My recent thoughts about the IPT

vader93490

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The first “official” tournament of the IPT has now come and gone. The event was won by Thorsten Hohmann and featured many past and present champion pool players in attendance, notably Lou Butera, Mike Sigel, Johnny Archer, Ralf Souquet and many others.

I’m fairly certain that those of you who regularly read pool-themed Internet message boards know that on some of the uncommon occurrences that I have chosen to read them & write down my thoughts, I have steadfastly & consistently voiced my objections to both the International Pool Tour organization & its founder Kevin Trudeau. There were some agreements to my written opinions regarding the IPT & not unexpectedly, there were some disagreements as well.

If this latest Trudeau “branding” plan concerning his IPT player participants does indeed go forward, I can only see nothing but an overall negative impact on this sport for both players and fans. As things are right now, aspiring pool players & spectators have a variety of satellite tour events to choose from to attend, many at no admission charge to the fans. Additionally, there are also independent events like the Derby City Classic, the US Open One-Pocket Championships & the US Open 9-ball Championships, some of which have been in existence for over thirty years. The independent tournaments & satellite pool tours are, in my opinion, excellent venues for aspiring & established high-level players to test their skills & showcase their talents. They are also excellent venues for pool fans & spectators to enjoy watching high-caliber play & discuss it among themselves.

If this latest ridiculous scheme by Kevin Trudeau & the IPT does indeed become a reality, I feel that the opportunities for up and coming players to test their budding skills against more well-known professional players may very well cease to exist. As a result, I feel that the quality of play would very likely diminish on the satellite tours & independent events before they fade entirely. Is that what the IPT players, fans & groupies truly want for the future of pool as a sport? Do they want to kill off the existing & future satellite tours along with the independent events & put their respective owners & promoters out of work, all while denying the next generation of up and coming players a chance to potentially have an opportunity to play against the more well-known pool players in these events? I find it hard to believe this could actually be the case, but given the latest round of support I’ve been hearing about in support of this IPT exclusivity scheme for its participants, it certainly seems to me that that’s the direction of where things are headed right now.

After I first heard about the possibility of IPT exclusivity for its player participants, I couldn’t help but remember the various arguments & quarrels with other pool organizations like the WPA many months ago that the IPT was involved in. Those conflicts reminded me of the squabbles between Steve Jobs of Apple Computer and Bill Gates of Microsoft during the early 1980’s personal computer boom. Mr. Jobs literally had the world in the palm of his hand with the graphic user interface he put on the Apple Lisa & Macintosh computers. Instead, he got egotistical & lazy all while tearing Apple to pieces phasing out the popular Apple II line all while Bill Gates quietly snuck in behind his back & got the proverbial loot with the Windows software product line. Afterwards, it was said Mr. Jobs likened Mr. Gates to a praying mantis that ultimately kills you after seducing you with offers of assistance that seem innocent enough in the beginning of the relationship. That is, in my opinion, just one of many ways that Kevin Trudeau can be described. He not only wants to compete against the other tours & the various independent tournaments, it appears to me he wants to eventually stomp them out in favor of his IPT tour all while wooing & seducing uninformed individuals with his many promises of money, glory, fame & fortune therefore gaining a virtual monopolistic chokehold on the world of professional pocket billiards, ultimately making his product the only one available for consumption.

I will remind those who regularly read & write on these pool forums that there have been individuals who weren’t paid as initially promised by IPT representatives. Instead, they were forced to wait for an excessive amount of time to get any monies promised, all while getting excuse after excuse as to why the delays occurred. I wish I could say I was surprised when these payment delays occurred, but quite honestly, I wasn’t. There have also been many complaints about IPT products not being delivered in a timely fashion or not being delivered at all. Again, I wish I could say I was surprised, but I’m not. Furthermore, there are ever-growing complaints about the “Natural Cures” business practices with many websites illustrating Trudeau’s questionable business practices. I can only conclude that the majority of IPT groupies who write regularly on pool forums are any indication, feel that all of this information should be swept under the rug or otherwise kept hush-hush & not spoken about. Those who regularly write on pool forums that do speak about it have been labeled in the past few months as being “negative”, “nay-sayers”, “antagonists” or “troublemakers”.

