My One Pocket Concept.......Long

1 Pocket Ghost

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I’ve wanted to post this for a long time and never have, but this current ‘one pocket concept’ discussion has finally gotten me to….First off I just want to say that like Grady and some others, I think that one pocket is one of the greatest, game/sports in the world and all of us pool players who learn to play it are blessed - and it’s a shame that outside of our pool subculture no one in the world even knows that there is a game called one pocket and how significant as a challenging/complex sporting endeavor it is…..Secondly let me say that I apologize if I sound ‘too strongly opinionated’ or boastful on this thread, but it ‘comes with the territory’ in order for me to get my points across and to establish credibility for my one pocket knowledge/opinions/concept.

In the past 35 years I’ve both watched and played one pocket against: Efren, Jose Parica, Grady, Jack Cooney, Cliff (many times), Johnny Ervolino, Bugs (many times), Artie, Cornbread Red, Miami, Buddy Hall, Nick Varner, Shannon D. and many more top players both past and present…..I’ve also played my buddy Freddy the Beard dozens of times and we’ve also been partners many times playing partners one pocket – let me just say that we made pretty good partners, ie. we didn’t fight too much – but when we did occasionally disagree strongly on a shot choice there could be some yelling and smug/indignant stares at each other ^_^…….Anyway, with all those years of playing experience combined with my own strategy analysis and vision of the game, I feel very strongly that I know the correct way (i.e. Concept) to play one pocket….I have, and currently do, teach/give one pocket lessons according to my personal concept of the game, including having given lessons to one of the top 12 current one pocket players…..And also for the record, my one pocket teaching and one pocket philosophy/visualizing were highly spoken of by George Fels in one of his Billiards Digest columns last year.

All of that said, I just want to share the foundation of my one pocket teaching philosophy…..
……First off I want to say that I’ve been annoyed for years by all of this debating about which is right, or better, the Chicago/Philly/Old School never shoot at your hole squeeze style of one pocket, or the so-called modern/left coast aggressive fire at your hole style of one pocket….Well, the reason it bugs me is because this ongoing debate speaks as if these are the only two philosophies to subscribe to, when in fact neither style is correct – the correct way to play one pocket is a combination of both of those styles….

…..When playing/thinking at the very highest level of one pocket, you will have a perfect melding of those two styles in your head to employ every time that you step to the table – also, to play one pocket at this level you need a very high level of creativity/imagination….Which of these styles will take precedence on any one inning of yours at the table will be constantly in flux.

Your shot choice should always be predicated on your correct analysis of several factors, the main ones being: Table layout, ball score, match score, and the one pocket style, skill level, heart, and ego size of your opponent….And of course all shot choices must factor in your own skill set/abilities.

The first thing that I tell a new one pocket student of mine is that I can sum up ‘my concept’/how I believe correct one pocket should be played in two words – Smartly Aggressive….In other words, every time that you step to the table (unless you're in a death trap) you should be ferociously looking to attack - but if you can’t find a viable offensive shot, then you don’t force the issue – that’s where the smart part comes in…..Instead, play a suffocating safety, and if that’s not possible then at least re-position the ball layout in some way that helps your cause…i.e. tie up balls on his side or open up balls or banking/shooting lanes on your side of the table…….I’m a big pro football fan, and as such I’ve always drawn a parallel in my mind between one pocket players and pro football quarterbacks – quarterbacks have to read the field like we read the table and then make a decision to act…and their ‘opponent’ is the cornerbacks and safeties, and again like we one pocket players analyze our opponent, a quarterback needs to know the tendencies of different defensive backs and defensive schemes used against him….Now a young quarterback who throws 25-30 picks in a season by ‘forcing’ passes is just like the overly aggressive one pocket player going for a too-low percentage shot and selling out…..To keep my football analogy going, if you want to play one pocket at the highest level and as it should be played, just play it the way Joe Montana played quarterback…^_^

Back to shot choices…..Your first desired shot choice is of course to pocket a ball in your pocket…whether you should choose this option in a given situation depends on two factors: ‘makeability’ percentage and the risk/reward equation…..There’s no time to go into this completely, but for an example, here is an interesting risk/reward comparison combined with the makeability factor, that uses mathematical/strategic one pocket though processing to consider the situations: In one scenario, you have a shot that you are 90% likely to make in your pocket – by making it, you can run two balls and you will leave two balls for your opponent to pocket if you miss….In the second scenario, you have a shot that you are 70% likely to make in your pocket, but you will be able to easily run five balls if you make it and leave just one ball for your opponent to pocket if you miss…In each of these two situations I would say going for the shot is a good risk/reward choice, and I think the two very different situations are fairly equal choices when compared to each other viability-wise.

