Mosconi Cup - Strickland

[Timberly]

Hi Timberly
Before u first posted expressing your concern about Bernie`s comments,I made two posts expressing my concerns. In one of the posts I mentioned that Just like the United States Senators, the Pro pool players do not criticise each other in the media or other public places.Since he now has pro status,he has to learn how to behave like a pro player towards fellow pro players.

Very true Vagabond. Not to mention that potential sponsors also look at things like this. I guess he'll always have a shot at maybe being spnosored by cuetec since they've proven they don't care what their player represenatives say. Other than cuetec, most sponsors will stray from someone who is controversial....esp controversial in a racist way of thinking. Sponsoring him would alienate all of their southern customers... they wouldn't want that.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

If anyone is DESERVING of some form of comment about being a racist, it is without a doubt, Earl Strickland, regardless of how fantastic he might play pool.

Personally, i would not have gone the "RED NECK" route, because this is a STEREOTYPE that is demeaning to anyone who might have been raised in the stereotyped areas, when they do not fit the stereotype in any way shape or form.
But to understand that distinction, one has to have been educated on that fact. If the offender has an education or not, is not clearly known, and if he DOES, then one can deduce more clearly whether or not the comment was mean in jest or not.

BUT, that is NOT to say that Earl does not fit the profile that is defined by that steroetype.
While i have never personally encountered a problem with Earl, i have been witness to several, and there is no doubt that when he gets irrate, that he is the EPITOME (as in poster child) of someone who has clearly marked prejudices and exhibits bigotry, and who's upbringing and education are on display for all to see.
And for all the guys who will reply that when i can beat him, i can tell him how to act, Earls ability has no bearing on his antics.
If he's gonna stomp on someone at the table, he can do so without opening his mouth. His talent speaks for itself. He doesn't need to prove himself at pool in any way, shape, or form.
If he decides to open his mouth on the other hand, he is opening himself up to a whole world of comments, that i, like anyone else, can take part of.

All you people who try to justify his antics and/or ignore them and rush to his aid to defend or promote him simply because he waves the proverbial FLAG harder than others. That just shows where you fit into the scheme of things.

Birds of a feather, stick together.

The word narrowminded pops into my head.

 

[blud]

money

If anyone is DESERVING of some form of comment about being a racist, it is without a doubt, Earl Strickland, regardless of how fantastic he might play pool.

Personally, i would not have gone the "RED NECK" route, because this is a STEREOTYPE that is demeaning to anyone who might have been raised in the stereotyped areas, when they do not fit the stereotype in any way shape or form.
But to understand that distinction, one has to have been educated on that fact. If the offender has an education or not, is not clearly known, and if he DOES, then one can deduce more clearly whether or not the comment was mean in jest or not.

BUT, that is NOT to say that Earl does not fit the profile that is defined by that steroetype.
While i have never personally encountered a problem with Earl, i have been witness to several, and there is no doubt that when he gets irrate, that he is the EPITOME (as in poster child) of someone who has clearly marked prejudices and exhibits bigotry, and who's upbringing and education are on display for all to see.
And for all the guys who will reply that when i can beat him, i can tell him how to act, Earls ability has no bearing on his antics.
If he's gonna stomp on someone at the table, he can do so without opening his mouth. His talent speaks for itself. He doesn't need to prove himself at pool in any way, shape, or form.
If he decides to open his mouth on the other hand, he is opening himself up to a whole world of comments, that i, like anyone else, can take part of.

All you people who try to justify his antics and/or ignore them and rush to his aid to defend or promote him simply because he waves the proverbial FLAG harder than others. That just shows where you fit into the scheme of things.

Birds of a feather, stick together.

The word narrowminded pops into my head.

What do you do superstar, for a living? Just wondering.Someone who names themselves "SUPERSTAR" would seem to me, to have an big EGO problem...
blud

 

[SUPERSTAR]

Not trying to get a fight started or take sides, but who the "HELL" are you to judge anyone. Are you a shrink? You don't know how Earl was raised.

