My New J. Flowers Case

lets just cut the bs......

I will speak for myself here. First I apologized to you in the initial private email exchange for jumping to the conclusion that your post was motivated by your association with TAR and the fact that Jack Justis donated a case to TAR. That was 100% WRONG of me to make that assumption and I will publicly repeat the same apology I gave to you in private.

That said I still feel as I told you in private email that you are or should be well aware of all the negativity between Jack and I over the name and look of the cases. There was no need whatsoever to even ask any question about the word "tribute" in this thread. Dan Avsec was just showing off a case and that's where it should have been left at.

You introduced a negative even if you don't see it that way. Roadie responded and then Jack jumped in to make another accusation that he can't back up. I asked Jack to leave me and threads about my products alone.

So, again I apologize for accusing you in private email of stirring the pot between Jack and I. The things I said about Jack are no different than what I have stated publicly so they stand as said. I hope that you can see that your question, no matter how innocent, would have been better suited to another thread on the subject of "tribute" products. I think that this IS a worthy topic to discuss. Just not in my customer's thread where he is happy to show off a case.

As Roadie said, it wouldn't go down very well at all if someone else posted in a Justis Case bragging thread how much it looked like a Jay Flowers' case. I think we would all agree that such a comment, whether valid or not, would be out of place and negative.

fact...i asked a question about your product to the person that bought your product!fact..jack justis name was never brought up! fact....you get in my ass about me asking the question in this thread!!! quick question what thread should i ask it in? i have a question may i make a jon barton tribute case and sell them?oh and by the way i would have asked the same question if jack or dennis cases ended up in a tribute.....oh wait they dont make tribute cases. you have a unique way of marketing your product i will give you that. but i in no way shape or form deserve th effire you shot at me for asking a legit amit question! and i can tell by the pms and the posative rep about 95% of az thinks so also. let me know on that jon barton tribute case!
 
John you know what I would say if your customers are happy what else is important, as one person once say in a famous quote.

"Imitation is the highest form of flattery"



Plus sometime the Imitation contains improvement on the initial design.:wink:

but then, he only hates john barton. he even made a deal with someone who copied his cases..... but still nothing like the real thing. and as pricey as the real thing with less tooling
 
why is the truth "negativity" thats all i want to know in your email you take the fact of me asking a legitamate question about the word tribute and where it went, spun it to a teardown of jack justis and me! now my question is turned into"negativity" why is that? i apolagize for having asked a question about your case in this thread, it is a beautiful case and i hope he loves it! i guess i am just a few of the negative ones that questioned something you do! sorry i never flamed your thread when it first started thought it was a noble idea! turnss out the idea was more noble than the outcome! im sorry mr. barton i wont question anything you do again!



fact...i asked a question about your product to the person that bought your product!fact..jack justis name was never brought up! fact....you get in my ass about me asking the question in this thread!!! quick question what thread should i ask it in? i have a question may i make a jon barton tribute case and sell them?oh and by the way i would have asked the same question if jack or dennis cases ended up in a tribute.....oh wait they dont make tribute cases. you have a unique way of marketing your product i will give you that. but i in no way shape or form deserve th effire you shot at me for asking a legit amit question! and i can tell by the pms and the posative rep about 95% of az thinks so also. let me know on that jon barton tribute case!

i thought you wouldnt question him again? are you on drugs? lol
 
Okay. Not to poke the bear, but ....

I dont' think that cue cases need to be 'bullet-proof'. I treat my cases with cues inside with the respect that they deserve. I don't throw my case. I don't drop my case. I don't put my case in the back seat of a car and drive down a bumpy road. Maybe roads are different in North Carolina, but ....

I think most of use respect and handle our equipment with the care that they reserve and a lot of the 'protection' that JB espouses is OverKill and JJ has it pretty much right on.

Just my Humble Opinion.