Anyway, I’ve gone on too long already, but this is an overview of my ‘concept’ of correct one pocket play. To go any further, we would have to be on a table and analyze specific game situations. Anyone who would like to pm me about any of this, feel free to.

Good luck with your one pocket game……………….Ghost
 
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1 Pocket Ghost said:
I’ve wanted to post this for a long time and never have, but this current ‘one pocket concept’ discussion has finally gotten me to….First off I just want to say that like Grady and some others, I think that one pocket is one of the greatest, game/sports in the world and all of us pool players who learn to play it are blessed - and it’s a shame that outside of our pool subculture no one in the world even knows that there is a game called one pocket and how significant as a challenging/complex sporting endeavor it is…..Secondly let me say that I apologize if I sound ‘too strongly opinionated’ or boastful on this thread, but it ‘comes with the territory’ in order for me to get my points across and to establish credibility for my one pocket knowledge/opinions/concept.

In the past 35 years I’ve both watched and played one pocket against: Efren, Jose Parica, Grady, Jack Cooney, Cliff (many times), Johnny Ervolino, Bugs (many times), Artie, Cornbread Red, Miami, Buddy Hall, Nick Varner, Shannon D. and many more top players both past and present…..I’ve also played my buddy Freddy the Beard dozens of times and we’ve also been partners many times playing partners one pocket – let me just say that we made pretty good partners, ie. we didn’t fight too much – but when we did occasionally disagree strongly on a shot choice there could be some yelling and smug/indignant stares at each other ^_^…….Anyway, with all those years of playing experience combined with my own strategy analysis and vision of the game, I feel very strongly that I know the correct way (i.e. Concept) to play one pocket….I have, and currently do, teach/give one pocket lessons according to my personal concept of the game, including having given lessons to one of the top 12 current one pocket players…..And also for the record, my one pocket teaching and one pocket philosophy/visualizing were highly spoken of by George Fels in one of his Billiards Digest columns last year.

All of that said, I just want to share the foundation of my one pocket teaching philosophy…..
……First off I want to say that I’ve been annoyed for years by all of this debating about which is right, or better, the Chicago/Philly/Old School never shoot at your hole squeeze style of one pocket, or the so-called modern/left coast aggressive fire at your hole style of one pocket….Well, the reason it bugs me is because this ongoing debate speaks as if these are the only two philosophies to subscribe to, when if fact neither style is correct – the correct way to play one pocket is a combination of both of those styles….

…..When playing/thinking at the very highest level of one pocket, you will have a perfect melding of those two styles in your head to employ every time that you step to the table – also, to play one pocket at this level you need a very high level of creativity/imagination….Which of these styles will take precedence on any one inning of yours at the table will be constantly in flux.

Your shot choice should always be predicated on your correct analysis of several factors, the main ones being: Table layout, ball score, match score, and the one pocket style, skill level, heart, and ego size of your opponent….And of course all shot choices must factor in your own skill set/abilities.

The first thing that I tell a new one pocket student of mine is that I can sum up ‘my concept’/how I believe correct one pocket should be played in two words – Smartly Aggressive….In other words, every time that you step to the table (unless your in a death trap) you should be ferociously looking to attack - but if you can’t find a viable offensive shot, then you don’t force the issue – that’s where the smart part comes in…..Instead, play a suffocating safety, and if that’s not possible then at least re-position the ball layout in some way that helps your cause…i.e. tie up balls on his side or open up balls or banking/shooting lanes on your side of the table…….I’m a big pro football fan, and as such I’ve always drawn a parallel in my mind between one pocket players and pro football quarterbacks – quarterbacks have to read the field like we read the table and then make a decision to act…and their ‘opponent’ is the cornerbacks and safeties, and again like we one pocket players analyze our opponent, a quarterback needs to know the tendencies of different defensive backs and defensive schemes used against him….Now a young quarterback who throws 25-30 picks in a season by ‘forcing’ passes is just like the overly aggressive one pocket player going for a too-low percentage shot and selling out…..To keep my football analogy going, if you want to play one pocket at the highest level and as it should be played, just play it the way Joe Montana played quarterback…^_^

Back to shot choices…..Your first desired shot choice is of course to pocket a ball in your pocket…whether you should choose this option in a given situation depends on two factors: ‘makeability’ percentage and the risk/reward equation…..There’s no time to go into this completely, but for an example, here is an interesting risk/reward comparison combined with the makeability factor, that uses mathematical/strategic one pocket though processing to consider the situations: In one scenario, you have a shot that you are 90% likely to make in your pocket – by making it, you can run two balls and you will leave two balls for your opponent to pocket if you miss….In the second scenario, you have a shot that you are 70% likely to make in your pocket, but you will be able to easily run five balls if you make it and leave just one ball for your opponent to pocket if you miss…In each of these two situations I would say going for the shot is a good risk/reward choice, and I think the two very different situations are fairly equal choices when compared to each other viability-wise.

