My cry for help. lol

[Fatboy]

fatboy,

Despite your lies about only dealing with the lowlifes you sent me a catalog when I was on workman's comp years ago. Seems you sought out those that might be desperate too, regardless of their credit rating. My credit rating was extremely high at the time and I never paid anything late the entire time I was off work.

Your catalog had close to a half-page of very fine print for your disclaimer. Buried deep in the fine print was the acknowledgement that your credit card was only good for your crap and the rates were beyond ridiculous.

When I stated you bought stuff for crap prices and sold it for gold prices I am talking about specific items in your catalog. The exact same items were $3.00 to $7.00 at the weekly local junk auction brand new. You had it priced from just under forty dollars to almost seventy. If you think that is 70% profit your math is a hell of a lot worse than your spelling.

You are foolish to keep calling me because I'll bust you for what you are every time and you aren't much.

Hu

your right, i'm a low life dumb guy. cant spell. dont have any friends. i just suck...




Nathan,

if I can help you my email is EP90210@hotmail.com, please contact me there, sorry about Hu(nothing I can do about that but reply and then drop it).

I know Mika, he is a great person. I would love to help you anyway possible. The rule of thumb is if its gonna sell it will sell itself(think of the oldest profession), if it needs help to sell you just have to make sure that you spend less to make a sale than it costs you, sounds obvious and it is, yet we all fall for something sometimes, Advertizing agencys, magazine advert salesmen etc play(exploit) on your weakness, my weakness and talk us into throwing good $$$ after bad-dont let them fool you. like I said its a delicate balance. Truth be told I got lucky to be where I am, I knew we had a good formula in 96, what I didnt know was how big the market was. The thing your fighting and hence my last post to you "Welcome to pool" is its a very small market, porn is huge for obvious reasons-a larger market-same for credit.

best

eric

 

[ShootingArts]

Sorry

Ahh...lol...my thread turned into a drama fest.

Guys...I do appreciate your help prior to this little argument...but maybe you could settle this via PM?

I do apologize for dumping that into your thread. However he has PM's turned off so if he wants to play drama queen on the forums that is the only place it can be played out.

Hu

Edit in response to fatboy's edit: fatboy, you can do whatever you like, send BS PM's and rep notes, edit posts to revise history, whatever. The truth remains the same and two can play the edit game. Pretty damned silly isn't it? At the end of the day I am still me and you are still you and you are absolutely right, it sucks to be you. All the money and toys and you are still the most miserable person I have ever ran across. You at least had my sympathy and pity until you attacked my friends and myself. Now you are just one more smelly bump in the road.

 

[Fatboy]

I do apologize for dumping that into your thread. However he has PM's turned off so if he wants to play drama queen on the forums that is the only place it can be played out.

Hu

Edit in response to fatboy's edit: fatboy, you can do whatever you like, send BS PM's and rep notes, edit posts to revise history, whatever. The truth remains the same and two can play the edit game. Pretty damned silly isn't it? At the end of the day I am still me and you are still you and you are absolutely right, it sucks to be you. All the money and toys and you are still the most miserable person I have ever ran across. You at least had my sympathy and pity until you attacked my friends and myself. Now you are just one more smelly bump in the road.

702-241-8000 or EP90210@hotmail.com<----------- no excues now, the only way you got a catalog is if you paid the membership fee, did you?

 

[Da Bank]

702-241-8000 or EP90210@hotmail.com<----------- no excues now, the only way you got a catalog is if you paid the membership fee, did you?

Both of you need to shut it up immediately and settle this somewhere else. You are jacking the thread of an individual who is looking for help and someone who is doing some great things for pool.

You want to make it an issue, start your own thread about how you hate shootingarts and shootingarts could do the same about you and see where that leads you... nowhere. You couldn't even get away with this crap in your own thread, so both of you had to jack this one. Get off it, you aren't proving anything to anyone because the only two people reading your posts on this issue with any interest whatsoever are you two.

