Mosconi Cup Tournament Table - Opinions?

DrCue'sProtege said:
Can someone post a video of shots going down the rail and sliding/falling in that makes people think the pockets are too big? Or the table is playing too easy?

I cant seem to find anything along these lines myself. I'd like to see if its as bad as what some are saying.

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Its totally normal play for brand new cloth. Everyone is way over-reacting, imo.
 
People like to see offense. The games play quicker which keeps the production on time. Plus this is their standard pocket size.

Kudos to Diamond for making 4.5 inches the standard corner pocket size...and we can all go tighter from there. Just a better game.
 
iusedtoberich said:
You guys are acting like you've never went to the pool hall the day the tables were recovered. Every table in the world plays loose like the Mosconi TV tables do when the cloth is brand new. Every year everyone complains the table is too easy. This is completely normal for new cloth.

The jump bank shot that Styer shit in off of the side pocket tit is also a very common shit-in. I know I've hit that shot myself a bunch of times over the years. It is so common especially in bank pool, that they always stipulate before a tournament if hitting the tit on the side pocket on a straight back bank counts as 1 rail or 2 rails.
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I've played on plenty of new cloth in my day. I have never seen a 9' table Hoover balls like this.

Lou Figueroa
 
Does no one actually measure the openings? A player should know the depth of the shelf, as well. The angles seem standard across brands.
 
The pockets were huge, even by Mosconi Cup standards. After all, the pockets at the Mosconi are always loose.

I've heard some good assessments of loose equipment by three well known pro players over the years that made me laugh.

1) I once played Tony Robles on loose equipment and he said "these pockets are like sewers." As you can tell, Tony is a city boy.
2) When I played a well-known pro by the name of George Breedlove on a very loose table, he commented "these pockets are like bushel baskets." Yup, he's a country boy.
3) My favorite term for loose pockets, however, came from Grady Matthews. He once called a loose table's pocket as being cavernous.

The pocket this year at the Mosconi were cavernous, to the point that the accu-stat numbers were almost meaningless. Shooting over .900 in these conditions is almost automatic for the world's most elite players.
 
Pierre Shakes said:
Does no one actually measure the openings? A player should know the depth of the shelf, as well. The angles seem standard across brands.
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Someone did post a measurement for the corner pockets above. It's not hard for the player to check, but these pockets seemed to play a lot larger than some other 4.5-inch pockets. I think we haven't figured out why yet.
 
sjm said:
The pockets were huge, even by Mosconi Cup standards. After all, the pockets at the Mosconi are always loose.

I've heard some good assessments of loose equipment by three well known pro players over the years that made me laugh.

1) I once played Tony Robles on loose equipment and he said "these pockets are like sewers." As you can tell, Tony is a city boy.
2) When I played a well-known pro by the name of George Breedlove on a very loose table, he commented "these pockets are like bushel baskets." Yup, he's a country boy.
3) My favorite term for loose pockets, however, came from Grady Matthews. He once called a loose table's pocket as being cavernous.

The pocket this year at the Mosconi were cavernous, to the point that the accu-stat numbers were almost meaningless. Shooting over .900 in these conditions is almost automatic for the world's most elite players.
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On a similar note, I always called Valley bar table pockets....Ravines.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Someone did post a measurement for the corner pockets above. It's not hard for the player to check, but these pockets seemed to play a lot larger than some other 4.5-inch pockets. I think we haven't figured out why yet.
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I think that the rails weren't very firm and the conditions were slidy, causing balls shot up the rails to rebound less than usual, effectively loosening the pockets.

In my opinion, with new cloth and slidy rails, 4 1/2" plays like 4 7/8". Some shots that appeared to have been missed by a mile went in, especially during the first two sessions.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Someone did post a measurement for the corner pockets above. It's not hard for the player to check, but these pockets seemed to play a lot larger than some other 4.5-inch pockets. I think we haven't figured out why yet.
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My hunch, in addition to the newly installed cloth, is generous pocket facing angles on these pockets. Diamond tour specs are generally around 142 degrees pocket facing angles, but I'm guessing these pockets were more like 139-140 degrees, which makes the pockets play considerably more forgiving, particularly combined with new cloth.
 
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