If Kevin Trudeau truly was a sincere, honest & straight-up individual, then how could a supposedly wonderful person like this man tries to pass himself off as to the professional pool world be convicted in a court of law answering to charges of credit card fraud & serving a two-year jail sentence? Why would a television network like ABC choose to show this individual in an uncomplimentary fashion on more than one occasion? Why would his infomercials be constantly censored on television? Why would he be characterized on websites such as thesmokinggun.com as the “scourge of the Federal Trade Commission”? The answer is simple: Kevin Trudeau simply can’t be trusted in any way whatsoever. That has been more than amply proven many times over. The proof is out there in all media forms about him. All it takes is a little research to see it.

Another facet of potentially dubious activities regarding this IPT pool tour would be the actions of a person I have heard about by the name of Mark Trainer. It’s my understanding that this individual has already gotten players such as Mike Sigel & Ralf Souquet to sign a contract in which the players agree to sign away up sizable portions of their tournament winnings all for some highly questionable promotional schemes. Judging by this guy’s contract proposals, with his risking virtually no money & getting generous portions of a participant’s tournament prize earning upon his contracts being signed, he is nothing more than a vulture looking to make a fast buck. I feel reasonably certain that Kevin Trudeau & his IPT staff knew very well what this individual was doing with the IPT participants & had no problems or qualms with this person approaching them & making these questionable “contracts”. This is, again, just another facet illustrating why these people & the IPT can’t be trusted with the future of professional pool as a viable sport & possibly gaining a better public acceptance of it. How much bigger does the proverbial red flag have to be?

I feel that the IPT is not about bringing so-called “real” pool or "real rules" or “real” money to professional pool players, contrary to what the starry-eyed IPT advocates like to think & claim in massive droves. It’s about a lying, fast-talking criminal bastard’s intention along with his henchmen to make more & more misbegotten blood money off of more desperate & unsuspecting consumers with his questionable products. I can only hope that the die-hard IPT groupies will eventually get wise to this conman’s true motivations. When that happens, I feel certain that the IPT will collapse in on itself, as have so many professional pool tours that existed before it. As an unfortunate end result, the sport of pool will slip even further back from general public acceptance & recognition than before the IPT was even conceived. The players will have nothing once again.

To be frank, things like money, fortune & fame have never really impressed me. It may be nice to have money & nice things like fast cars & fancy clothes but there’s so much more to life than that. It takes more than fancy tournament arenas, glitz, glamour & high-dollar items to get me interested in competing in a pool tournament. Dollars do not buy what it takes to be victorious in a pool match or competition. It takes talent, heart, strength, focus, guts, a keen competitive spirit & most of all intelligence to perfect one’s craft in a mentally & physically demanding game like pool on its highest levels of play.

The so-called “branding” idea of Kevin Trudeau’s, the exorbitant & unacceptable entry fees for these so-called “qualification” tournaments for IPT events, Trudeau’s inability to keep his promises & these questionable promotional “contracts”, & payments not being made in a timely fashion to those owed it only serves to re-enforce my resolve to never get involved with this organization in any way whatsoever. More & more, the IPT gives me a bad taste in my mouth as much as Don Mackey & the PBTA did, perhaps even more so.

In closing, I feel that playing pool professionally shouldn’t be solely about getting a big fat check. It should be about a genuine love for the game & the sport & a desire to play it to the best of one’s ability whatever that may be. That desire should be shared with others who express a genuine interest in it, not for the potential of earning a mouthful of dollars or Kevin Trudeau’s misbegotten blood money that he has made preying off of unsuspecting consumers, but for a genuine love of the game. All those who play the game at a high level should be recognized for their talent.
 
vader93490 said:
...All those who play the game at a high level should be recognized for their talent.

