Mosconi TeamI think that if the level of play in the US is going to improve, the effort has to be much more grass roots. You need to bring more kids into the game and not wait until they are old enough to play in bars.
We had a national tour in the US this past year. The results are interesting:
Predator Pro Billiard Series - Home - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The A to Z of Pool and Billiards Onlinewww.azbilliards.com
1. Whatever the current player choosing rules/criteria are in place.
2. Every candidate must have a Minimum 3 Students 7yrs-18yrs old. Verified with documented results.
Maybe the onus should be put on those who would most benefit from a resurgence of cue sports in the US -- the various billiard companies.
The other problem is that for the majority of top players, teaching juniors would be an entirely new skill.