Mr. Mark Griffin & Mr. Bill Stork

[jason]

I'm ending it with Post number 100!

Case dismissed.

Edit: Post to 101

 

[spktur]

I suppose you're right as far as you go, but become aware that the laws of this country make fraud a crime punishable by fine or prison time and those laws do apply here and perhaps they should be on trial for false advertising, fraud and violation of an implied contract.

If there are laws broken, file charges and have him investigated by the authorities, if you think you have civil damages file suit. But the bottom line here is Mark Griffin is in charge of the BCAPL at the national level and he has the authority to ban you from the league and any other BCAPL functions and if you try to violate this ban forcibly could have you charged for that violation.

 

[JAM]

Must be a slow day on the forum. Every time I check in, this doggone thread is still on the front page. Man, oh, man, it's time to put this baby to bed.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

A Sincere Suggestion For Mr. McConnell:

You sound like a guy who might be coming to terms with the fact that you messed up. Stay with me, please.

There is quite a variety of free-thinking folks who are beholden to no one here on az, and a number have chimed in on this thread. As Beav pointed out, with just one exception, everyone is confident that you are in the wrong.

You have indicated that the nearest alternative league to you is 60 miles and a ferry ride away. You obviously are passionate about playing pool.

Here is my suggestion to you.

Over the next few months, go heavy into practicing and sharpening up your game. Stay away from the BCAPL league, then, why not request reinstatement into BCAPL?

You may come to find out that Mark and his group can be fair and may be inclined to give you another shot with them.

If you care to respond to this, do me a favor. Mull it over for a little while first.

Maybe there can be a good resolution after all. :thumbup:

Best,
Brian kc

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

1)Calling the 9-Ball or surrendering ball in hand when under the BCAPL Rules 9-Ball is not a call pocket game. 2)Over ten times on the BCAPL Web-Site the following statement is made 30 players and 6 teams of 4 players each make up a league the only place that it says anything else is for signing up a new league where you don't have 30 players yet but expect to before league starts in Sept. 3) The fact that the Web-Site states that the new rule book (Oct. 1, 2007) will govern ALLBCAPL play. and Mark Griffin adds the new book will ensure consistent application of the rules regardless of whether you play in a local, state, regional or national event. That includes the game called 9-Ball.

In one clear sentence, please describe the rule change that you say was so clearly spelled out.

 

[justnum]

To McConnell:

Well McConnell since you feel wrongly convicted of an offense you might not have committed, what do you think should have happened, after your suggestion was made and discussed among the league players you spoke with?

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

Yes, but only when the rules are obeyed because without them you don't have any game at all, do you?!! When you change one then you can change two and so on until you don't recognize the game anymore.

Mr. McConnell,

Do you love to shoot pool? Does it make you happy?

 

[HouTexPlayer]

I actually directed a friend of mine who's a lawyer to this thread so he could weigh on and give his opinion.

As soon as he stops rolling around on the floor laughing, I'll ask him to chime in.

Seriously? The best advice anyone has given is to let it go, pick up your stick and practice for a few months, calm down and then apply for reinstatement.

You're not going to win this one my friend and debating it in an open forum like this with the posts you've written is only lending credibility to the fact that the BCAPL did (at this time) make a good decision.

 

[MahnaMahna]

This week's award goes to...... C. Carl McConnell! Congrats!

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

Almost sounds like a loaded question but here goes. First, I should never have been de-sanctioned, and the league operator should have held a meeting to announce the results and a rule change back to the BCAPL 9-Ball Rules. Second, if your talking about the petition 54.17% were in favor as previousley stated. If your speaking of the de-sanctioning that same 54.17% think that I got a raw deal and are going to finish up this season and forget this league next year. So next year there probable will not be a league.

To McConnell:

Well McConnell since you feel wrongly convicted of an offense you might not have committed, what do you think should have happened, after your suggestion was made and discussed among the league players you spoke with?

 

[justnum]

Almost sounds like a loaded question but here goes. First, I should never have been de-sanctioned, and the league operator should have held a meeting to announce the results and a rule change back to the BCAPL 9-Ball Rulers. Second, if your talking about the petition 54.17% were in favor as previousley stated. If you speaking of the de-sanctioning that same 54.17% think that I got a raw deal and are going to finish up this season and forget this league next year.

For some reason that did not happen. But since you were able to convince a group of people for a change, sounds like you learned a new talent to apply in the future.

If I lost my league playing status, it would be tough to find players that are willing to agree to a specific set of rules to abide by.

It is great a situation like this did not turn you away from the billiard community, instead you pretty much opened right up to it.

The AZ mod is to thank for hosting the site for people to vent and support and discuss changes in league life and professional pool.

 

[tucson9ball]

Stork?

ROFL......every time I think of Bill Stock, I picture that old Disney cartoon about Robin Hood. He dresses up for an archery competition wearing stilts and a goofy long beak.

