Most Arrogant Cuemaker???

JoeyInCali said:
Ok u got me.
Full splice curly pink ivory with bdr points.
Free joint protectors inlayed w/gold.

LoL...you're working it, aren't you?!! :) I was thinking something along the lines of tulip butt into BdR nose. Or visa versa. Thinking that the combination of the two rosewoods might make for a killer player. :D

I have to admit, it is pretty tempting. ;)

Lisa
 
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How did this thread make it this far without the mention of the one and only..........(drumroll please)..........


deanoc!!!!!!!!!!!


But we'd have to expand the topic to be inclusive of all people, not just cuemakers.

Staying on topic, I think all cuemakers are a little arrogant - they've worked hard on their craft and think their way is the best way, which I can respect. Demeaning potential customers, regardless of who you are, is no way to do business and the word will eventually get out, thanks to forums like AZ. Sometimes it's not what people say but what they don't say, you have to read between the lines a little.

Eric
 
emf123 said:
How did this thread make it this far without the mention of the one and only..........(drumroll please)..........


deanoc!!!!!!!!!!!


But we'd have to expand the topic to be inclusive of all people, not just cuemakers.

Staying on topic, I think all cuemakers are a little arrogant - they've worked hard on their craft and think their way is the best way, which I can respect. Demeaning potential customers, regardless of who you are, is no way to do business and the word will eventually get out, thanks to forums like AZ. Sometimes it's not what people say but what they don't say, you have to read between the lines a little.

Eric

I would have to respectfully disagree with this comment. There are several cuemakers here who are more than forthcoming with information/resources...and will even share certain techniques with one another, for public view.

I believe that because of this sharing, we are seeing some real quality cues right out of the gate from some of the newer makers on the scene.

Lisa
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
SO IT SHOULD BE ALRIGHT FOR CUEMAKERS TO TREAT CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP???

I FEEL IT'S MORE THAN FAIR THAT THE BUYING PUBLIC KNOWS THESE STORIES. IF I COULD PREVENT MIKE FROM EVER SELLING ANOTHER CUE, I WOULD.

HAS ANYONE EVER TREATED YOU LIKE THAT WHEN YOU WENT TO BUY ANYTHING?

Did I say whether it was right or wrong, NO!
I am a member of this forum just like you are, If I personally think these kinds of threads suck, Then it's my right just as it is yours. Did I miss something or am I not an individual anymore.
 
Just for the record, Marcus and I get along very well. Please don't read anything into the above.
Thank you
 
ridewiththewind said:
I would have to respectfully disagree with this comment. There are several cuemakers here who are more than forthcoming with information/resources...and will even share certain techniques with one another, for public view.

I believe that because of this sharing, we are seeing some real quality cues right out of the gate from some of the newer makers on the scene.

Lisa

I agree.

I find most people run into trouble in any industry when they use the wrong approach with the people they are contracting with. Especially if, even if it is unintentional, that you appear to be telling them how to do their business. Lets face it, a good first impression can mean everything no matter what side of the counter you are on.

There is no shortage of people out there who's egos are so large that they need a shoe horn to be able to get through a door. However even they can be dealt with in a satisfactory manner when using the proper approach.
 
ridewiththewind said:
I would have to respectfully disagree with this comment. There are several cuemakers here who are more than forthcoming with information/resources...and will even share certain techniques with one another, for public view.

I believe that because of this sharing, we are seeing some real quality cues right out of the gate from some of the newer makers on the scene.

Lisa

No doubt many are forthcoming and willing to help others out, and it's great!!! There are all kinds of good cuemakers out there, it's a buyers market right now. I'm refering to the predisposition of their personalities. Many of them were at one time a master machinist, or cabinet maker, or in other professions that require a great deal of precision. These type of people are typically very confident in their abilities, and can be somewhat arrogant. I'm not talking like Terrell Owens or Mike Sigel arrogant, but I can guarantee you that they think their way is the best way of doing things. If they didn't, they probably wouldn't be making cues in the first place.