Yes, they should, but never have in these United States.

Labeling Kevin Trudeau as a "criminal bastard" is over the top, IMHO.

Thanks for the long dissertation of your viewpoint, one which is held tightly by a few who are on the outside, looking in. Ask any one of the 200 competitors who competed in the North American 8-Ball Championship, and you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who would agree with your thoughts/opinions.

Pool players CANNOT live off of their passion for the sport. MANY pool players have played pool their entire life out of passion. What has it gotten them? A kick in the rear end by some within the American pool culture who criticize them over and over again for the choices they have made in life. Some, not all, resorted to gambling because there was no money on the American tournament trail in the past. Until the IPT, the payouts in the year 2006 are the same as they were in 1986. Yet, as we all know, the cost of living has skyrocketed.

Now something good has come along to give pool players around the world, not just in America, a sense of pride as well as a reward for their lifelong devotation to pool, but you think it's not the way to go. To each his own, but I disagree vehemently with your thoughts, especially the name-calling. JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
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vader93490 said:
...Another facet of potentially dubious activities regarding this IPT pool tour would be the actions of a person I have heard about by the name of Mark Trainer. It’s my understanding that this individual has already gotten players such as Mike Sigel & Ralf Souquet to sign a contract in which the players agree to sign away up sizable portions of their tournament winnings all for some highly questionable promotional schemes. Judging by this guy’s contract proposals, with his risking virtually no money & getting generous portions of a participant’s tournament prize earning upon his contracts being signed, he is nothing more than a vulture looking to make a fast buck....

Geez Louise, Vader! You truly are off the mark on this one.

FWIW, Trainer forked out $300,000-plus up front to players, some of which was monies which did not have to be paid back in the form of "signing bonuses." For you to say he is "risking virtually no money" isn't quite right, IMHO! 300,000 bananas is a lot of cabbage.

JAM
 
KT and the players will do what they want to do. Its none of your business what choices they make. Deal with it.

Those who can do, and those who can't, complain...
 
vader93490 said:
....I can only conclude that the majority of IPT groupies who write regularly on pool forums are any indication, feel that all of this information should be swept under the rug or otherwise kept hush-hush & not spoken about. Those who regularly write on pool forums that do speak about it have been labeled in the past few months as being “negative”, “nay-sayers”, “antagonists” or “troublemakers”....

Though your thoughts/opinions about the IPT are negative and you do seem to be an IPT naysayer and most definitely post in an antagonistic manner with the name-calling, I would never think of you, Vader, as a "trouble-maker."

However, I do think that you may be: UNINFORMED

JAM
 
I feel your pain.

You, like many others, failed to jump on the bandwagon when the getting on was good. Now there is no room.

I already feel the impact of the IPT in that I am not able to go to any tournaments locally and see some pros play. The Florida Pro tour has no stops during the sumer and the last three are 300 miles away in the Miami area.

If I was close to where an IPT event was being held I surely would go since the admission is so cheap but I am not going to fly to an event and waste my time and money for 9 days to watch them. It just isn't that important to me.

Unfortunately many people still have not seen an IPT event and don't even know they are playing 8-ball and that the women are competing with the men.

If it succeeds it will have to be in Asia.

In the meantime I don't think any tours have been cancelled because of the IPT. Do the tours depend on the pros for their existence? How many players skip a tour because pros play in them? Perhaps the tours would do better without pros. Not a pro tour like the FPT of course.

Oh well, enjoy it while it lasts.

Jake
 
Is this gonna be another Gloom and Doom day ...

So far, although not by your standards, he is doing okay, and providing a path for Poolplayers to really become 'professionals'. I am sure there will be more ongoing changes in the future as the events are held across the world.
Gee, I had to declare bankruptcy, does that mean I am the scourge of the earth too? I am sure a few people have exceeded credit card limits, does that mean they were fraudelant too? Most people don't have the lilly white past you seem to require? Did Don Mackey?

