I love how bill marop. racks by hand
Hes got his cloth well trained on that nice metro table and many a good runs on vid
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I love how bill marop. racks by hand
Hes got his cloth well trained on that nice metro table and many a good runs on vid
A rhetorical question all dat jaz'. oh and then attempting to give an order - power trip much? It would seem your hacking for an argument - no thanks - I have talent for other than u sir and yer mediaohchruddy'.
The second statement wasn’t directed at you
No I was seriously interested. I’ve seen it before and wondered the same. I can’t zoom much so I like to think it’s a lady ripping a hole out of the world for a gentleman of some kind. Possibly they’re lovers as I’m a romantic and I despise unrequited love.
Good night azb, I’ve done my off topics for the week
Its pretty good on the statistics, Lou. I think you would like it and I would like to hear your opinion on it....here is the link....
http://billiardsdigest.com/new_current_issue/aug_19/bb_index.php
Here are those stats, in case folks missed them....
What Were The Odds?
Although John Schmidt's run of 626 balls was a singular event, he had a lot of tries leading up to it, which allows for good statistical analysis. Based on records kept during his last three attempts, Schmidt posted 209 runs of 100 balls or more.
What were Schmidt's percentages on a single shot? While missing 209 times, he made 15,998 balls which is 98.7 percent successful shots or, on average, one miss every 77 balls.
Given that average, Schmidt is expected to run 100 or more from an open shot about 27 percent of the time, and 200 or more about once in 13 tries. Stated as a proposition, if you give Schmidt 10 tries, he is slightly better than even money to run 200.
Schmidt's goal was 527, and the chance of that for a single try given John's average pocketing percentage is 1 in 937. In all of his sessions, John had about 1,100 tries, so breaking the record is not surprising. What is surprising is that he got to 626. The chance of that given the above was about 1 in 3.
98.7 percent: Schmidt's per-shot accuracy
1 in 937: Chances of running 527 from a single start
1,100: Approximate total number of attempts
1 in 3: Chances of running 626 with 1,100 attempts
John Schmidt 14.1 Challenge I
Easy Street Billiards, Monterey, California
March 16 thru April 10, 2018
Total Playing Days 18, Total Rest Days 8
100+ Ball Runs: Did Not Track
200+ Ball Runs: 23
300+ Ball Runs: 5
400+ Ball Runs: 0
500+ Ball Runs: 0
John Schmidt 14.1 Challenge II
Easy Street Billiards, Monterey, California
November 19 thru December 13, 2018
Total Playing Days 20, Total Rest Days 5
100+ Ball Runs: 45
200+ Ball Runs: 13
300+ Ball Runs: 4
400+ Ball Runs: 2
500+ Ball Runs: 0
John Schmidt 14.1 Challenge III
Bull Shooters Billiards, Phoenix, Arizona
March 20 thru April 17, 2019
Total Playing Days 25, Total Rest Days 4
100+ Ball Runs: 67
200+ Ball Runs: 8
300+ Ball Runs: 5
400+ Ball Runs: 1
500+ Ball Runs: 0
John Schmidt 14.1 Challenge IV
Easy Street Billiards, Monterey, California
May 8 thru June 4, 2019
Total Playing Days 16, Total Rest Days 4
100+ Ball Runs: 49
200+ Ball Runs: 8
300+ Ball Runs: 4
400+ Ball Runs: 2
600+ Ball Runs: 1
John Schmidt 14.1 Challenges I, II, III, IV
Grand Total Summary
Total Playing Days 79, Total Rest Days 21
100+ Ball Runs: 161
200+ Ball Runs: 52
300+ Ball Runs: 18
400+ Ball Runs: 5
600+ Ball Runs: 1
Also, here is the link to the Editor putting forums on blast....
http://www.billiardsdigest.com/showblogentry.php?id=401
I agree that this video distribution, whether pay per view, or traditional dvd release...or even a gofundme with different Tiers of sponsorship (just video, just dvd, dvd with signature, dvd with extra dvd/photo signed, etc) should've already been thought of and rolling by now.
Hell, Indy comic book artists are rasing hundreds of thousands of dollars before their book even comes out by holding gofundme or indiegogo funding campaigns.
John could've done that easily. That's how the BeCue guys got started....set a financial goal and start taking in the funds.
You are correct that peak interest has been met. Two cover stories on both billiard magazines. Slow dog days of summer for pool.
Now is the time.
Well, he's really butt hurt, I guess if you disagree with him your going to be the worst out of all the names in the book. hopefully, he sands his Revo and breaks with it. I'm betting there is a lot of anger in that stroke!
schmidt > mosconi
Do you have evidence to prove it?
That is an outstanding set of runs. Like someone else mentioned. ..even without the 626 to cap it off that is an accomplishment.
I know it wasn't in competition but that doesn't matter much to me, he still physically had to do it and it's almost the same as in a match once you get good on a break ball.
I know it wasn't in competition but that doesn't matter much to me, he still physically had to do it and it's almost the same as in a match once you get good on a break ball.