I replied to your PM, Nathan... let me know if you need help with anything at all.

 

[ShootingArts]

A lie and sucker bait

702-241-8000 or EP90210@hotmail.com<----------- no excues now, the only way you got a catalog is if you paid the membership fee, did you?

First off, having to be a member to get a catalog is a flat lie, that certainly has not always been the case. You bragged about sending out 1.4 million mailings a month all over the US except where you were banned from doing business, remember? The catalog came after you obtained a mailing list, almost certainly one that was originally stolen since it would have had to come originally from a government agency.

As for giving you my e-mail, that will be a blue day in hell. You make a major portion of your income by selling mailing lists according to your own claims. Also your private messages are sick and vindictive as were posts on this forum that have been deleted. I'm not giving you an e-mail to do a reverse search on.

You want to talk privately, turn on PM's. I'm not stupid enough to give you my e-mail or phone numbers that you have been fishing for for months now.

Hu

 

[Fatboy]

First off, having to be a member to get a catalog is a flat lie, that certainly has not always been the case. You bragged about sending out 1.4 million mailings a month all over the US except where you were banned from doing business, remember? The catalog came after you obtained a mailing list, almost certainly one that was originally stolen since it would have had to come originally from a government agency.

As for giving you my e-mail, that will be a blue day in hell. You make a major portion of your income by selling mailing lists according to your own claims. Also your private messages are sick and vindictive as were posts on this forum that have been deleted. I'm not giving you an e-mail to do a reverse search on.

You want to talk privately, turn on PM's. I'm not stupid enough to give you my e-mail or phone numbers that you have been fishing for for months now.

Hu

never sent a a catalog to anyone but a member, i dont care about your # or email, call me from a private # if you want(didnt think of that did u?), we sent 1.4M solications/mo not caalogs, that was too much $$$, catalog was named New You Living. and believe me if I really wanted to find you I would have long ago, you mean shit to me.


this is over unless you contact me, why u started this here is beyond me,


I appologise to all, i'm done with this thread.

 

[MilwShooter]

msmilwshooter (my wife) has a degree in marketing and business management and her job is business to business, I can pass your information on to her if you'd like. Her first question or 2 will be "Do you have/What is your business plan?"

 

[Black-Balled]

I still think you dump everything on hand and move on...

I came up with a good name for your new venture: Intrinsic Billiards.

 

[Cory in DC]

Both of you need to shut it up immediately and settle this somewhere else. You are jacking the thread of an individual who is looking for help and someone who is doing some great things for pool.

What Da Bank said!

 

[scottjen26]

Have to add my 2 cents on the videos. A friend had the first one and I watched it, information was too basic for me to buy it but I wanted to see the production etc. Very well put together, the shot sequences with Mika were great, and a lot of great information for beginners. I can only assume the second and third DVDs are equally well put together, and I may even pick up the third one.

One comment - another poster joked about youtube, but maybe it would be worth it to post a clip or two from the DVDs there and have a link to where you can get more information and buy the DVDs. I think once people see the information contained in the DVDs and the production quality the product will sell itself.

Best of luck to you!
Scott

 

[nathandumoulin]

I still think you dump everything on hand and move on.

I don't understand this suggestion. I make fairly good money off these DVDs, so why would I dump them and move on? I appreciate the suggestion, but I just don't see how this relates to marketing them.

Have to add my 2 cents on the videos. A friend had the first one and I watched it, information was too basic for me to buy it but I wanted to see the production etc. Very well put together, the shot sequences with Mika were great, and a lot of great information for beginners. I can only assume the second and third DVDs are equally well put together, and I may even pick up the third one.

Yeah, Volume 1 is very basic, but then again, I guess that's the whole point of a Beginner Level volume. You try to keep the beginner playing simple shots so that he/she can get comfortable with table before introducing any confusing concepts (such as English or something). A strong foundation goes a long way.