Fact of life for Poolplayers - They are going to go where the money is.... period whether it is the IPT or DCC or the US. Open? Doesn't mean they don't love the sport as we all do, just means they have to have nourishment to be able to compete in the multi-day tournaments. Seems to me, that DCC is so good because of the players that show up and the gambling that goes on, as was Johnston before it. Poolplayers have gotten a little 'dirty' in the past and 50 years of dirt is not going to washed off quite so easily or so fast, but this is the best effort to help raise the sport up other than maybe starting the US Open.

How many other athletes would exist most of their life on substandard wages or living conditions for the love of the sport? Except maybe Olympic hopefuls. I believe other countries paid their Olympic people, like Russia.

Vadar ... I am sure you feel like you have got the 'big picture' or the fate thereof, but I disagree with you, and no, I am not one to be led down a primrose path, but the truth of the matter will probably be somewhere inbetween, depending on KT, of course, but it is still the best concerted effort for the sport and players in the last 50-60 years. Every player out there knows what 'guaranteed income', no matter how much, does mean to them. The fact that it is being bantered about health care coverage and maybe some type of retirement/profit sharing plan for players speaks highly of the IPT, I believe. I believe you are NOT considering all the elements of the equation, and are being somewhat judgemental and premature.

I believe that when all forms of marketing the IPT have been developed, and lower levels of the infrastructure put into place, they will be much more viable as a Pool organization, but that does not happen overnight, or according to your whims.

You're right, you don't have to associate yourself with the IPT, just the same as you don't have to accept the break and 8 ball from someone, but you will depending on whether 'you think you can win' , and for a lot of players, whether they can win money.
 
jjinfla said:
In the meantime I don't think any tours have been cancelled because of the IPT. Do the tours depend on the pros for their existence? How many players skip a tour because pros play in them? Perhaps the tours would do better without pros. Not a pro tour like the FPT of course.
This is the 2nd time in as many days that I've seen you say this. Are you one of those people Jake? A) The people that don't play because a pro is in the event is an idiot if they're the type of person that wants to progress their game and get better. B) The number of people that do this are far fewer than the number of people that do play.

Playing against a pro can only help you. It's up to you to pay attention, watch them, and learn from them. Winning a little bit of money in a regional/local event is not going to change your life. Learning shot making, aiming, breaking, and different ways to get shape can change your pool life and make you a better pool player for life.

Knowledge that you can have for possibly playing a pro (you might not end up in the same bracket) that only cost you $20 to $70 entry fee. Anyone that sits out of these because a pro is playing, doesn't have a healthy outlook or game plan for their own pool playing ability or lack there of. IMO, they're an idiot.
 
I can't believe the crap you wrote about the Microsoft v Mac history!

Is there nothing you can see clearly....lol
 
Colin Colenso said:
I can't believe the crap you wrote about the Microsoft v Mac history!

Is there nothing you can see clearly....lol


I thought the exact same thing when I read the whole microsoft vs Mac thing, I'm glad somebody else caught on to it as well.
 
Timberly said:
Playing against a pro can only help you. It's up to you to pay attention, watch them, and learn from them. Winning a little bit of money in a regional/local event is not going to change your life. Learning shot making, aiming, breaking, and different ways to get shape can change your pool life and make you a better pool player for life.

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Spoken like a true SL-2.

I would have as much chance against a pro as a little kid (I was going to say girl but that would be chauvanistic and I am trying to change that image but you do make it hard) would have arm wrestling with me.

But we do have a nice little open tournament here on saturday's for ten bucks where a few pretty good players enter. Dave Ross is the local pro who is a regular. He did pretty well in Miz's tournament a couple years ago until he ran into Mike Sigel, and he plays on the Florida Pro Tour. His winnings from the Saturday event pay his FPT entry. I imagine he still has a pro ranking, but if so, it is very low. Age has caught up to him. Anyway, as bad as he is, I still have never beaten him. Well, maybe once. The Preacher even played in it a few times.

