Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2016 Teams

[barrymuch90]

Here's a little Mosconi Cup history that might be of interest.

First 12 years (1994 through 2005)

• Cups won -- 10-2 USA
  Matches won -- 151-111 USA (+ 40 matches, 57.6% winning percentage)
  Games won -- 1,291-1,184 USA (+107 games, 52.2%)

Last 10 years (2006 through 2015)

• Cups -- 8-1 Europe plus one tie
  Matches -- 107-74 Europe (+ 33 matches, 59.1%)
  Games -- 840-708 Europe (+132 games, 54.3%)

All 22 years

• Cups -- 11-10 USA plus one tie
  Matches -- 225-218 USA (+7 matches, 50.8%)
  Games -- 2,024-1,999 Europe (+25 games, 50.3%)

Observations:
• Never has a team won the Cup without winning the most games.
• The difference in games won by each team was 3 or less 4 times, resulting in 2 Cup wins for Team USA, 1 for Team Europe, and 1 tie.
• The most games played was 389 in 1995 (Team Europe won the Cup 16-15); the fewest games played was 92 in 2001 (Team USA won the Cup 12-1).
• The average number of games played for the first 5 years of the event was 299 per year. The average for the most recent 5 years was less than half of that -- 140 per year.
• The average margin of victory is 4.8 matches for Team USA in their 11 wins and 4.1 matches for Team Europe in their 10 wins.



[Bases on annual info on Wikipedia and Matchroom Sport websites]

I'm sure the fact the two countries have almost leveled off into a complete tie adds to the popularity. In other words over 25 years had the record been 21 wins to 4 wins the hype would be wayyyy down. Not to mention even tho one team looks way better on paper no one can realistically pick the winner with any certainty. For example the last time US won the European team had like 5 world champions and the reigning us open 9 ball world 9 ball and 10 ball champs on the team lol. Idk how accurate that is but Europe "should" of won and we all know what happened. I honestly think the odds ar like 53-47 In Europes favor and the consistant theme of it being almost a 50/50 coin flip adds to the excitement

 

[AtLarge]

Last month, prior to this year's event, I posted (post #1 in this thread) the career Mosconi Cup records of this year's 10 players. Here's the update adding in the 2016 results.

For the following records, I counted a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches). So these numbers essentially answer the question: "In how many winning and losing matches was each player involved?"

Team USA

• • Shane Van Boening (10 years -- 2007-2016) ..... 10-15 singles, 11-14 doubles, 4-6 teams, 25-35 total (winning percentage of 42%)
  
  • Rodney Morris (10 years -- 2003-2008, 2010-2011, 2013, 2016) ..... 10-8 singles, 12-17 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 3-5 teams, 27-30 total (47%)
  
  • Mike Dechaine (4 years -- 2011-2012, 2015-2016) ..... 1-6 singles, 2-8 doubles, 2-2 teams, 5-16 total (24%)
  
  • Justin Bergman (3 years -- 2014-2016) ..... 1-5 singles, 4-3 doubles, 1-2 teams, 6-10 total (38%)
  
  • Skyler Woodward (2 years -- 2015-2016) ..... 0-3 singles, 3-3 doubles, 1-1 teams, 4-7 total (36%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 22-37 singles, 32-45 doubles, 2-0 trebles, 11-16 teams, 67-98 total (41%)

Team Europe

• • Niels Feijen (12 years -- 2001, 2004-2005, 2007-2009, 2011-2016) ..... 12-8 singles, 24-9 doubles, 5-4 teams, 41-21 total (66%)
  
  • Darren Appleton (8 years -- 2009-2016) ..... 10-4 singles, 10-15 doubles, 5-3 teams, 25-22 total (53%)
  
  • Mark Gray (3 years -- 2008, 2014, 2016) ..... 1-1 singles, 4-5 doubles, 3-0 teams, 8-6 total (57%)
  
  • Albin Ouschan (2 years -- 2015-2016) ..... 3-0 singles, 5-1 doubles, 1-1 teams, 9-2 total (82%)
  
  • Jayson Shaw (1 year -- 2016) ..... 1-1 singles, 1-1 doubles, 1-0 teams, 3-2 total (60%)
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 27-14 singles, 44-31 doubles, 15-8 teams, 86-53 total (62%)

Another way of looking at the records is to count a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, a half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles (played only in 2006) win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss. So the following numbers essentially answer the question: "What numerical contribution has each player made to the overall Mosconi Cup match scores?"