 

[berlowmj2]

youtube

For those of you who don't know, I've produced a series of movies that feature Mika Immonen (www.mastering-pool.com). The result of my efforts has been more than satisfactory, meaning that the movies themselves have surpassed expectation.....however now that they're complete, it's become quite clear that I have absolutely no idea how to market these movies.

Filming, editing, scripting, graphics....these are all things Im good at. When it comes to marketing the finished product, I'd rather leave this job to someone who knows what they're doing. Preferably someone who does this sort of thing for a living, and also knows the billiard industry.

So my question is this. Can anyone here please advise/suggest/direct me on how I can get these movies to the mainstream? Pool & Billiard Magazine reviewed them as the best instructional DVDs on the market in last months issue, so I know that they're good enough for the mainstream audience. The problem is getting them there. Ideally I'd like to acquire the contact info for a person or company that I can hire to take care of this sort of thing for me.

(The same applies to my new upcoming pool movie, as discussed here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=141733)


EDIT:

So far I've tried running ads in international Pool Magazines. This works, but its *expensive*. About $2000 for a full page. Its not a cost effective solution. Ive also started doing the trade show thing. The one thats going on in Vegas right now has a Mezz Cues booth, that has part of it dedicated to my DVDs, including a giant banner ad. My DVDs are also on amazon.com, target.com, seyberts, and will appear in the upcoming distributor catalogs for CueStix and Accustats.

Put some trailers on Youtube. Its free.

 

[mlalum]

in the publication/media product business the majority of marketing dollars are spent at launch. the product launches and then more money is spent during the release phase. in most cases the majority of the product units are sold then or shortly after. as the sales start to lessen the marketing dollars go away. the marketing money is being spent on the next product where the bigger sales potential is. professional don't spend marketing dollars chasing small sales.

the idea of hiring people and placing ads doesn't make any business sense at this point. ESPECIALLY if your making fairly good money as you say. you have to analyse the cost of sales.

(people relaunch products but you need a hook/marketing reason for the relaunch.)

the good news is you have all the marketing tools at your disposal that you need to continue to sell this product. And they really don't cost anything but your time, etc.

the bad news is you're very unlikely to see a spike in sales. the market is tiny. the product is aging. competition is on the way. a lot of people on this site will give you false hope. a business person knows nothing sells itself. authors and editor wildly overestimate the value of what they produce. in business nothing matters about the product except if someone will click that send button and send you money for a copy of the DVD. everything else is just smoke.

your tagline on the forums is probably your best marketing tool. I agree that teasers on youtube is a good free marketing tool. alot of it just depends on Mika and what he does. if the pool vendors are carrying it for you and you can show it at the vegas shows well there's not much else to do at this point except look for viral marketing opportunities and free partnerships.

But don't spend any sort of substancial dollars on marketing now. It just lowers your margin per unit.

like all business propositions do the numbers and don't get caught up in emotion of being the creator.

 

[Scaramouche]

Get Canada Billiards to give a promotion sample CD of Mika's videos with every table sold. :grin:

Seems to me that you want to get your videos in stores that sell billiard supplies.

You have one selling point that others do not have - Anyone who has watched pool tournaments on sports channels will have seen Mika winning.

Lots of potential vendors around Toronto, most with web catalogues

Paragon - I think they are on Steeles
FG Bradleys - Sherway and Fairview Shopping Centres - sells the Black Crown table used in Mika's video
Hallmark - Brunswick dealer - Dixie Rd -
Mr Billiard - Mississauga

db cues in Milton
http://www.dbcues.com/

Canadian Poolplayers Associatation/APA has a youtube channel featuring Dr Cue and The Black Widow, so you see the problem selling to organized players - You are not officially blessed :grin:

 

[ShootingArts]

some good thoughts

Some good thoughts but I don't know if Nathan will see them. This is an over year old thread that came back to life.