But no, I am not going to enter a tournament for $70 - $150 just to get run over by a pro. Makes no sense to me. You see, I know they are better than I am, in fact they are much better than I am, or ever will be, and that is okay. I do not have an ego problem with that like a lot of pool players have. And I can learn just as much from watching them from the rail as I can from watching them from my chair.

I'm just slightly better than a slug at this game so I play in tournaments with other slugs. Too bad pool doesn't have classes, or divisions for the players and the players play in their own division. When they win a division they move up to another division. But that would make sense. Instead they handicap them and people get the 6 and the last three and win and think they can play pool.

If the Pros want to be Pros then they should play in their own division of Pros. Is it any wonder that a Pro will win a tournament with casual players?

Are you a good enough player to play with the pros? Or are you just a donator?

I guess it all depends on the type of player that the tournament is disigned to accommadate.

Jake
 
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jjinfla said:
...If the Pros want to be Pros then they should play in their own division of Pros. Is it any wonder that a Pro will win a tournament with casual players?

LOL! :D I don't know, but I see Mike Davis and Keith McCready get slammed down all the time at the $20-entry-fee 9-ball tournaments every Wednesday, sometimes in the very first round! :o

Then again, maybe we've just got some rough-and-tough local players in my neck of the woods! :p

JAM
 
Timberly said:
This is the 2nd time in as many days that I've seen you say this. Are you one of those people Jake? A) The people that don't play because a pro is in the event is an idiot if they're the type of person that wants to progress their game and get better. B) The number of people that do this are far fewer than the number of people that do play.

Playing against a pro can only help you. It's up to you to pay attention, watch them, and learn from them. Winning a little bit of money in a regional/local event is not going to change your life. Learning shot making, aiming, breaking, and different ways to get shape can change your pool life and make you a better pool player for life.

Knowledge that you can have for possibly playing a pro (you might not end up in the same bracket) that only cost you $20 to $70 entry fee. Anyone that sits out of these because a pro is playing, doesn't have a healthy outlook or game plan for their own pool playing ability or lack there of. IMO, they're an idiot.

I think you both have solid points.

But I think your wrong to label him as a person that doesnt want to play with the Pro's. There are alot of players that put alot of money into the pool world that have no shot of winning tourneys. There are many that eventually get tired of donating, and stop playing in the smaller events.

Sure 20.00 or 70.00 is a good learning experience, but with the other expenses that go along with a tourney, people wont continue to 'step up'. And to state they dont have a healthy outlook or game plan? and an idiot? Are you serious?

Having different levels or organizations in the pool world can be a benefit, people just need to find a fine line. Pro sports have major and minor leagues, citys have city leagues for amatuers, etc. If there is a large organization that ends up being the BIG LEAGUES (IPT or not), I think that some tours would benefit by not allowing the TOP TOP players to not play in their events. Is it gonna hurt Thorsten Hohman to miss a viking event with 50 players? How many regional players wont attend if the field has 10 players like him playin? More than the ones that just want their shot to rack for them?

Everyone here has played in some sort of handicapped team event at somepoint, and some team full of grandmaster/semipros/pros somehow get into the event. Lots a fun eh? Those that have posted about getting their asses handed to them on these same boards must be idiots then.

My point is that both your points make sense, but there has to be a middle ground for pool to succeed.
 
jjinfla said:
I'm just slightly better than a slug at this game so I play in tournaments with other slugs.