Team USA

• • Van Boening ..... 16.3 - 23.2 (winning percentage 41%)
  • Morris ..... 17.2 - 17.5 (50%)
  • Dechaine ..... 2.4 - 10.4 (19%)
  • Bergman ..... 3.2 - 6.9 (32%)
  • Woodward ..... 1.7 - 4.7 (27%)
  
  • Team USA Total ..... 40.8 - 62.7 (39%)

Team Europe

• • Feijen ..... 25.0 - 13.3 (65%)
  • Appleton ..... 16.0 - 12.1 (57%)
  • Gray ..... 3.6 - 3.5 (51%)
  • Ouschan ..... 5.7 - 0.7 (89%)
  • Shaw ..... 1.7 - 1.5 (53%)
  
  • Team Europe Total ..... 52.0 - 31.1 (63%)

 

[AtLarge]

And here's an update on some Mosconi Cup history stats.

First 12 years (1994 through 2005)

• Cups won -- 10-2 USA
  Matches won -- 151-111 USA (+ 40 matches, 57.6% winning percentage)
  Games won -- 1,291-1,184 USA (+107 games, 52.2%)

Last 11 years (2006 through 2016)

• Cups -- 9-1 Europe plus one tie
  Matches -- 118-77 Europe (+ 41 matches, 60.5%)
  Games -- 903-748 Europe (+155 games, 54.7%)

All 23 years

• Cups -- 11-11 plus one tie
  Matches -- 229-228 Europe (+1 match, 50.1%)
  Games -- 2,087-2,039 Europe (+48 games, 50.6%)

Observations:
• Never has a team won the Cup without winning the most games.
• The difference in games won by each team was 3 or less 4 times, resulting in 2 Cup wins for Team USA, 1 for Team Europe, and 1 tie.
• The most games played was 389 in 1995 (Team Europe won the Cup 16-15); the fewest games played was 92 in 2001 (Team USA won the Cup 12-1). The second fewest games played was 104 this year (with Team Europe winning the Cup 11-3).
• The average number of games played for the first 5 years of the event was 299 per year. The average for the most recent 5 years was much less than half of that -- 128 per year.
• The average margin of victory is 4.4 matches for Team USA in their 11 wins and 4.5 matches for Team Europe in their 11 wins.



[Bases on annual info on Wikipedia and Matchroom Sport websites]

 

[AtLarge]

Here's an update of post #28 -- Feijen's doubles stats. He has played in 33 Mosconi Cup doubles matches to date (losses in red):

2001
w/ Immonen vs. Archer & Varner -- 5-3
w/ Immonen vs. Archer & Varner -- 4-5

2004
w/ Davis vs. Robles & Williams -- 5-4
w/ Davis vs. Archer & Owen -- 5-3
w/ Davis vs. Robles & Williams -- 3-5

2005
w/ Hohmann vs. Archer & Jones -- 5-1
w/ Hohmann vs. Putnam & Williams -- 4-5
w/ Lely vs. Putnam & Williams -- 5-3

2007
w/ Souquet vs. Archer & Morris -- 6-4
w/ Stepanov vs. Archer & Deuel -- 6-1
w/ Stepanov vs. Archer & Deuel -- 6-2

2008
w/ Souquet vs. Morris & Van Boening -- 5-3
w/ Souquet vs. Morris & Van Boening -- 5-3
w/ Souquet vs. Morris & Strickland -- 5-1
w/ Souquet vs. Jones & Morris -- 5-2