With a name as "SUPERSTAR". MAN O MAN, talk about an EGO, maybe you need to see a shrink. Who are you trying to impress, with a name as that? Superstar, PLEASE!

If you don't like his flag waving, move to the desert, over-seas....Join that bunch of guys, judge them and see what it will get you, superstar. See how you like it then..
Superstar, JUDGE & JURY, don't think so.
blud.

LOL. How did i know someone was gonna chime in like this.

Not trying to get a fight started? I beg to differ.
You start a fight with anyone on this forum that answers a question about cuemaking that isn't in agreement with your own. It seems fitting you throw the gloves off with little prompting at all in this thread.

I am entitled to my opinion, just like you are entitled to your own.
If you don't like my opinion, so what. Put me on ignore, and you don't have to hear it.

BUT, since you asked, in terms of peoples upbringing, i don't have to know.
How Earl acts tells us.

If you knew ANYTHING, you'd know that HOW WE ARE RAISED, and what we learn from our parents and experiences growing up is precisely how our assumptions, prejudices and discriminations are learned.
Our culture is passed down through our family. It is up to us to accept it or reject it.

AND what's this? You have nothing valid to say, so your going to attempt to pick on my screen ID like that is going to hurt me? LOL. Is that the best you can do?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, you really stuck it too me with that one, let me tell ya.
MAAAN, i don't know if i'll be able to recover from the devastation that was, you ripping on my ID.

You'll do much better if you stick to topics that you know about, such as turning down shafts, lathes, routers, and glues.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

The above quote by BLUD is the original post he put up in response to my post.

He changed it as i was typing my reply to a much less antagonistic version.

But it IS his original quote.

 

[wahcheck]

my opinion

If anyone is DESERVING of some form of comment about being a racist, it is without a doubt, Earl Strickland, regardless of how fantastic he might play pool.

Personally, i would not have gone the "RED NECK" route, because this is a STEREOTYPE that is demeaning to anyone who might have been raised in the stereotyped areas, when they do not fit the stereotype in any way shape or form.
But to understand that distinction, one has to have been educated on that fact. If the offender has an education or not, is not clearly known, and if he DOES, then one can deduce more clearly whether or not the comment was mean in jest or not.

BUT, that is NOT to say that Earl does not fit the profile that is defined by that steroetype.
While i have never personally encountered a problem with Earl, i have been witness to several, and there is no doubt that when he gets irrate, that he is the EPITOME (as in poster child) of someone who has clearly marked prejudices and exhibits bigotry, and who's upbringing and education are on display for all to see.
And for all the guys who will reply that when i can beat him, i can tell him how to act, Earls ability has no bearing on his antics.
If he's gonna stomp on someone at the table, he can do so without opening his mouth. His talent speaks for itself. He doesn't need to prove himself at pool in any way, shape, or form.
If he decides to open his mouth on the other hand, he is opening himself up to a whole world of comments, that i, like anyone else, can take part of.

All you people who try to justify his antics and/or ignore them and rush to his aid to defend or promote him simply because he waves the proverbial FLAG harder than others. That just shows where you fit into the scheme of things.

Birds of a feather, stick together.

The word narrowminded pops into my head.

I am an American of Chinese descent... I first saw Earl in action at the Caesar's Tahoe 9-ball tournament way back when (what year?) I could see right away that he had extraordinary talent at the pool table (I think he beat Steve Mizerak for the championship)....Since then I had always been a fan of his.....however, in recent years I heard or read about his comments toward some Asian players which sorta changed my "fan's perpective" of him....I still admire his pool playing ability but not his personality.....There are many examples of talented sports stars in sports who seem to have an attitude of, "I'm so good, I can say and do ANYTHING I want," and I would definitely include Earl in that category......I would also say that he is reaping the harvest of what he has sown........

