My BHE video

I always like your videos, Mike. I like your voice inflection the most. Easy to listen to.

I think we've been saying all along the cue / pivot point matter for all BHE techniques. Once that pivot distance is figured, it reduces the amount of adjustments dramatically (there are still intuitive adjustments no matter what).

If you do another video without the pivot device and align the camera so you hit the ball directly towards the camera (so we can see your alignment), it'd be great to aim center/center with a traditional non-pivot method and see how many times you can replicate the results. (whew that was a long sentence). Do the same with BHE.

I think BHE can be demonstrated on video as well as any other technique. You can lock in the aim by creating a row of balls to shoot through, pivot and fire. Nice video, good job.
 
DTL said:
I like your little device. I assume, at the proper pivot point for any given cue, that the OB will come straight back whether you're using center, left, or right english.....right? If so, please demonstrate with your playing cue.
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Hey now.... When I finally dig out the time to do a little video, you guys gotta stop seeing it and asking me to do another ;-).

What you say is more or less true. A small complication is that because of object ball throw, a cueball hit with left sidespin needs to strike the cueball slightly right of full for the cueball to stop or come straight back. That shouldn't be a big effect at the distance I use, though.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I think BHE can be demonstrated on video as well as any other technique. You can lock in the aim by creating a row of balls to shoot through, pivot and fire. Nice video, good job.
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Mike's video is a good example of the kind of thing you have to do to create a video that actually shows something. Specifically, he used a mechanical device and marks on the table to show that he's pivoting at the same distance from the CB each time.

But even this video, created by somebody (Mike) who understands how to set up a valid test, doesn't have all the "controls" necessary to make it a really valid comparison of the squirt the two cues generate. To make it really valid, Mike would have had to show:

(1) that the two balls are placed in exactly the same places both times (he could do that by placing them on hole reinforcers)

(2) that his tip contacts the CB in exactly the same place both times (he could do that that by using a marked CB oriented the same way both times and showing the chalk mark afterward)

I know Mike knows this; my point isn't to criticize his video, which was a casual demonstration. My point is to take this opportunity to show why videos of somebody firing shots in and saying how they're doing it (far less control than demonstrated in Mike's video) don't come anywhere near the precision and control necessary to actually demonstrate what's being done.

That's what we mean when we say your videos of making shots don't show how you do it. "Locking in the aim by creating a row of balls to shoot through, pivoting and firing" won't do it either.

pj
chgo
 
I hope this comment isn't directed at my video of BHE????

Patrick Johnson said:
Mike's video is a good example of the kind of thing you have to do to create a video that actually shows something. Specifically, he used a mechanical device and marks on the table to show that he's pivoting at the same distance from the CB each time.

But even this video, created by somebody (Mike) who understands how to set up a valid test, doesn't have all the "controls" necessary to make it a really valid comparison of the squirt the two cues generate. To make it really valid, Mike would have had to show:

(1) that the two balls are placed in exactly the same places both times (he could do that by placing them on hole reinforcers)

(2) that his tip contacts the CB in exactly the same place both times (he could do that that by using a marked CB oriented the same way both times and showing the chalk mark afterward)

I know Mike knows this; my point isn't to criticize his video, which was a casual demonstration. My point is to take this opportunity to show why videos of somebody firing shots in and saying how they're doing it (far less control than demonstrated in Mike's video) don't come anywhere near the precision and control necessary to actually demonstrate what's being done.

That's what we mean when we say your videos of making shots don't show how you do it. "Locking in the aim by creating a row of balls to shoot through, pivoting and firing" won't do it either.

pj
chgo
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In my video, I use a wet finger to mark the place on the felt to make sure the balls are in EXACTLY the same spot.

You can see by the cue stick laying on the table that both my bridge hand and initial aimline are the same on all three shots, you can even tell somewhat that I hit the balls the approximate same force....

So, like I said, I hope that wasn't a comment on my vid and thread (that crazily to me is still going) because under the circumstances and with what controls were available to me, I'd like to see someone do a better job.

Well, that's enough posting for me right now, I need to go play some.

Jaden.

p.s. btw mike great vid.....I couldn't hear it though because my video card is screwing up....
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Mike's video is a good example of the kind of thing you have to do to create a video that actually shows something. Specifically, he used a mechanical device and marks on the table to show that he's pivoting at the same distance from the CB each time.

