No. I know what I asked and I know what answer you gave. I was expecting more, silly me.
My 2 cents on aiming systems
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Larry, I did try to teach you something in private. Do you remember? It didn't work. Why? Maybe me, maybe you.
But I did reach out to you and give it a try. Has anyone else done that for you in the other camp? I'll answer it for you...NO.
Has phreaticus ever actually talked pool and how his process is done or any others? NO. The fact that he does have only a few posts since joining yet insists on name calling and jumping into the fray regarding CTE and its users with nothing positive is not typical of a pool player who has curiosity about ways of playing the game and wants to discuss it peacefully. He is in fact an obsessed stalking troll.
Where in the hell are you suddenly coming from with all of this and why?
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Point out why in the form of a video with a full explanation while doing it. Your wordsmithing is old and moldy. I think it's far more exact than you randomly picking out a contact point on the OB, bobbing up and down like a lizard to made sure it's the right contact point, and then trying to strike it with an equal and opposite part of the CB while making more adjustments for every physical force of nature regarding spin, speed, squirt, swerve, Coriolis force, fan or air conditioning wind, and an imperfect stroke to top it off.
From: Patrick Johnson
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:32:45 -0500
Local: Tues, Sep 12 2000 3:32 pm
We've talked about this a few times. I prefer to sight down the
contact point-to-contact point line, but that puts my head in
different positions over the stick depending on the shot and can be
physically difficult for cue ball contact points "outside" the stick,
so I adjust it for comfort and consistency. I also like to move my
head back and forth to sight down more than one of the available
lines, including cue ball path, just for cross reference (I might look
a little like a lizard doing this). I like to know that my stick is
pointing where I want it to, but "sight down the stick" doesn't work
by itself for me.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
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Dave I do remember you trying to introduce me to pivots and aiming
we did it over the phone without visual and i did not get it
i did and do appreciate you taking the time to try .
i understand your passion for cte
i also have had a few conversations with cookie
you both know cte inside out and can be a wonderfull resource for anyone wishing to learn it or have questions
but unfortunately the feud between you and the nonbelievers is a never ending rinse and repeat of the same stuff
and always interferes with any meaningful discussion
for myself who is not in the ring fighting the movie gets old when its more or less the same stuff rinse and repeat
i have said before if the non believers would leave the cte people alone and vice versa
there could actually be constructive educational dialogue wiithin the various threads that come up
anyone who is even a casual viewer of the aiming section gets a feel for the arguments for and against
the non beleivers could even have a sticky on why cte is not valid
and the cte people could have their own sticky saying why it is valid
i have tried to get a truce but it has never been successful
so to answer your question dave about where am i coming from and why ?
as explained above the feud is nonproductive /has settled nothing /and adds nothing positive to the aiming section
i would like to see the aiming section be educational rather than a place to go when my popcorn is ready
jmho
icbw
sorry for the long reply
Don’t forget, after all this “ it has to look right” or I guess you stand up and do it all again
I already did.
My 2 cents on aiming systems
Funny ..I am a long time lurker and this will be about my second post ever here .but I've been trying to read thru the insanity on this section for days. After trying to digest how some folks are in love with aiming systems and some are...
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Their (and your) false claims were disputed. You took it personally. You obviously still do.
If you think a video is needed to “illustrate” something that’s obvious on its face, you’re revealing (yet again) your lack of basic aiming understanding.
pj
chgo
Yeah, that's what I figured from you. So, how about a video of you illustrating whatever the hell you want WITHOUT me?
It's been described to you many, many times - once again: "feel" in pool = practiced estimation, or "knowing it when you see it".
To learn practiced estimation, you have to practice estimating. If that's too complicated for you (even though you do it) I can't help - maybe a special needs teacher...
pj
chgo
Another 2 cents from John Disque:
Knowing it when you see WHAT? An imaginary contact point? An imaginary fraction? An imaginary arrow?
Why would I practice ESTIMATING when I can get ACCURATE VISUALS immediately using the edge of the CB, CCB, along with the OB edge and specific inner parts of the OB. They can be seen with my own eyes. Nothing estimated and NO FEEL.
What do you SEE when you line the CB EDGE up to the OB CENTER or OB 1/4 or OB 3/4? Is that estimated? Is FEEL involved?
Or is it right there in front of you jumping out at your thin pointy nose?
