My opinion on jerkoffs that lay a spread.

[Snapshot9]

This is why!!!!

God gave you a brain!!! To use it to your advantage to figure out who is being straight with you and who isn't....

When I grew up, it was 'Let the buyer beware'. (remember that saying)

Now, the general attitude about everything is, 'Let the seller be responsible'.

My advice is older yet, 'If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is'.

 

[poolfire]

oh lol

Sorry PJ, I thought most everyone one here would know what that is. Apparantly not after reading the replys.

FYI Scott and Jim, nope didn't bite on it, but was really disgusted with the attempt. Someone did bite and paid for it but it wasnt me.

Example of laying the spread. I will use myself and Blackjack because I know he wont mind.

I decide to go to Florida to play. Blackjack and I decide to make a "Fake" matchup and make sure everyone in the room heres the spot and the monopoly money we are playing for. For example, Dave is gonna spot me the 5 out and the breaks for 1K sets.

I let Blackjack just totally annihilate me. Meanwhile "Johnny Mark" sees this happen and now is interested in playing me after witnessing the spectacle.

Now all of a sudden I am getting a spot from some guy that actually doesn't play as well as me because of my planned deceit, and rob and demoralize him. This is flat out wrong for this great game we play. This is not pool its larceny, and not any different than robbing the 7-11.

I dont have any problems with matching up and gambling that is way different than laying the spread.

If this is the kind of antics that are going to continue in american pool there is no shot to go mainstream PERIOD

You probably mean when shane and scooter were playing.... my thoughts exactly.

 

[desert1pocket]

Laying out a spread is a dirty low-life thing to do, and I will never be party to any such dealings. That being said, I have no sympathy for those who get sucked in by those kind of scams. Anyone trying for the easy money that gets taken is just as responsible as the scam artist. Never bet more than you can afford to lose, and don't try to take advantage of others, and it will never be a problem for you.

 

[av84fun]

QUOTE=SPINDOKTOR]I agree, live and learn....is it so hard to say no? Obviously by your example, you thought you had the upper hand....so you was going to do to this person what they did to you... You got suckered because they played on your greed. you seen this guy get clobbered, and wanted to join in on the fun... otherwise you wouldnt have played.

This to me is obvious, if Im wrong ok, sorry bout your bad luck, but I dont think its nessasary to start a thread about you loosing a bet.

For all I know this guy could have been playing his heart out, and when he got to you, he finaly caught a gear.. Ive had this happen, I played a guy for 6 hours before he finaly started to play, to late for him, but he did get some money back. you cant prove otherwise, so id let it go..

D O N T B L A M E Y O R E N E M Y F O R U S I N G Y O U R W E A K N E S S A G A I N S T Y O U.

SPINDOKTOR

OK, one last time for those that have a hard time comprehending the english language..I did not lose a penny in this scam I witnessed. I was not involved at all with the party that took the bait.. Does this make it clear for those confused by the english language?[/QUOTE]

But what's your point?

 

[ribdoner]

If peeps don't care about their dime jump up, be somebody and put it in action.

If you do care I've got some advice: DUE DILIGENCE

 

[Fatboy]

In the movie "The Flim Flam Man" George C Scott said the only reason you can cheat someone is because they think that they are cheating you. I don't know if that was the exact wordiing but it basically says the same thing. After I seen that movie I got a whole new outlook on things: There is no free lunch.

when 15 years ago I was a con-artist telemarketer, something I'm not proud of there was 2 facts: 1. Buyers are liars 2. Ther greedier they are the harder they fall. Everyone I scammed was thinking they were taking down the company I worked for, for big $$$ or something else, they were looking for a free lunch. Mine wasnt free either I carry the guilt and emotional scars of what I did-I still dream of it often, I destroyed people, I was another person then, a person I hate. Perhaps thats why I dont care when I lose playing pool or feel good when I win, its all the same with me now, i'm jaded.

 

[Fixer]

You stole my life.

I love to win though, and as long as the guy knows what he is doing, thinks his spot is ok and is well good for it I dont mind money on the table. I am however a bit soft - gotta work on my killer instinct.

 

[cincyman]

when 15 years ago I was a con-artist telemarketer, something I'm not proud of there was 2 facts: 1. Buyers are liars 2. Ther greedier they are the harder they fall. Everyone I scammed was thinking they were taking down the company I worked for, for big $$$ or something else, they were looking for a free lunch. Mine wasnt free either I carry the guilt and emotional scars of what I did-I still dream of it often, I destroyed people, I was another person then, a person I hate. Perhaps thats why I dont care when I lose playing pool or feel good when I win, its all the same with me now, i'm jaded.

LOL you are truly something!!!