See. There you went and poked the bear. Damn, don't you know by now???
 
fact...i asked a question about your product to the person that bought your product!fact..jack justis name was never brought up! fact....you get in my ass about me asking the question in this thread!!! quick question what thread should i ask it in? i have a question may i make a jon barton tribute case and sell them?oh and by the way i would have asked the same question if jack or dennis cases ended up in a tribute.....oh wait they dont make tribute cases. you have a unique way of marketing your product i will give you that. but i in no way shape or form deserve th effire you shot at me for asking a legit amit question! and i can tell by the pms and the posative rep about 95% of az thinks so also. let me know on that jon barton tribute case!

What is your problem? I apologized to you. If you can't see that your comment was not necessary to the thread then I can't really help you there.

Let me see if I can make it a little clearer for you - A guy rolls up in his new Corvette and everyone else is admiring it and telling him how pretty it is and you start going off about GM's business practices.

You might be right and GM might be the worst car company on Earth but AT THAT MOMENT you don't need to hijack the guy's great feeling about showing off his dream car.

As for the John Barton tribute case - go ahead. Would you like some names of some factories who would be happy to slap any brand on whatever you want to order? Jack Justis can supply you with one. The Long Chan Cue Case factory in China will be more than happy to make you a case with whatever name you want on it.

Go for it. If you make one or 1000 it won't make a difference. All I would do is acknowledge them on my website, dissect them as to the quality, and live with them if they are a legal brand.

The tone of your comments here seem to indicate that you DO have a problem with me using "J.Flowers" with or without the word "tribute" attached to it. And if so then AGAIN while you points may or may not have any merit they should have been saved for ANOTHER discussion at another time.

You asked, what thread should you have asked your question in? How about simply starting a NEW TOPIC? I am not the only person who does "tribute" products and it's a subject worthy of discussion.

As to the PMs you say that indicate that 95% of AZ agrees with you? On what exactly? That you had a right to ask a question? If so of course you have the right to ask a question, of me or anyone, at any time. Should you exercise that right and spoil some one else's good experience?

I think you know the answer to that.

Or do you really have a problem with the brand "J.Flowers" with or without the word tribute attached to it? And now you feel that 95% of AZ agrees with you on however you feel about it?

Don't act like you have been deluged with PMs and pats on the back over this. 95% of AZ could care less about what brand is on a cue case. But if you feel validated and strong now then good for you.

I hope no one spoiled you fun by sending you a PM or an email telling you they thought that you should have kept your comments to yourself.

As for me personally, I think you should have as well but in the end it led to some illumination on what our cases are about in comparison to Jack's regardless of what the brand is.

Now, the 95% of AZ that you say is reading this topic can see for themselves what makes a good case in my opinion and they can make an informed choice next time they want a new case. Maybe if you can make that John Barton brand of case that you mentioned and you are smart enough to copy the essential things that make it a "Barton" case you will be the one who gets that informed consumer's business.

Sincerely,

John Barton, maker of JB Cases, J.Flowers cases, Sterling Wave case, etc...
 
all i can say is almost every, and i mean every cue maker has made a szamboti tribute cue or bushka tribute cue so whats the problem with making a flowers tribute cue this whole thread has almost turned into a witch hunt and im pretty sure the person who started this thread was only trying to show of his new case, and by the way nice case newstroke
 
ya im the 1 with the problem here

i thought you wouldnt question him again? are you on drugs? lol

yes sir i must be to have a legitamate question! when did i say anything about the case and craftsmanship oh thats right i didnt or havent!
 
yes sir i must be to have a legitamate question! when did i say anything about the case and craftsmanship oh thats right i didnt or havent!

And again NO ONE said you did.

Are you really that dense Chad?

No one said you said ANYTHING about the case and the craftsmanship AND that is the WHOLE PROBLEM RIGHT THERE.

You made a comment that had NOTHING to do with the case or the craftsmanship.

Your comment was directed at the BRAND that is one the case.

So it was negative in an other wise POSITIVE thread.

Your question was NOT directed at the original poster. It was directed at me as evidenced by your snide comments about not questioning what I do.

So don't play coy and act like you were just asking a legitimate question. You were stirring the shit pure and simple and you are continuing to do it. And the FACT is that you are either deluding yourself or are too socially inept to understand that you were impolite at best with your "question".

Get it now???
 
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