But even this video, created by somebody (Mike) who understands how to set up a valid test, doesn't have all the "controls" necessary to make it a really valid comparison of the squirt the two cues generate. To make it really valid, Mike would have had to show:

(1) that the two balls are placed in exactly the same places both times (he could do that by placing them on hole reinforcers)

(2) that his tip contacts the CB in exactly the same place both times (he could do that that by using a marked CB oriented the same way both times and showing the chalk mark afterward)

I know Mike knows this; my point isn't to criticize his video, which was a casual demonstration. My point is to take this opportunity to show why videos of somebody firing shots in and saying how they're doing it (far less control than demonstrated in Mike's video) don't come anywhere near the precision and control necessary to actually demonstrate what's being done.

That's what we mean when we say your videos of making shots don't show how you do it. "Locking in the aim by creating a row of balls to shoot through, pivoting and firing" won't do it either.

pj
chgo
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Not sure what your point is. He could use his little device somewhere on that cue and the ball's going. You keep saying these things as if people say zero adjustment is needed with bhe. You just have less to think about with it. He proved the cues weren't equal - that's all... but I think that was the theme of his video.
 
Mr. Page: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I had the same thoughts PJ did while watching the video, but it is good enough to prove the point. So much of the aiming system debate ignores cue differences.

That's why one person can validly say,"Hey, this system works," and another can (validly) say, "Hey, no it doesn't."

What is that bridge gizmo and where did you get it? Did you make it?
 
Shaft said:
Mr. Page: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I had the same thoughts PJ did while watching the video, but it is good enough to prove the point. So much of the aiming system debate ignores cue differences.

That's why one person can validly say,"Hey, this system works," and another can (validly) say, "Hey, no it doesn't."

What is that bridge gizmo and where did you get it? Did you make it?
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aiming systems are center ball systems...fyi...cues dont matter. we're talking about bhe.
 
Me:
My point is to take this opportunity to show why videos of somebody firing shots in and saying how they're doing it (far less control than demonstrated in Mike's video) don't come anywhere near the precision and control necessary to actually demonstrate what's being done.
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SpiderDave:
Not sure what your point is.
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LOL. Unbelievable.

pj
chgo
 
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Mike,

You have shown that cues have different amounts of squirt. We all know this.

But cue ball speed, cloth condition and how you grip the cue affects how much squirt there is as well.

I think everyone knows that you have to get used to how your cue plays.

Buddy Hall came into my booth once and tried out the Bunjee Jumper. He took three or four shots, missed them and said that he had figured out the cue and then proceeded to make jump shots that the rest of us could only dream of. With Buddy shooting it looked like he was using a regular cue and there was no blocking ball. He drew the cue ball table length, played jump shots with three-rail shape, and prety much made everything he shot at. It was an awesome display of how quickly a top notch pro can lock into how a cue plays.

I love the way you do videos though and it's the way we should all do them to show the measurements and repeatability.

More PLEASE!!!

I was also impressed by the OB1's negative squirt!
 
Well here you go.....

duckie said:
I want a real world video. Show me a video playing 8 ball and using BHE.
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Here is a video I made last night playing out a rack of eightball. I used BHE on EVERY shot, the shot on the fifteen (I believe it was the fifteen) in the side that I missed twice I normally wouldn't have bothered to use BHE, and on really slow shots like that one, I wouldn't normally use it; however, this is a good illustration of BHE in a real world environment.

Jaden

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hG_hP8zro
 
Thanks, that helps me. I've been watching the players where I go to see if any use BHE, now I have a better idea what to look for.
 
mikepage said:
Here are a few comments on aim&pivot english. Sure, I use an object ball to amplify what the cueball is doing, but it's pretty far away --and this is slick new cloth so swerve is pretty much nill at these speeds. And it's just a comparison of two sticks anyway.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2161792837865502183&hl=en
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So there really is a such a thing as low deflection shafts.... Thanks for the tutorial i am ordering my Predator 314z today=))
 
mikepage said:
Here are a few comments on aim&pivot english. Sure, I use an object ball to amplify what the cueball is doing, but it's pretty far away --and this is slick new cloth so swerve is pretty much nill at these speeds. And it's just a comparison of two sticks anyway.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2161792837865502183&hl=en
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Mike,

As always, excellent video!

I have a long list of videos I want to film after my shoulder heals. One is a demonstration of how bridge length, cue endmass, swerve (which varies with cue elevation, amount and type of English, shot speed and distance, and ball/cloth conditions), and throw (which varies with cut angle, speed, type and amount of spin and English, and ball conditions) affect the use of BHE. Maybe Colin can also film something showing how he uses his formulas to account for all of these effects.

Regards,
Dave

PS: FYI, I have links to resources and videos related to BHE from you, me, Jaden, Colin, Joe, and others here:
to make it easy for people to find them.
 
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