My Apology To Deno Andrews

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I've met Deno and he's a nice guy, that may be caught in an awkward position at present. He has never harmed me or spoken badly about me and I'm sorry that I posted that avatar depicting someone (something) that was clearly not Deno being held in KT's arms. Sometimes I cross the line in an attempt to get a laugh. I'd like to wish Deno well in these trying times and promise not to belittle him publicly in the future.

Doug
 
You Know Better Than I

Doug, say it ain't so.

Mike


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Originally Posted by Smorgass Bored
Sometimes I cross the line in an attempt to get a laugh.
Doug


OK,OK, so I'm not exactly an angel....
Doug
( but I'm persistent )
 
I believe Deno to be a good guy. And I think he is a loyal employee. His present situation has forced him to say some things he will regret.

It has all been done with the belief that he has had the opportunity to elevate pool to a new level.

Unfortunately, I think he is following the wrong leader.
 
Cuaba said:
I believe Deno to be a good guy. And I think he is a loyal employee. His present situation has forced him to say some things he will regret.

It has all been done with the belief that he has had the opportunity to elevate pool to a new level.

Unfortunately, I think he is following the wrong leader.
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I agree 100%.
Doug





(this killing time while waiting for KT's 'announcement is burdensome )
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
I agree 100%.
Doug





(this killing time while waiting for KT's 'announcement is burdensome )
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KT has done more for the professional pool player than any other human being alive or dead. Deno is a nice fellow and a stand-up guy. I appreciate the way he handles his personal and business affairs.

In all things, there are always critics some useful, some not so.

JoeyA
 
I met Deno in Atlanta earlier this year. He didn't have any obvious horns poking out of his head, nor a forked tail hanging out his ass. :P

He *is* in a rather crappy position right now, betwixt KT and his business plan shenanigans and everyone else.
 
Cuaba said:
I believe Deno to be a good guy. And I think he is a loyal employee. His present situation has forced him to say some things he will regret.

It has all been done with the belief that he has had the opportunity to elevate pool to a new level.

Unfortunately, I think he is following the wrong leader.
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"Just following orders".
 
JoeyA said:
KT has done more for the professional pool player than any other human being alive or dead. Deno is a nice fellow and a stand-up guy. I appreciate the way he handles his personal and business affairs.

In all things, there are always critics some useful, some not so.

JoeyA
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Joey,

You win the "Brown Nose Of The Year" award.
 
JoeyA said:
KT has done more for the professional pool player than any other human being alive or dead.
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Yeah, he flashed his cash in an attempt to pull off a smoke-and-mirrors flip job, found no buyer, set expectations no reasonable business plan could possibly sustain, and now he's playing "check's in the mail".

With friends like these......
 
JoeyA said:
KT has done more for the professional pool player than any other human being alive or dead. Deno is a nice fellow and a stand-up guy. I appreciate the way he handles his personal and business affairs.

In all things, there are always critics some useful, some not so.

JoeyA
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How has Kevin Trudeau helped pool players? By having a couple of successful tournaments and then putting them through all kinds of hell about being paid? Kevin Trudeau is not Mother Theresa although he is a mother. This is one guy not to be trusted, whether the IPT makes it or not.
 
JoeyA said:
KT has done more for the professional pool player than any other human being alive or dead.JoeyA
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Respectfully, if total prize money paid is the measure of what a man has contributed to the game, you should note that the PBT under Don Mackey paid out more prize money than the IPT has under Trudeau.

Don Mackey should be breathing a sigh of relief around now, as he may soon be viewed as having perpetrated just the second biggest swindle aganst pro pool players in the sport's history.

I'm delighted for the handful that made nice scores on this seemingly short-lived tour, but I think it's arguable whether Trudeau has contributed anything at all to pro pool.
 
Trudeau didn't just flash his cash, he spent it on the players and also paid the players. Despite the current situation Trudeau has spent more on the players and paid out more than any other tour in recent times.
 