 

[blud]

earl

I am an American of Chinese descent... I first saw Earl in action at the Caesar's Tahoe 9-ball tournament way back when (what year?) I could see right away that he had extraordinary talent at the pool table (I think he beat Steve Mizerak for the championship)....Since then I had always been a fan of his.....however, in recent years I heard or read about his comments toward some Asian players which sorta changed my "fan's perpective" of him....I still admire his pool playing ability but not his personality.....There are many examples of talented sports stars in sports who seem to have an attitude of, "I'm so good, I can say and do ANYTHING I want," and I would definitely include Earl in that category......I would also say that he is reaping the harvest of what he has sown........

wacheck, in no way am i taking up for earl's actions. I was not there when you were insulted, as was not super-whoever....

It's sad that folks come on here and say what they want about someone. When they really don't know the person on a personal bases.


BTW super, I had a change of heart and deleted my original post. You know this, but you re-posted it anyway.NO CLAAS on your part, IMO..Tells us a lot about you dosen't it, I assume so, anyway..

Super, I'm good at what I do, and good at several other things, one is in this business when your in the publics eye, and you see many differant people at tournaments or shows, you do learn to read those people, I read you as a know it all, and you do sir, hide behind a so called SCREEN NAME.
Plus your always correct and everyone else is, ----------whatever you think.
end of story.
blud
Excuse me,
Leonard Bludworth
cuemaker
machinery builder, father of 5
grandfather of 20, great grandfather of 2
Married for 45 yrs, and damn proud of what I have done for our industry.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I am an American of Chinese descent... I first saw Earl in action at the Caesar's Tahoe 9-ball tournament way back when (what year?) I could see right away that he had extraordinary talent at the pool table (I think he beat Steve Mizerak for the championship)....Since then I had always been a fan of his.....however, in recent years I heard or read about his comments toward some Asian players which sorta changed my "fan's perpective" of him....I still admire his pool playing ability but not his personality.....There are many examples of talented sports stars in sports who seem to have an attitude of, "I'm so good, I can say and do ANYTHING I want," and I would definitely include Earl in that category......I would also say that he is reaping the harvest of what he has sown........

RIGHT!
One cannot argue his talent, he has tons.
But it's not JUST Earl's antics. He is a piece of work, no doubt, but it's not always just him.

If you were at the U.S. open when Earl beat Takeshi Okumura not only for the hot seat, but for the whole championship, you'd see what i mean.

That might have been the most gross dispay of blatant racism on the CROWDS part i have ever seen. One guy i remember sitting in the next row screamed out "REMEMBER HIROSHIMA!!!" , and a plethora of other vulgarities.
And all that did, was pump Earl up even more, and when Earl won, even MORE vulgarities out of this retard and high fives (with other fans), and celebration about how that @%# got his ass kicked. (you can fill in the blank)

It was no wonder that TAKESHI did not play well.
I think he just wanted to get out of there alive.
That in no way reflects the whole crowds position, but all you need is a few.

As long as Earl has his supporters, Earl is never going to change.
AND, to be perfectly honest, he doesn't have to change. His life, his freedom.

I just wonder if a few years down the line, if his antics cause the then well established IPT to withdraw funding and cancel the tour because he decides to walk out of a final match, how many of those supporters might turn into his critics.
Only time can tell if history will repeat itself.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

It's sad that folks come on here and say what they want about someone. When they really don't know the person on a personal bases.

...and damn proud of what I have done for our industry.

First off, you don't know a thing about me, yet YOU feel the need to say what you will, without having any knowledge of who i am and what i do.
So i guess that the only person allowed to have an opinion on this forum by those standards is you.
My mistake, i had no clue that you were royalty.

How is me reposting it no class on my part.
It shows how little class you have by posting it in the first place.
I'm supposed to let it slide, and ignore a full blown antagonistic attack out of nowhere for YOUR BENEFIT?! And you talk about ME having a big ego?
Not my fault you don't have the heart to let your post stand as is!