2009
w/ Appleton vs. Archer & Hatch -- 5-6
w/ Souquet vs. Archer & Van Boening -- 2-6
w/ Hohmann vs. Deuel & Hatch -- 6-1

2011
w/ Van den Berg vs. Archer & Van Boening -- 5-6
w/ Appleton vs. Dechaine & Putman -- 6-3
w/ Souquet vs. Archer & Morris -- 6-2

2012
w/ Van den Berg vs. Hatch & Shuff -- 5-2
w/ Appleton vs. Archer & Van Boening -- 4-5
w/ Ekonomopoulos vs. Dechaine & Hatch -- 5-4

2013
w/ Souquet vs. Archer & Hatch -- 6-3
w/ Boyes vs. Archer & Morris -- 6-4
w/ Immonen vs. Hatch & Morris -- 6-4

2014
w/ Ekonomopoulos vs. Bergman & Van Boening -- 5-1
w/ Gray vs. Bergman & Hall -- 2-5

2015
w/ Van den Berg vs. Bergman & Woodward -- 3-5
w/ Ouschan vs. Bergman & Deuel -- 5-1

2016
w/Gray vs. Woodward & Van Boening -- 5-2
w/ Appleton vs. Dechaine & Van Boening -- 5-2

TOTAL -- 24-9 in matches (winning percentage 73%), 161-107 in games (winning percentage 50%)
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• 7-0 in doubles matches against Morris
• 7-1 in doubles matches with Souquet
• Largest winning streaks are 8 and 5
• Largest losing streak is 2, twice

 

[watchez]

AtLarge - can you post the # of games won just in the last 3 years, each year individually and then as a total.

 

[AtLarge]

AtLarge - can you post the # of games won just in the last 3 years, each year individually and then as a total.

2016 -- 63-41 (winning percentage 61% for Team Europe))
2015 -- 77-65 (54%)
2014 -- 70-49 (59%)

3-year total -- 210-155 (58%)

 

[watchez]

2016 -- 63-41 (winning percentage 61% for Team Europe))
2015 -- 77-65 (54%)
2014 -- 70-49 (59%)

3-year total -- 210-155 (58%)

Thanks -----and I'm dumb, what would the score be each year, based on those percentages if they simply raced to 100.

 

[sjm]

Thanks -----and I'm dumb, what would the score be each year, based on those percentages if they simply raced to 100.

Roughly 100-74, which translates to winning 57.5% of the racks.

 

[AtLarge]

Thanks -----and I'm dumb, what would the score be each year, based on those percentages if they simply raced to 100.

Roughly 100-74, which translates to winning 57.5% of the racks.

sjm is correct, using the 3-year total.

Using the percentages for each year, it would be:

2016 -- 100-65
2015 -- 100-84
2014 -- 100-70

 

[realkingcobra]

sjm is correct, using the 3-year total.

Using the percentages for each year, it would be:

2016 -- 100-65
2015 -- 100-84
2014 -- 100-70

That percentage only works on paper, and is not realistic in a race to 100 as there are many other factors involved when you alter the distance of the race. I'd bet on team USA every day and twice on Sunday against team Europe if the races were to 100.....a quarter horse is never going to beat a thoroughbred race horse in a mile and a half race, they're better suited to the 1/4 mile and shourter distance racing.

 

[AtLarge]

That percentage only works on paper, and is not realistic in a race to 100 as there are many other factors involved when you alter the distance of the race. I'd bet on team USA every day and twice on Sunday against team Europe if the races were to 100.....a quarter horse is never going to beat a thoroughbred race horse in a mile and a half race, they're better suited to the 1/4 mile and shourter distance racing.

Your point is appropriate, But it may not have been all quarter horses on one side and all the thoroughbreds on the other. Maybe some are appendix quarter horses.

 

[realkingcobra]

your point is appropriate, but it may not have been all quarter horses on one side and all the thoroughbreds on the other. Maybe some are appendix quarter horses.

lol..................