Eric
 
there are several i would disagree with posted , but opinions are like ass#####s every one has one. threads like this are a time and place in time for one or more incidents that mean nothing.
 
emf123 said:
No doubt many are forthcoming and willing to help others out, and it's great!!! There are all kinds of good cuemakers out there, it's a buyers market right now. I'm refering to the predisposition of their personalities. Many of them were at one time a master machinist, or cabinet maker, or in other professions that require a great deal of precision. These type of people are typically very confident in their abilities, and can be somewhat arrogant. I'm not talking like Terrell Owens or Mike Sigel arrogant, but I can guarantee you that they think their way is the best way of doing things. If they didn't, they probably wouldn't be making cues in the first place.

Eric

I disagree with you. I think there are a lot of cuemakers who think the way they do things is the best way they know how. Many cuemakers keep an open mind regarding their technique and learning, and they adapt if they learn a better way. Eventually they may get to a point that less and less changes occur because they become comfortable with their techniques and so no reason to change, but many cuemakers always keep their quest for knowledge open and keen.

I am sorry to hijack the thread, but I remembered a post by Sherm Adamson that shows my point, and I have to dig up and post it. This is a quote from Sherm, Cuesmith on here.

"OK Since I'm bragging about my wraps I'll take it a step farther and tell this little story! About 15 years ago I bought one of the original manuscripts David Kersenbrock wrote on cuemaking and cuemaking machinery. I'd been making cues a while but I'm always looking for a better way to do something. I spent a few hours talking about it with Dave at a trade show or tournament somewhere and decided his promise of "lifetime free telephone tech support" along with the purchase of his manuscript made it a bargain! I took him up on that offer and called him several times for some advise on different things. Several years later I purchased my CNC machine and made arrangements to pick it up in Minneapolis. The trip took me through Chicago so I made arrangements to stop by Omega Cues and spend a little time with David, while I was passing through. He gave me the "nickel tour" of Omega and answered a few questions for me before we took off for lunch! When we got in my car he saw a cue case and asked to see some of my recent work. He was amazed at the linen wrap on my playing cue! He had me tell him, step by step, how I made it so smooth! He told me he could do a leather wrap in about 20 minutes, start to finish, but he could work all day and not get a linen wrap looking and feeling that good! It was, to me, probably the best compliment I ever received about one of my cues! Coming from one of my mentors and people I had so much respect for, it meant so much more!"

Sherm was a new cuemaker, getting help from Kersenbrock, buying his manuscript, buying his machinery, learning things from him, and when Kersenbrock feels the linen wrap Sherm does, he quickly reverses the situation. David didn't care Sherm was a new cuemaker, didn't care Sherm was the student, all he cared about was he found something someone was doing better than he, and he made Sherm tell him everything step by step.

Certainly arrogance can be found in cuemakers, but do not presume all think the way they do things is the absolute best way. Many (the best??? the most humble???) never want to quit learning and striving to improve their product whether it comes from their own hand or help from others.

Kelly
 
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Arnot Wadsworth said:
I know I cannot please everybody all the time but I sure try. If I have offended you please forgive me.

Arnot

Consider yourself forgiven and good rep to you. You're obviously more than just another pretty face.:D

(Did you really do all that stuff to The Miz and Mike Siegel like Joey said:eek: :eek: !!)
 
The Big Picture

cueman said:
I know some people take peoples words to be arrogant and maybe they are or maybe you missed what just happened a few minutes earlier to them. I have built cues that sell for thousands of dollars and to be honest I cringe when I watch some of the people who have no clue on how to gently handle a cue, grab them up and bang them into other cues in the display. My guess is that Mike Sigel had already had that happen and was aggravated about it. Or you watch a guy grab a break jump cue butt and proceed to point at all the other cues hastily with the joint pin. I am not saying anyone was justified in what they said or did, but anyone can be having a bad day.
I will not mention names, but the most arrogant cuemakers I have seen are not the ones who can actually sell a cue for thousands of dollars, and are stuck on themselves. Instead it is the ones who couldn't put a tip on good six months ago and now think they know more than the guys who have been doing it many years and are very verbal about it. Some are fast learners indeed....