 

[cincyman]

But yet this is a post from FB in another thread to me ---lol


"in a race to 10 for $100 I like Morra. That was my point, he is in too deep, I did the same thing when I was 18 or 19, i stepped up to fast got my dick knocked it the dirt, picked up the pieces and now I can play for anything-it didnt happen over night for me, Justian is doing something I couldnt do when I was 20-good for him. Morra just needs to work on his mental game he is capable of playing alot better that he has, the bet, cameras something is throwing him off way-off. What the hell donty I know, and Cincydude if your so smart how come you aint rich?"read the last line.

that from a guy who "feels bad"
__________________

 

[cincyman]

here was my reply might get more views here------

LOL hopefully this comment of "how come you aint rich" will tarnish your rep forever on here ,,, Good Move.

Well first off who says i aint rich, because i dont mention it every post?

2nd back to topic you said Morra should start off small with $100 sets lol,
Come on Dude even your pal Jay has to agree that, that is the dumbest comment ever. And i mean Ever. Saying that is like saying the kid just learned how to play yesterday or something.

3rd As far you you know i am not rich because i have a concious and dont rip off people to make myself rich. I am married to a lawyer you does nothing but defend people against predatory lending anf fight against predatory lending companies.

SOOOOO i know all about your kind, even thought you have Az fooled with your " i am just a nice guy helping people out" bit --- One thing you forgot was I am an expert and know better and knwo what you do and guess what i would rather be poor and live in a box than do that.

I have a great life and we give to charity and help others out and it makes me feel good and not once do i say to my friends or people who have less than me....... " you must not be smart because your not rich" like you said to me


In closing
Thanks for showing everyone on AZ your true colors .

p.s. I might be border line rich!!!

 

[cincyman]

and in case you need to catch up or wonder why i posted this please first read this thread
titled ----Bergman 44 Morra 25

dont know how to put a link up or i would!!!!

 

[Koopa]

Sorry PJ, I thought most everyone one here would know what that is. Apparantly not after reading the replys.

FYI Scott and Jim, nope didn't bite on it, but was really disgusted with the attempt. Someone did bite and paid for it but it wasnt me.

Example of laying the spread. I will use myself and Blackjack because I know he wont mind.

I decide to go to Florida to play. Blackjack and I decide to make a "Fake" matchup and make sure everyone in the room heres the spot and the monopoly money we are playing for. For example, Dave is gonna spot me the 5 out and the breaks for 1K sets.

I let Blackjack just totally annihilate me. Meanwhile "Johnny Mark" sees this happen and now is interested in playing me after witnessing the spectacle.

Now all of a sudden I am getting a spot from some guy that actually doesn't play as well as me because of my planned deceit, and rob and demoralize him. This is flat out wrong for this great game we play. This is not pool its larceny, and not any different than robbing the 7-11.

I dont have any problems with matching up and gambling that is way different than laying the spread.

If this is the kind of antics that are going to continue in american pool there is no shot to go mainstream PERIOD

I disagree with you here. I think these kind of antics and the reputation behind pool that DOES interest the public. Just look at the movies about the game that have gotten people into the pool rooms.

The problem is the reputation scares away sponsors. But what good are sponsors when America isn't interested in plain old vanilla pool?

And sorry that I assumed you were the one that took the bait. You just seemed to be taking it very personally for someone who wasn't the victim.

 

[junksecret]

proud of my poolroom upbringing...

My earlier post touched on it, but I'm proud of growing up in a poolroom...playing in one, working in one...because from witnessing these "deceptions", falling victim to these deceptions, made me very street smart....A skill I find useful everyday. I don't fault that hustle any more than any others. I mean the extreme examples are getting cut-up in a ring game, or gettin' dumped as a backer, these are far "dirtier" than just disquising your speed...but even these teach you, if you're in a ring game, it's POSSIBLE to get cut-up. If you're backin' someone it's POSSIBLE you're gettin' dumped. If you match up thinkin' someone plays a certain speed, it don't make it so.

You use the rest of your brain to figure out how you like it, and you're in or you're out, just like most decisions in the world.

just IMHO

joe

 

[sydbarret]

 

[SJDinPHX]

Attaboy Joe !!!

My earlier post touched on it, but I'm proud of growing up in a poolroom...playing in one, working in one...because from witnessing these "deceptions", falling victim to these deceptions, made me very street smart....A skill I find useful everyday. I don't fault that hustle any more than any others. I mean the extreme examples are getting cut-up in a ring game, or gettin' dumped as a backer, these are far "dirtier" than just disquising your speed...but even these teach you, if you're in a ring game, it's POSSIBLE to get cut-up. If you're backin' someone it's POSSIBLE you're gettin' dumped. If you match up thinkin' someone plays a certain speed, it don't make it so.