How about this one: Center CB lined up to the OB CENTER as in a dead straight in shot. (But it's not because there's a cut to one of the pockets). Inside edge of cue tip is placed at CCB and aimed at COB. Before stroking, the tip and butt is pivoted so that the CENTER of the TIP is now at CCB. Take the shot...shot goes in. Clearly visible. On more of a cut if needed. Same setup with inside edge of cue tip at CCB aimed at COB. Pivot tip and butt to the OUTSIDE edge of the tip is now at CCB. Take the shot...shot goes in. Sounds too simple and absurd, right? Of course it would to an all knowing genius hack like yourself. Too bad.
Balls go in. There's more for greater cut angles but this is enough.
Here you are ARGUING AGAINST FEEL years ago. But now, like a flag in the wind, you're blowing in another direction to argue against CTE because it suits your destructive agenda. I think you need a psychiatrist badly....
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From: Patrick Johnson <pjm...@concentric.net>
Date: 1998/12/08
Subject: Re: Aiming Technique
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Dale W. Baker wrote:
> David,
> If this method works for you, so be it. I don't believe there are too
> many players in this forum that will advocate such a method.
PJ:
This variation on the "ghost ball" method of aiming is discussed fairly
frequently here, and I recall several posters being in favor of it. It
doesn't have a particularly bad reputation that I know of, though it's
not my preferred method because I like to aim more directly at the
object ball contact point.
David:
> The aiming method should be by "feel". You get a sense for the target, and shoot.
PJ:
I don't agree. It's true that many players aim by "feel," but that
doesn't mean that every player "should" aim this way. And how is
anybody supposed to follow these instructions? "Get a sense for the
target and shoot?" What does that mean to anybody but you? Is it like
"You'll know it when you see it?"
I think a player should have an idea of what he's aiming at, and what
he's aiming at it. For instance, I aim the contact point on the cue
ball (which I have to imagine, because it's on the other side of the cue
ball) at the contact point on the object ball. To help me do this
accurately, I aim the cue stick at the point it would be touching on the
"ghost ball" (this is the imaginary ball sitting in the spot the cue
ball will occupy when it hits the object ball) as if I was shooting the
same shot with the two balls frozen together. (Of course, I adjust all
this for the combined effect of squirt, swerve and throw).
By the way, this isn't a complicated calculation of some kind that I do
while I'm aiming. I just try to point something (my stick and the cue
ball) at something (the ghost ball and object ball), rather than just
"feel" it. It sounds like David's trying to do that, too, and I say
it's the right thing to try to do.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
I argued against using only feel - not that you'd be expected to get that distinction.
Interesting that with your 25 years of collecting and archiving all my posts you don't seem to understand any of them. Maybe if you actually read them instead of just scanning for phrases that you can try to weaponize...
pj
chgo
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You are absolutely right. I should crack down on some of the more disrespectful users. Any thoughts on who I should start with?
I don't take it as an attack at all. The issue is stopping a handful of users from interacting with each other. I have limited methods to do that. I prefer not banning people, but sometimes I don't see an alternative. I do believe that they have decent information to share at times, but they are way too emotionally invested in their arguments.
Maybe it is just a case of them being better at playing the forum game and making themselves seem to be just valuable enough to the community to get away with their crap.
What I said then was I don't like using feel exclusively, without some CB/OB "landmarks" to help. What I say today is feel is inescapable, not that it should be used exclusively.
pj
chgo
I'll stick with my simple system, "hambone". Hit a million balls, plus one.
I tried. I gave up when it became apparent that you weren't going anywhere with what you were showing me, other than the fact that putting the ball 7 inches from the pocket means it will go in a lot. You then misrepresented my problem with the pivots I was doing early on off the rail. If you could simply explain your point it would be easier.
This is exactly the opposite of what you were saying at the time. You kept telling me the shots were being MISSED! I was in a state of disbelief because I knew for a fact that Ray Charles could have made a few of those shots.
You weren't too keen on doing it the first go around. It was like I was twisting your arm. Days went by without you posting anything back regarding what was happening successfully or unsuccessfully. Why put myself through that again?
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How about everyone except Bob Jewitt and Fatboy lol. Those two are pretty respectful 99% of the time.
How far along are you? Cause didn’t you say once before that you don’t play very good.