Hu

 

[D_Lewis]

PM sent to Nathan.

 

[justadub]

I realize this is an old thread, but it just reappeared here and I wasn't on the boards at that time. I'll throw my .02 in.

I think tapping into the leagues is a good grass roots level way of getting the word out there, to the very place you will likely get many of your customers for an instructional video set. Obviously APA, being the biggest and the most beginner-level, but use the same approach and try the whole alphabet soup-BCAPL, VNEA, TAP, e-i-e-i-ohhhhh.

The trick is how to get the leagues to work with you. Offer them sets to use for prize packages in exchange for flyer stuffing, and/or placement on tournament programs, web sites, etc. As someone else suggested, try to actually be at the larger tournaments with a table and video display, and most certainly use Mika and/or Venom if at all feasible and possible. If you can get one of the leagues to play along, use that to work the others. ("I'm at the APA tournament next week, would you like me to be at your tournament next month?") Perhaps sponsoring events, as well, though I believe just working the event in exchange for prizes would be a better use of expense-dollars. Maybe a combination of both, sponsorhip and table-space.

I guess the message is to "be out there" as much as possible. Which is no doubt a tough thing to do with the rest of life's schedules.

I think the leagues are a virtually un-tapped resource. If you can work with them, you have a HUGE customer base at your fingertips.

I wish you luck, Nathan. I hope you succeed.

 

[genomachino]

I feel your pain.......

For those of you who don't know, I've produced a series of movies that feature Mika Immonen (www.mastering-pool.com). The result of my efforts has been more than satisfactory, meaning that the movies themselves have surpassed expectation.....however now that they're complete, it's become quite clear that I have absolutely no idea how to market these movies.

Filming, editing, scripting, graphics....these are all things Im good at. When it comes to marketing the finished product, I'd rather leave this job to someone who knows what they're doing. Preferably someone who does this sort of thing for a living, and also knows the billiard industry.

So my question is this. Can anyone here please advise/suggest/direct me on how I can get these movies to the mainstream? Pool & Billiard Magazine reviewed them as the best instructional DVDs on the market in last months issue, so I know that they're good enough for the mainstream audience. The problem is getting them there. Ideally I'd like to acquire the contact info for a person or company that I can hire to take care of this sort of thing for me.

(The same applies to my new upcoming pool movie, as discussed here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=141733)


EDIT:

So far I've tried running ads in international Pool Magazines. This works, but its *expensive*. About $2000 for a full page. Its not a cost effective solution. Ive also started doing the trade show thing. The one thats going on in Vegas right now has a Mezz Cues booth, that has part of it dedicated to my DVDs, including a giant banner ad. My DVDs are also on amazon.com, target.com, seyberts, and will appear in the upcoming distributor catalogs for CueStix and Accustats.

If you find the answer let me know.........

 

[nathandumoulin]

Whoa! Someone revived this year old thread.

It's a good reminder though, as I never did pursue half the great suggestions that were made. Now that I have a new product in the works and have some extra help, I should finally be able to implement some of these ideas for its October launch date.

I can't say exactly what I'm up to, but I promise something absolutely massive is on the way. No instructionals, no trickshots....this new project is directed at the serious enthusiast. Expect a complete and comprehensive face lift in billiard related media coverage come this fall.

Thanks to everyone for their support. :thumbup:

 

[ShootingArts]

good luck!

Whoa! Someone revived this year old thread.

It's a good reminder though, as I never did pursue half the great suggestions that were made. Now that I have a new product in the works and have some extra help, I should finally be able to implement some of these ideas for its October launch date.

I can't say exactly what I'm up to, but I promise something absolutely massive is on the way. No instructionals, no trickshots....this new project is directed at the serious enthusiast. Expect a complete and comprehensive face lift in billiard related media coverage come this fall.

Thanks to everyone for their support. :thumbup:

I'll be waiting with Smorg's "baited breath"!

Hu