If you think that i am a know-it-all, that's your opinion. I have never ever made that claim, and i certainly do not toot my own horn at every given chance at the drop of a dime, such as yourself.

but i DO know what i am talking about in this instance, and if you feel that i don't, show me up and i will gladly admit that you were right.

The day i post that i am gods gift to cuemakers, and that i alone posses the skills to make a quality custom cue and that all others are junk and try and argue what those skills are and how mine are the best, then YOU can educate ME and put me in my place.

Till that magical day comes!

 

[Craig Fales]

I still wanna play some cheap sets....
________

 

[SUPERSTAR]

funny

I still wanna play some cheap sets....

LOL!
If i'm ever out that way again, you've got action!
I'll just need to go pound on Derek Pogirski first so i have some free ammo.

 

[blud]

talent

Never once said or claimed to be the best of cuemakers.
I hope god will except me some day.
have a good life, super
blud

 

[Str8PoolMan]

Inspite I am big on freedom of speech,I was really offended by Bernie`s comments.I felt that he meant it and I did NOT think it was tongue and cheek.Freedom of speech doesn`t mean making insulting/abusive/prejudicial comments directed at a specific person.

Actually, that's exactly what it means. If you infringe upon speech, any type of speech, then it is no longer free. And that is an affront to liberty.

 

[vagabond]

Actually, that's exactly what it means. If you infringe upon speech, any type of speech, then it is no longer free. And that is an affront to liberty.

In the past ,on occasions,I listened to leagal experts on TV regards this subject.It appeared that there is no absolute and complete freedom of speech in our law.However If some one is a public figure,general public can cross the boundaries in their criticism of the public figures. Example:Reverand Jerry Falwell lost his case against Larry Flint ( A Porn Magazine`s owner) when Larry called Mr.Falwell and his mother all kinds of names.Court said that Mr.Falwell is a public figure.
I am not familiar with uniformity in the legal rulings so far.
I always like to remind the people that others also will have the same freedom of speech.If Mr.B tells Mr.A that his mama is a whore and Mr.A can tell Mr.B that his Mama is a whore.What will happen next.....draw the guns and shoot each other?

 

[ironman]

If I'm going to have to suffer through 40 min of beer and deodorant ads to
see 20 min of pool playing, I want to be entertained. And as amazing as it
is, seeing top pros running rack after rack after rack, it tends to put me asleep.

I want to hear McCready talk it up. I want to see Strickland explode.
I want to watch Archer pick lint off the table with Bucktooth in the chair.

Pocket billiards is pocket billiards, and pool's pool (Fatty?). I like POOL.

Does Bucktooth have to b there? I'm convinced he had no toys as a child.

 

[vagabond]

Does Bucktooth have to b there? I'm convinced he had no toys as a child.

He played with guns while growing up in West Virginia.

 

[DoomCue]

RIGHT!
One cannot argue his talent, he has tons.
But it's not JUST Earl's antics. He is a piece of work, no doubt, but it's not always just him.

If you were at the U.S. open when Earl beat Takeshi Okumura not only for the hot seat, but for the whole championship, you'd see what i mean.

That might have been the most gross dispay of blatant racism on the CROWDS part i have ever seen. One guy i remember sitting in the next row screamed out "REMEMBER HIROSHIMA!!!" , and a plethora of other vulgarities.
And all that did, was pump Earl up even more, and when Earl won, even MORE vulgarities out of this retard and high fives (with other fans), and celebration about how that @%# got his ass kicked. (you can fill in the blank)

It was no wonder that TAKESHI did not play well.
I think he just wanted to get out of there alive.
That in no way reflects the whole crowds position, but all you need is a few.

As long as Earl has his supporters, Earl is never going to change.
AND, to be perfectly honest, he doesn't have to change. His life, his freedom.

I just wonder if a few years down the line, if his antics cause the then well established IPT to withdraw funding and cancel the tour because he decides to walk out of a final match, how many of those supporters might turn into his critics.
Only time can tell if history will repeat itself.