Marcus, I see your point that Mr. Sigel offended you with some discrimination behavior. I'm sorry you had to experience that. I do agree with Cueman, however, that there may be a bigger picture. While nothing justifies rudeness in the example you provide, there may be more going on like another young person who had screwed up previously. Once bitten twice shy...

All I want to add is that people are capable of some incredibly stupid moves. For example, and in response to your question about experiencing arrogance: I incurred the wrath of one of your favorites, Pete Tascarella when I shipped him a cue for authentication...by ground UPS without any insurance. He was offended by my ignorance and let me know about it in no uncertain terms. I looked up to him as a great cuemaker. I packed that cue securely and tried to meet appropriate precautions as a young collector who thought he had a prize cue. In my ignorance I offended someone in whom I had great respect. It hurt a lot to be called stupid or moron or whatever word he chose at that time. All I remember was trembling as I hung up the phone. I've never spoken to him since but in the decade that followed, I realized what a bonehead move I had made. I for one feel fortunate that I didn't have the balls to criticize him in a forum...if I had, I would regret my remarks today. The best revenge is to live well.
 
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Drawman623 said:
Marcus, I see your point that Mr. Sigel offended you with some discrimination behavior. I'm sorry you had to experience that. I do agree with Cueman, however, that there may be a bigger picture. While nothing justifies rudeness in the example you provide, there may be more going on like another young person who had screwed up previously. Once bitten twice shy...

I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE WAY I WAS TREATED.

I HAVE A RETAIL STORE, AND DEAL WITH BROKE TEENAGE KIDS ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS. I HAVE NEVER INSULTED SOMEONE THE WAY HE INSULTED ME. EVEN IF IT WAS THE KID THAT CAME IN, AFTER THE KID THAT RUINED MY DAY. IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS, AND THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY.... IS A SONG, NOT A WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. EVEN MORE SO, NOT RETAIL BUSINESS.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE WAY I WAS TREATED.

I HAVE A RETAIL STORE, AND DEAL WITH BROKE TEENAGE KIDS ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS. I HAVE NEVER INSULTED SOMEONE THE WAY HE INSULTED ME. EVEN IF IT WAS THE KID THAT CAME IN, AFTER THE KID THAT RUINED MY DAY. IT'S NOT GOOD BUSINESS, AND THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY.... IS A SONG, NOT A WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS. EVEN MORE SO, NOT RETAIL BUSINESS.

Remember that walking advertisement thing we were talking about, It just applies more to certain individuals.:D
 
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Michael Webb said:
Remember that walking advertisement thing we were talking about, It just applies more to certain individuals.:D

So what if I get a nice shirt made with the name of the cuemaker who sends me a free cue ? Would I be one of those "certain individuals" ? Please ?

Dave
 
Just a comment ,maybe just a bad day on his part.Jerry Mcworther rubbed me the wrong way in Florida at Stroud's show.He came up to me and told me I can't be sellin my ****ing cues there. I had Showman's and Searings and I was only showing them to people who wanted to see their work and was not trying to sell them.I did this at the end of the show when Martyne knew me and wanted to take some pics of the cues I had, by the way ,which were out in the car and not in the show with me.He did not make the comment until I came back with my cases and cues for pics.He made me feel very un-comfortable and made himself look bad to foriegn investors.John and Dennis were there but had no examples of their work, but I did.Once again this was after the show when people were loading up and leaving.
 
DaveK said:
So what if I get a nice shirt made with the name of the cue maker who sends me a free cue ? Would I be one of those "certain individuals" ? Please ?

Dave

Hi Dave
Trust me, if I told you the whole definition, you wouldn't want to be one of those people, Very, Very private joke between Marcus and I.
 
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