The Billiards Digest article is a good read and Mike Panozzo is probably the very pillar of pool journalism in America, but his suggestion that had an online community like AZB embraced the moment more, John's run would have been far more celebrated is nonsense of the highest order.
AZB isn't driving pool's publicity, just interpreting things that happen in the pool world. Billiards Digest, on the other hand, is driving pool's image in the eyes of those who follow the sport, and as a rule doing it very well.
The first published issue of BD after Schmidt's run was the July issue. I remember really looking forward to it. Surely, John was going to get the cover and this would give his accomplishment its most important publicity within our sport.
And then came the shock! The cover of the BD July issue featured a picture of a league team that had won a very big payout. John Schmidt's run from late May was merely noted in the bottom right hand corner of the front page, a small footnote compared to the major story of the performance of a league team. John's accomplishment didn't seem as important to BD as that of a league team. Hey, go figure.
I believe that their failure to give John the cover on the finest and most prominent publication in our sport was a major factor in why there was less buzz surrounding this accomplishment than there might have been. Yes, John got the cover of the August BD, but the buzz was almost gone by then.
BD's passing the buck, to some extent, to AZB for the lack of greater or better publicity is a bit silly, given that BD didn't see this moment as BD-cover-worthy at the time it happened.
AZB isn't driving pool's publicity, just interpreting things that happen in the pool world. Billiards Digest, on the other hand, is driving pool's image in the eyes of those who follow the sport, and as a rule doing it very well.
The first published issue of BD after Schmidt's run was the July issue. I remember really looking forward to it. Surely, John was going to get the cover and this would give his accomplishment its most important publicity within our sport.
And then came the shock! The cover of the BD July issue featured a picture of a league team that had won a very big payout. John Schmidt's run from late May was merely noted in the bottom right hand corner of the front page, a small footnote compared to the major story of the performance of a league team. John's accomplishment didn't seem as important to BD as that of a league team. Hey, go figure.
I believe that their failure to give John the cover on the finest and most prominent publication in our sport was a major factor in why there was less buzz surrounding this accomplishment than there might have been. Yes, John got the cover of the August BD, but the buzz was almost gone by then.
BD's passing the buck, to some extent, to AZB for the lack of greater or better publicity is a bit silly, given that BD didn't see this moment as BD-cover-worthy at the time it happened.
Well, Kid, I think it's a good piece on how it happened.
As to how to monetize the run, at this stage of the game I have no idea. Maybe he could team with Capelle and put out a combo deal of book with a DVD. I think Capelle did something like that with 9ball. Maybe get it out in time for Christmas.
Lou Figueroa
OK, now this piece is a different deal.
First off, I’m somewhat surprised that the publisher of BD would stoop to the level of name-calling, albeit disguised with a cockney accent.
Second, for someone supposedly well versed in the history of the game, I am also surprised he'd make a series of very specious arguments, such as:
“Mosconi conservatively played in hundreds of exhibitions, giving him hundreds of of opportunities to set records.”
No. He’d run 100 and quit to do his trick shots and then head off down the road to his next show in another town. There were no "hundreds of opportunities."
“As for not facing an opponent, we’re not being serious here, are we? Someone will have to explain to me the vast difference that must separate the propped up guppy that misses his first shot by a diamond and a half, while at the same time sending the remaining balls of the opening rack into a spread that would make Stevie Wonder lick his straight pool chops.”
This one is amazing in how profoundly inaccurate it is. Mosconi played whomever the room owner put up as an opponent and many of these guys could flat out play. Was there the occasional guppy? Sure. But there were also safety battles off the opening break and on occasion Mosconi’s opponent was of sufficient skill Mosconi would lose. Big difference from just racking, setting up your preferred break shot, and repeating when you miss.
“And after that first rack, absolutely nothing separates the obstacles faced by either Mosconi or Schmidt…”
This one is a bit of a face smacker because when Mosconi played he was playing in a different room, on a different table every night. There was the noise and movement distractions of a crowd and in all likelihood no ac during the summer months on the road. And there was certainly no Sardo and no racking at the wrong end of the table. Mosconi was probably not playing under perfect conditions anywhere he traveled.
Reading this piece made me wonder what our British cousins call “yellow journalism.”
Lou Figueroa
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I don't know what you mean here. The percentage of John's attempts that resulted in runs of less than 100 was a lot higher than 43%.
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It's not even close. Compare, in basketball, someone shooting free throws having a game on the line and only one chance to someone shooting free throws in his backyard with nothing at risk and all the attempts he wants...huge, infinite, difference. The difference determins champions.
Stu, that is such a simple and profound statement--if only everyone from the pros to the newest of forum members understood this, I believe the tensions would calm down and participation would be at an all time high.
Also, I'm guessing that BD had a due date for the magazine to be at the printers and John hit the record after that date. That's why the delay in the cover story, plus the compilation of all the contributing writers and statistics stuff.
But how powerful would that have been to skip the July issue and make a double sized, July/August commemoration issue for John and the record run?