You use the rest of your brain to figure out how you like it, and you're in or you're out, just like most decisions in the world.

just IMHO

joe

Well put Joe, Deceptive speed practices have been around forever in all
skill sports (bowling, golf, pool, etc) and all the moralists in the world aren't
going to change anything. Until you've been "dumped" for your cash,
by a supposed friend, you don't know what rage is. All the rest is fun and
games. Man up and learn to defend yourselves!!

Dick

PS Anyone up for a little 3 Card Monty ???

 

[fan-tum]

Sorry PJ, I thought most everyone one here would know what that is. Apparantly not after reading the replys.

FYI Scott and Jim, nope didn't bite on it, but was really disgusted with the attempt. Someone did bite and paid for it but it wasnt me.

Example of laying the spread. I will use myself and Blackjack because I know he wont mind.

I decide to go to Florida to play. Blackjack and I decide to make a "Fake" matchup and make sure everyone in the room heres the spot and the monopoly money we are playing for. For example, Dave is gonna spot me the 5 out and the breaks for 1K sets.

I let Blackjack just totally annihilate me. Meanwhile "Johnny Mark" sees this happen and now is interested in playing me after witnessing the spectacle.

Now all of a sudden I am getting a spot from some guy that actually doesn't play as well as me because of my planned deceit, and rob and demoralize him. This is flat out wrong for this great game we play. This is not pool its larceny, and not any different than robbing the 7-11.

I dont have any problems with matching up and gambling that is way different than laying the spread.

If this is the kind of antics that are going to continue in american pool there is no shot to go mainstream PERIOD

In your scenario, are we to sympathize with Johnny Mack? I don't think so. If you don't know who you're gambling with, good luck.

 

[asiasdad]

I mean, would you rather buy a car from an honest salesman who cares about what you can handle or would you rather buy a car from a salesman who is brilliant at hustling people into a vehicle they cannot afford?

After 21 years in the car business, I have yet to meet the first
salesman you have described.

Danny
(no longer in the car business)

 

[asiasdad]

1. Buyers are liars 2. Ther greedier they are the harder they fall..

We said that in the car business also.

If anyone is interested in a good inside
look of the car business, find the
movie SUCKERS

That movie has actually been
used in sales training meetings in
some dealerships I have worked in.

Danny

 

[memikey]

Alright, well If you witnessed the whole thing going down why didnt you warn the guy?

If one of my buddies was about to loose his rent money, Id try to talk him out of the match if I knew the guy might be trying to hustle..

This is like someone watching someone load the gun, and point it, but only complain about the murder after it happened. Thats my impression, thats my opinion, I have said all Im going to, I know its awful, I feel for the guy, but it does take two to tango.. Unless someone forced him to play, I just think friends dont let friends get hustled..If you see it comming let it be known......

It's not difficult to see why Scottster has got a little frustrated with some azbers' inability to read and understand what he's posted.

What part of Scottster's clarification"I was not involved at all with the party that took the bait" can possibly have given you the impression that the hustled mark was a friend of his?

Setting aside for the moment the fact that the mark was not his friend and quite apart from the fact that it's not normally very advisable to go uninvitedly butting into the money match arrangements of others in a pool room.......what part of anything Scottster has posted suggests that Scottster could "see it coming" anyway? What he posted simply states what happened, it doesn't say he saw it coming. It should be clear to readers that there's every likelihood Scottster quite possibly didn't see it coming, certainly not before the con man showed his true speed and therefore not early enough to have given out advice to the mark anyway, even if he had been a friend.

As regards the con I don't see the basic underlying principles at work here as being very much different from simply hiding your speed until you find a match you really like and don't see why one is reprehensible and the other not, which some people seem to think

I'm not sure if Scottster feels that "laying a spread" deserves special condemnation over and above all the other pool hustles but personally would have thought it difficult to justify singling out one con over many others. It's either "ok" to hustle or it's not, there isn't some "honour amongst thieves" code at work here

Good thread

 

[freddy the beard]

Definition of a spread

I posted this definition on my blog, www.secretsofahardcorepoolhustler.blogspot.com/ about a week ago.

Hustler talk:
"Laying out a spread."
A ploy used to lure a victim into a bad game or trap. It's lIke laying out a banquet spread on a buffet table, seemingly with all kinds of goodies to choose from. But when you go to bite into something it bites back. 'Frisco Jack Cooney was the acknowledged master of this manuever. I also used this move to beat Archie The Greek Karas out of 200 grand.

As you can probably tell, I also ascribe to the caveat emptor line of thought, "Let the buyer beware."