Anyway, I’ve gone on too long already, but this is an overview of my ‘concept’ of correct one pocket play. To go any further, we would have to be on a table and analyze specific game situations. Anyone who would like to pm me about any of this, feel free to.

Good luck with your one pocket game……………….Ghost

Great post. I still want to play some, but am now thinking I might need a little something. John Henderson
 
jrhendy said:
Great post. I still want to play some, but am now thinking I might need a little something. John Henderson


I've played with both of you. You guys can play even. Remember John, it's all about execution. You can know everything in the world about One Pocket, when to shoot, when to duck etc. But you still must be able to make the shot when it comes up. Some can and some get broke trying.
 
jay helfert said:
I've played with both of you. You guys can play even. Remember John, it's all about execution. You can know everything in the world about One Pocket, when to shoot, when to duck etc. But you still must be able to make the shot when it comes up. Some can and some get broke trying.

Execution is the most important, I agree. Even bad decisions can be rewarded with great execution.

I've played a lot more one pocket in this last year, than I ever used to. I love the game. It feels like I'm playing one pocket, until I get open and then it's "straight pool" time, breaking balls and running them. Then I switch back into safe mode. When this style isn't working out, I'll switch into more of a long game mode where the game seems to go in stages. For example, stage 1: the balls are in the rack around the spot, stage 2: the balls spread towards each others pockets, stage 3: the balls move up to the middle of the table, stage 4: the balls move up to the end rail, and then the balls are brought back up table to begin stage 1 again. I use balls to move the cue down to the rail under the rack repeatedly, waiting for opportunity to knock... Either way, execution is critical.
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
...Good luck with your one pocket game……………….Ghost

ghost,
Luck is nice; but instruction is better:) :) .

I was very dismayed that more people at DCC did not get to check out Grady coaching me in a game of one-pocket. I am a complete novice; but with Grady coaching (and of course explaining the "correct" moves as they arose) we were able to hold our own against a much more skillful one pocket player.

I cannot recommend Grady's lessons highly enough for those of you interested in improving your one pocket skills. I learned more in an hour with Grady than I did from several one pocket books I have studied.

I think your "concept" is unquestionably sound. Please visit Betmore's Basement if you are in the area; I may be new at the game, but definitely enthusiastic.
 
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Ghost... no way did you go on too long. Keep going! Let it ALL out. Or, better for you, put yours in a book too. There are many of us out here have no way to avail ourselves to quality play/players and we'd buy this stuff. Look what's happened to Robin's stuff.

Anyway.... Thanks for giving up what you have.
 
I can sum up ‘my concept’/how I believe correct one pocket should be played in two words – Smartly Aggressive….In other words, every time that you step to the table (unless you're in a death trap) you should be ferociously looking to attack - but if you can’t find a viable offensive shot, then you don’t force the issue – that’s where the smart part comes in…..Instead, play a suffocating safety, and if that’s not possible then at least re-position the ball layout in some way that helps your cause…i……….Ghost[/QUOTE]



Well Stated.:cool:
 
jrhendy said:
Great post. I still want to play some, but am now thinking I might need a little something. John Henderson


John....Thanks.......You don't need anything from me though - don't forget, I never said that I could execute the shots that I teach......^_^
 
Thanks Ghost.

Ghost,
Thanks for writing all of that down and sharing it with all of us. I consider it to be a free and valuable lesson for me, but couldn't you have just told me that a long time ago without suffocating me on the table all the time? After all of that I think I am going to need my old spot back! Just kidding. Hopefully next time we play I will keep everything you said in my mind and try to execute even though I have no chance against you. Thanks for another great lesson.

P.S. Tell Jessica Alba I said hi. Better yet, I'm going to slip over there and pay her a visit while you are at the pool hall.
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
John....Thanks.......You don't need anything from me though - don't forget, I never said that I could execute the shots that I teach......^_^

Ghost, what is John Zaksas' one pocket game like nowadays?
 
1 Pocket Ghost said:
In the second scenario, you have a shot that you are 70% likely to make in your pocket, but you will be able to easily run five balls if you make it and leave just one ball for your opponent to pocket if you miss…In each of these two situations I would say going for the shot is a good risk/reward choice, and I think the two very different situations are fairly equal choices when compared to each other viability-wise.

I think this is where players get into trouble with Efren. They're looking at this 70% shot and think that they're only leaving him one ball to shoot at when they miss. Then he gets up, makes that ball and then figures out a way to get the other 6 as well.

Thanks for the great post.
Ken
 
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