I start chuckling when I picture it. Thanks for the laugh...

Back to the OP, guess you will be joining APA, VNEA orsome other league?

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

Thanks! That was a relief!!

this week's award goes to...... C. Carl mcconnell! Congrats!

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

No other league available within driving distance except private ones. I'm already signed up!

ROFL......every time I think of Bill Stock, I picture that old Disney cartoon about Robin Hood. He dresses up for an archery competition wearing stilts and a goofy long beak.

I start chuckling when I picture it. Thanks for the laugh...

Back to the OP, guess you will be joining APA, VNEA orsome other league?

 

[ribdoner]

almost sounds like a loaded question but here goes. First, i should never have been de-sanctioned, and the league operator should have held a meeting to announce the results and a rule change back to the bcapl 9-ball rules. Second, if your talking about the petition 54.17% were in favor as previousley stated. if your speaking of the de-sanctioning that same 54.17% think that i got a raw deal and are going to finish up this season and forget this league next year. So next year there probable will not be a league.

bet?????????????

 

[justadub]

Almost sounds like a loaded question but here goes. First, I should never have been de-sanctioned, and the league operator should have held a meeting to announce the results and a rule change back to the BCAPL 9-Ball Rules. Second, if your talking about the petition 54.17% were in favor as previousley stated. If your speaking of the de-sanctioning that same 54.17% think that I got a raw deal and are going to finish up this season and forget this league next year. So next year there probable will not be a league.

Somehow you fail to realize that BCAPL isn't a democracy, so it doesn't matter if you had 97.16328945% agreement, they can do what they please with their league.

You can choose to play, or not play. Those are your choices.

Whoops, you don't even have that choice, now. Had you not created issues, you would have two choices. Now you have time to practice.

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

The new talent was truth and their motivation, the way the BCAPL treated me for attempting to correct a wrong to other people when they wouldn't.
I still believe that the BCAPL Rules are the best printed, if only they could read!
Yes but I would hope that it would be more of a positive nature but I guess that we need a place to vent also.

For some reason that did not happen. But since you were able to convince a group of people for a change, sounds like you learned a new talent to apply in the future.

If I lost my league playing status, it would be tough to find players that are willing to agree to a specific set of rules to abide by.

It is great a situation like this did not turn you away from the billiard community, instead you pretty much opened right up to it.

The AZ mod is to thank for hosting the site for people to vent and support and discuss changes in league life and professional pool.

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

Almost sounds like a loaded question but here goes. First, I should never have been de-sanctioned, and the league operator should have held a meeting to announce the results and a rule change back to the BCAPL 9-Ball Rules. Second, if your talking about the petition 54.17% were in favor as previousley stated. If you speaking of the de-sanctioning that same 54.17% think that I got a raw deal and are going to finish up this season and forget this league next year.

To McConnell:

Well McConnell since you feel wrongly convicted of an offense you might not have committed, what do you think should have happened, after your suggestion was made and discussed among the league players you spoke with?

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

No, the part about involving moral turpitude thru misrepresentation was about the league operator. And the calling of the 9-Ball is the biggest part of the game, no I will not find another activity!!

I stand corrected. You did mention the call 9 ball in your original post.

I was more focused, as I was weeding through all the gibberish and poor grammar, to find the main point of your post. I guess that was it, huh?

So, you accuse Mr. Griffin and Stock of being sneaky, underhanded, unprofessional, and engaging in illegal activity involving more turpitude or conduct dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation?

All over a rule to call the 9 ball or not? Please find another activity.

 

[C. Carl McConnell]

A-MEN Brother,
You hit the nail right on the head, Rules are rules, love'um, protect'um, use'um but don't abuse'um.
Thank You
Carl

I don't know the specifics of the OP's situation, other than wanting to make a change to the published rules of the BCAPL, so no comments about the personality/personal issues. I believe that one of the basic concepts of the BCAPL is to create a level playing field for every player, so that the same rules apply to every match every week, every tournament, all the way through to the nationals. It's really a way to protect players from the "sorry, but that's the way we do it here" response to a claimed violation of a local variation that's not part of the published rules. BCAPL has worked long and hard to create those standardized rules, so that the vitriolic disputes about rules that we see raised on AZB from time to time are not a regular part of their events. [run a search on "rules dispute" and have fun reading.] Nice to know that everyone playing their way into the nationals has done so with the exact same rules all year. And better to see that there's a national effort by BCAPL to enforce their vision of how to make the player's ability the only variable in a match. Not there yet, but this is a great place to start. Sorry if you don't like special sauce on your Big Mac, but you'll get it the same way at every McDonald's in the world, and you'll play by the same rules in every single BCAPL event. I think that's what is behind this, and I think it's past time for standard published rules to be enforced to keep rules sharking out of the pool hall.