Uh, Reyes was fondling bundles of cash for the cameras in Reno ---- where.....is.....THAT....cash???? If it ain't in players hands, it was flashed for show.
 
Roadie said:
Trudeau didn't just flash his cash, he spent it on the players and also paid the players. Despite the current situation Trudeau has spent more on the players and paid out more than any other tour in recent times.
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This is false. In the years 1996-98, the PBT was a 16 event tour with 100,000 added in every event. Fields were very large and entry fees were $500, so the payout was about 150,000 per event, or 2.4 Million per year. Hence, in those three years alone, the PBT paid over 7 million in prizes....and those weren't the only years in which the PBT existed.
 
sjm said:
Respectfully, if total prize money paid is the measure of what a man has contributed to the game, you should note that the PBT under Don Mackey paid out more prize money than the IPT has under Trudeau.

Don Mackey should be breathing a sigh of relief around now, as he may soon be viewed as having perpetrated just the second biggest swindle aganst pro pool players in the sport's history.

I'm delighted for the handful that made nice scores on this seemingly short-lived tour, but I think it's arguable whether Trudeau has contributed anything at all to pro pool.
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Don Mackey did not pay out that money. The PBT paid out the money that was gathered through entry fees from the players and sponsorships. Don Mackey never reached into the coffers of any enterprise he had built to finance the PBT as Trudeau has done. Mr. Mackey criminally misappropriated the funds that belonged to the players.

At this moment the players are owed prize money that was promised to them on the condition of participation by Mr. Trudeau. I believe this to be a legal obligation. However, if Mr. Trudeau cannot satisfy that obligation due to insolvency then the difference lies with intent. At this point there is no evidence that Mr. Trudeau intended to criminally deceive the players. Perhaps he is guilty of being overambitious in his plans.

Yes, the players have been enticed with "too-good-to-be-true" promises. On net however the players have not been asked to part with more money than the IPT has paid out. Apart from those that played in qualifiers the 2006 IPT Card Holders were only required to foot the bill for their expenses at the venues, just as they are at every other tournament with far less reward. They weren't required to stay at the host hotel or spend any money at the venue at all. They weren't required to dress up in the uniform of the casino.

If Trudeau fails to pay the last tourament's prize fund then he has absconded with the bulk of his own money and very little of the total participant's money in the IPT adventure.

A poor state of affairs and bad business, but hardly a swindle, at least for the players.
 
ribdoner said:
What was the outcome of MACKEY's criminal act? Did he do time? Thanks
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What was the nature of the act? I know he sued Camel. Did he keep the settlement money -Was that it?
 
Roadie said:
Don Mackey did not pay out that money. The PBT paid out the money that was gathered through entry fees from the players and sponsorships. Don Mackey never reached into the coffers of any enterprise he had built to finance the PBT as Trudeau has done. Mr. Mackey criminally misappropriated the funds that belonged to the players.

At this moment the players are owed prize money that was promised to them on the condition of participation by Mr. Trudeau. I believe this to be a legal obligation. However, if Mr. Trudeau cannot satisfy that obligation due to insolvency then the difference lies with intent. At this point there is no evidence that Mr. Trudeau intended to criminally deceive the players. Perhaps he is guilty of being overambitious in his plans.

Yes, the players have been enticed with "too-good-to-be-true" promises. On net however the players have not been asked to part with more money than the IPT has paid out. Apart from those that played in qualifiers the 2006 IPT Card Holders were only required to foot the bill for their expenses at the venues, just as they are at every other tournament with far less reward. They weren't required to stay at the host hotel or spend any money at the venue at all. They weren't required to dress up in the uniform of the casino.

If Trudeau fails to pay the last tourament's prize fund then he has absconded with the bulk of his own money and very little of the total participant's money in the IPT adventure.

A poor state of affairs and bad business, but hardly a swindle, at least for the players.
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A nice, well-reasoned post, Roadie. As you point out, there is a distinction between what a sponsored pool organization pays and what the sole proprietor of an otherwise unfunded pool organization pays. Thanks for your insights.
 
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