I've posted about this very incident a few times, and yet people still seem to think earl can do no wrong. It boggles the mind. What happened at the 2000 US Open was a travesty. Watching earl act like the dick he is, and then the crowd loving it.... Made me ashamed to be a pool player, and ashamed to be an American. Okamura was a perfect gentleman throughout the tournament, and to be treated the way he was treated was simply shameful.

Hopefully, the IPT has some type of fining system in place. One of the problems with all these individual tournaments and tours is that NONE of them impose any types of sanctions on players. For instance, some people have tried to compare earl with McEnroe (apples and oranges, BTW). Johnny Mac was fined for his outbursts, and he lost points, games, and money. People seem to think that Mac blew up at every single tournament he played in, which is simply not the case. There were a few famous incidents. With earl, it's a rarity if he DOESN'T blow up at an event. With Mac, what kept him in check was that he had to suffer the repercussions of his actions. With earl, there's no piper to pay. Plus, idiot fanboys are right there supporting him when he does do something stupid. The IPT had better have some type of system to sanction players; otherwise the IPT may suffer the same fate as the CPBT and history WILL repeat itself.

For those of you who INSIST earl's antics are good for the game, look at the state of the game in the US. How have earl's antics helped the game?

-djb

 

[SUPERSTAR]

See, i think that the fundemental problem with the "IDIOT" fans, is that while they might embarass other americans with how they act, they themselves see nothing wrong with what they do, and i would bet, feel MORE PATRIOTIC then their non rude counterparts.

There is no way that you can tell them that they are being unamerican, and after they act the way they do, they go hang out with their friends drinking beer, laughing and cheering about how the "foreigner" got what he deserved.

I think as far as they are concerned, it serves the foreigners right for coming to OUR country, and trying to take the prizemoney that they feel the AMERICAN players have more of a right to.

They are the same retards that think the U.S. should blow up the rest of the world and take what they want, becaue they can.

 

[Rick S.]

I've posted about this very incident a few times, and yet people still seem to think earl can do no wrong. It boggles the mind. What happened at the 2000 US Open was a travesty. Watching earl act like the dick he is, and then the crowd loving it.... Made me ashamed to be a pool player, and ashamed to be an American. Okamura was a perfect gentleman throughout the tournament, and to be treated the way he was treated was simply shameful.

Hopefully, the IPT has some type of fining system in place. One of the problems with all these individual tournaments and tours is that NONE of them impose any types of sanctions on players. For instance, some people have tried to compare earl with McEnroe (apples and oranges, BTW). Johnny Mac was fined for his outbursts, and he lost points, games, and money. People seem to think that Mac blew up at every single tournament he played in, which is simply not the case. There were a few famous incidents. With earl, it's a rarity if he DOESN'T blow up at an event. With Mac, what kept him in check was that he had to suffer the repercussions of his actions. With earl, there's no piper to pay. Plus, idiot fanboys are right there supporting him when he does do something stupid. The IPT had better have some type of system to sanction players; otherwise the IPT may suffer the same fate as the CPBT and history WILL repeat itself.

For those of you who INSIST earl's antics are good for the game, look at the state of the game in the US. How have earl's antics helped the game?

-djb

You don't have a clue as to what sells pool, it's that plain and simple.

What was McEnroe fined? 5 K MAYBE? When he's knocking down a million or two? For that ONE tournament. Yeah, I'm sure he 'suffered' from it.

How many times have you brought up that Okamura incident? Damn dude, the past is the past. You don't see me talking about Jane Fonda and the Vietnam war ....over and OVER. Give it a break!!

Sit back and watch of the greatest players to ever hold a stick, while you can.

Rick S.

 

[jsp]

You don't have a clue as to what sells pool, it's that plain and simple.

Then in your mind, what sells pool? An overly-talented moron who verbally abuses a region and its people?

Sit back and watch of the greatest players to ever hold a stick, while you can.

It seems like you're justifying Earl's actions because of his talent level. If some average Joe pool player made such remarks, would they still be justifiable? Cuz after all, that sells pool.