Mosconi Videos?
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Didn't play well at all?
Up till the exact second he moved on he played well...
Up till the exact second he moved on he played well...
JamisonNeu said:Up till the exact second he moved on he played well...
He didn't play well that match - not that he couldn't play well at all at that time. Anyway, I'm talking about when he was still capable of running hundreds. I don't want to upset any Mosconi fans, but he wasn't doing that in his twilight years. It doesn't mean that he wasn't a fantastic player (which, obviously, is why I'd like to get my hands on some video of him playing well). It just means he was human.
Jimmy M. said:
I don't know of any video's of Mosconi playing actual matches in his prime but I do have a video which is about 90 minutes long and it has many old clips. Some clips are only 30 seconds, some are 5 or 6 minutes long, it covers a variety of players like a young Mosconi doing trickshots on a 5 x 10 table, Wille Hoppe doing trickshots, Jake Schaefer playing balkline in the 1920's, and Ralph Greenleaf losing the 1925 World title (2 minute clip of final match) and Greenleaf regaining the title in 1926: in that clip he runs the last 6 balls of a 125 and out run for the title and he looked so smooth.
I really believe that there have people with old reels of film from the Mosconi era that probably left the reels in an old attic and then maybe died and their kids cleaned out the attic and threw the stuff out or something like that. I've heard that there's a film out there somewhere (very rare) of Greenleaf running 2 or 3 racks of straight pool on stage when he was doing the vaudeville circuit. I'd love to get my hands on that one!
Bobby
I also want to express my interest in Willie Mosconi tapes/dvd's/video's . The man is the greatest straight-pooler of all time.
Double-Dave said:
I've seen that Antique Billiards set of 3, that has bits of Mosconi, Greenleaf, Hoppe and others.
I've seen the Mosconi/Caras Chicago 14.1 match where Caras wins and Mosconi pouts.
There's a lot of stuff out there with Mosconi, Fats and others playing a lot of different games (never 14.1), but they are all kind of old.
There's the tribute dinner to Mosconi and Caras but they are again rather old.
I have a home video of Mosconi in his basement but he is pretty old.
There is also the Pocket Billiards instructional of Mosconi's.
I know of no other video of Mosconi. Does anyone?
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JM,
Bert Kinister sells the complete series of every billiard short ever made. One contains Mosconi instructing the viewer in how to make a straight pool run - he says he'll run 50, then does it in no time flat (often setting up for the next shot while whitey is still rolling into its final position, talking continuously during the run). It is black and white, on an 8 footer, and AFTER his stroke, but he obviously was still playing at a fairly high level.
Bert Kinister sells the complete series of every billiard short ever made. One contains Mosconi instructing the viewer in how to make a straight pool run - he says he'll run 50, then does it in no time flat (often setting up for the next shot while whitey is still rolling into its final position, talking continuously during the run). It is black and white, on an 8 footer, and AFTER his stroke, but he obviously was still playing at a fairly high level.
Williebetmore said:
Willie:
Which one is that on? I think I have those three:
ANTIQUE BILLIARDS
dvd 1 “Whispering Joe Wilson describes the action on this early attempt at color from television in the early 1950’s, The game is called 10-20. 10-20 is a variation of straight pool broken down into 10 frames with no more than 20 points being scored in a frame. The players are Irving “The Deacon” Crane vs. “Cowboy” Jimmy Moore. Jimmy Moore vs. Joe Procita. Joe Diehl vs Don Tozer. Jimmy Moore vs Charlie’ Cacciapaglia.
DVD2 - This dvd consists of the following:
1. A Pete Smith specialty “Super Cue Men” 1948 featuring Willie Mosconi and Jimmy Carras. 9 minutes long picture quality fair
2. RKO Pathe Sportscope “Q-Men” Picture quality good features Irving Crane, Charlie Peterson and Willie Hoppe (10 Minutes long)
3. Columbia Pictures Presents “The Willie Hoppe Story” Picture Quality Good (10 Minutes long)
4. Fox News - Mayor of St. Louis, C. Bruce age 74 defeats Hyatt - the inventor of the Plastic Billiard Ball.(Picture quality fair, this is a silent picture) Charlie Peterson Trick Shots then more match play and finally a very young Charlie Peterson doing trick shots on an oval table and then showing you the foundation of Modem Artistic Billiards (15 Minutes long)
5. Supreme Beer Presents “The 924 Club featuring Welker Cochran” Welker Cochrans 924 Club was one of the worlds most famous billiard roomslocated in San Francisco. This feature has sound to the picture - quality is good (10 Minutes long)
6. Sports on Fox - The Fox Movietone News “Worlds Champion Billiardists Meet in Chicago Tourney” Picture quality good. Made before sound(5 Minutes long)
7. “Cue Master” in Color - Jimmy Caras shows off - Picture quality fair. This was some of the first color television (13 Minutes long)
Dvd3 - This tape is all black and white put together from old newsreels. 1. 12/25/30 C Rudolph captures world title at Dwyer’s in” New York 2. 4/2-6/37 C Ralph Greenleaf trick shots at Ponzi’s New York City 3: 8/23/38 Greenleaf teaches Buster Keaton trick shots (total 10 min.) 4. No Arm George Sutton runs more billiards without forearms or hands than I can (5 min.) 5. (5 min.) Frank Taberski 12/22/28 6. Maurice Daly (80 yrs. old) 5/23/28 New York city (5 min.) 7. Erwin Rudolph at Dwyers 1928-1930 (6 min.) 8. Jake Schaeffer 2/13/29 receives World Metal and Shoots Billiards (5 min.) 9. Frank Taberski 11/27/29 trick shots 10. Ralph Greenleaf 12/19/29 Detroit: crowd scenes and plays pool in an airplane 1L Ponzi, Greenleaf, Mosconi, Carras, Rudolph in Detroit 11/29/42, Charlie Peterson and Irving Crane (total time 1 hour and 23 min.)
World of Pocket Billiards
I have a VHS tape with Willie being interviewed by Bill Flemming:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009MJE6A/104-9022207-8039926?v=glance&n=404272
I forgot where I bought my copy.
He goes through the basics of pool, shows the trick shots from "The Hustler" and runs 28 balls 14.1 in about 3 minutes. He is old (1981) but his stroke was so smooth and he could cue the ball effortlessly and it would just be like a yo yo on a string.
Recommended.
I have a VHS tape with Willie being interviewed by Bill Flemming:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009MJE6A/104-9022207-8039926?v=glance&n=404272
I forgot where I bought my copy.
He goes through the basics of pool, shows the trick shots from "The Hustler" and runs 28 balls 14.1 in about 3 minutes. He is old (1981) but his stroke was so smooth and he could cue the ball effortlessly and it would just be like a yo yo on a string.
Recommended.
DJKeys said:
DJKey-man,
I think most of us would not wish to see the 1 year old Rude Dog match up with an old guy after his stroke.
Rude Dog, you must have been quite a child prodigy.
P.S. - guys, videotape wasn't even invented until the 1960's (and then only huge machines used by television stations). Even the best movie cameras of the 50's could only record 20-30 minutes of film without changing reels. I think Rude Dog might be pulling (??humping??) your leg just a little.
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