Before 14.1, they played any ball, any pocket, then continued their runs with open 15 ball breaks.
Mr 714!!! Babe Ruth of Pool!
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Yes, but he was still on 714 after he finished the previous rack and 715 for a moment before the scratch. You could argue that the completed run was 713.
i've said many times that given opportunities and dedication, the players of today are well capable of breaking the record, because the level of play today is so high. but i'm a bit surprised that jayson did it. after all he is known for sometimes leaving himself long shots (which he spears in). what a phenomenal feat to go from 200 something to 407, and from 407 to 714.. within a day.
Just as a FYI since this topic of how a foul affects a run has come up before - here is a screen shot of a top application that many 14.1 leagues use. I hit the finish rack button four times for a run of 56, then hit scratch. Note the high run is 56, and the game score is 55. -
714 has a helluva ring to it if you were a Quaalude guy like me. lol
To clarify, regardless of skill level, everyone misses sometimes. Scratches end a lot of 14.1 high run attempts but so does mental fatigue. Often the shot that ends a run isn't particularly hard but the shooter tries to cheat the pocket a little too much or just plain misses. Shooting the simplest shots and patterns helps delay the onset of mental fatigue. It is obvious that Jayson stops and studies the table sometimes especially after a challenging break shot so he isn't free wheeling out in space somewhere, he worked pretty hard, my opinion harder than he had to. That much work could have resulted in an even higher score in all likelihood. I haven't seen the video of the scratch so I don't know if it was one that could be foreseen or one that was the result of contacts that couldn't be predicted but KISS is a big part of all pool and particularly of 14.1.
I think what he did was fantastic, I also think that he has greater potential. Hopefully this will become a yearly event! I would like to see someone buying a bond or insurance, whatever, and put a huge bonus on getting to 1000. I think that mark would fall in less than five years if they did. I don't think one person in a hundred expected Jayson to top seven hundred but it does show the potential out there. Could russian pyramid players or snooker players top these numbers? Hard to say but we just saw what a straight shooter that wasn't a 14.1 specialist could do.
Hu
This is not tournament 14.1. No modern 14.1 event would be played under these conditions. All you need to do to slow them down is tighten the pockets. If you make the pockets 4.25” for example it brings them back to planet earth. Or at least the stratosphere.
It’s no different than the top snooker players. If you watched them playing on club equipment with big pockets, you’d think they broke that game too.
Nah it's totally different than snooker. Snooker is great because it's so difficult. When straight pool is difficult it's no longer great.
That’s not what I was getting at. You were suggesting that these runs threaten the integrity of 14.1 competition. My point is that you just need to adjust the equipment to match the skill of the players. For these guys, 4.5” and even 4.25” pockets is still easy for them. You’d still be getting regular 50 and 100 ball runs.
BasementDweller said: "Monumental achievement for Shaw. Not such a great thing going forward for 14.1"
That conclusion can be shown to be totally wrong if the achievement and Bobby's commendable framework that enabled it, is intelligently marketed.
Even among the present pool of AZB regular posters there are folks with near-pro marketing chops as administrators of their own successful businesses. There is a whole world of professional marketers out there nationwide, specializing in sports.
Bobby and his team should right now be assiduously acquiring a "rolodex" of the ideal professional strategists to handle this. This is where Schmidt fell short. Don't have to make the same mistake -- the opportunity can be seized via a methodical, expertly-advised campaign and a professionally handled promotional process. Get some quotes and pitches and bring the right firm aboard.
Arnaldo
One issue they're going to have to deal with from a marketing standpoint is that this decades old record was broken and then broken again a relatively short time later. It dilutes the achievement and makes it less special. Will the NY Times run another article about the new record?
Perfectly stated. I was thinking the same thing but struggling with how to express it.
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The recent American 14.1 at QMaster was played on D'monds with ProCuts. Tough but fair. Filler ran like 209 and i find that to be awesome on those tables. Any smaller and the game gets kinda goofy imo. Especially for average recreational players. They can't make balls on buckets much less ProCuts.
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This would be assuming there was a tournament set up strictly for professionals and not using equipment from a pool hall. My point is that WST and IBSF snooker tournaments use tables that your average club snooker player would struggle to get a 20 break on. World Billiards uses tougher tournament tables to keep English Billiards watchable. If players are scoring so many points that it is nearly unwatchable, tighten the tables until it’s in a happy medium spot. For 14.1, we want 100 ball runs but we don’t want them in every other match.
In the last year of the DCC 14.1 Challenge, Dennis Orcullo ran 260 on 4.25 pockets. You might even see a 400 in a long match if there were long matches.
How about this: a round robin between the living 400-ball runners. Matches to 2000 points in ten sessions to 200 points each session. (Mark and continue which would allow a run of 2000.) This would likely result in a new competition high run which is currently at 200 (and out by Appleton).
I would love to see such an event. Even a 400 point round robin would be pretty epic.