Perk said:
Sure 20.00 or 70.00 is a good learning experience, but with the other expenses that go along with a tourney, people wont continue to 'step up'. And to state they dont have a healthy outlook or game plan? and an idiot? Are you serious?
Idiot might've been a stronger word than need be but please look at the above quote. :rolleyes: Does that sound like someone that has a healthy outlook and game plan? A large majority of the people that don't want pro's to play in regional events feel this way. They would rather play people their own speed or those of a lower speed. It's possible to improve one's game by playing those on an even or lesser playing field but IMO it's going to take longer to get there and would be more of an uphill battle.


jjinfla said:
Too bad pool doesn't have classes, or divisions for the players and the players play in their own division. When they win a division they move up to another division. But that would make sense. Instead they handicap them and people get the 6 and the last three and win and think they can play pool.
You're going to benefit more by playing better players. There's plenty of small bar tournaments and weekly pool tournaments that aren't played in by the pro's that you could go to.

For those of you that don't want to play better players, yes it would be nice for you to have your "middle ground". Jake, I believe there is an amateur tour in FL, do you play in that?
 
Timberly said:
". Jake, I believe there is an amateur tour in FL, do you play in that?


I used to but the last time I played I was beaten by a girl.

How humiliating is that.

She got lucky jumping balls and putting the OB in the wrong pocket. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

How humiliating is that.

Tracie Hines killed me 7-3.

She is a pro isn't she? Sort of? I think? Finished 9th once. Ranked 22.

Playing in an amateur league?

So I gave up on that league.

But I have plenty of pretty good players here I play. One is going up to Md for the APA Championships next month and I expect him to win it. Afterall, I taught him all I know.

Jake
 
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vader93490 said:
The first “official” tournament of the IPT has now come and gone. The event was won by Thorsten Hohmann and featured many past and present champion pool players in attendance, notably Lou Butera, Mike Sigel, Johnny Archer, Ralf Souquet and many others.

I’m fairly certain that those of you who regularly read pool-themed Internet message boards know that on some of the uncommon occurrences that I have chosen to read them & write down my thoughts, I have steadfastly & consistently voiced my objections to both the International Pool Tour organization & its founder Kevin Trudeau. There were some agreements to my written opinions regarding the IPT & not unexpectedly, there were some disagreements as well.

If this latest Trudeau “branding” plan concerning his IPT player participants does indeed go forward, I can only see nothing but an overall negative impact on this sport for both players and fans. As things are right now, aspiring pool players & spectators have a variety of satellite tour events to choose from to attend, many at no admission charge to the fans. Additionally, there are also independent events like the Derby City Classic, the US Open One-Pocket Championships & the US Open 9-ball Championships, some of which have been in existence for over thirty years. The independent tournaments & satellite pool tours are, in my opinion, excellent venues for aspiring & established high-level players to test their skills & showcase their talents. They are also excellent venues for pool fans & spectators to enjoy watching high-caliber play & discuss it among themselves.

If this latest ridiculous scheme by Kevin Trudeau & the IPT does indeed become a reality, I feel that the opportunities for up and coming players to test their budding skills against more well-known professional players may very well cease to exist. As a result, I feel that the quality of play would very likely diminish on the satellite tours & independent events before they fade entirely. Is that what the IPT players, fans & groupies truly want for the future of pool as a sport? Do they want to kill off the existing & future satellite tours along with the independent events & put their respective owners & promoters out of work, all while denying the next generation of up and coming players a chance to potentially have an opportunity to play against the more well-known pool players in these events? I find it hard to believe this could actually be the case, but given the latest round of support I’ve been hearing about in support of this IPT exclusivity scheme for its participants, it certainly seems to me that that’s the direction of where things are headed right now.

After I first heard about the possibility of IPT exclusivity for its player participants, I couldn’t help but remember the various arguments & quarrels with other pool organizations like the WPA many months ago that the IPT was involved in. Those conflicts reminded me of the squabbles between Steve Jobs of Apple Computer and Bill Gates of Microsoft during the early 1980’s personal computer boom. Mr. Jobs literally had the world in the palm of his hand with the graphic user interface he put on the Apple Lisa & Macintosh computers. Instead, he got egotistical & lazy all while tearing Apple to pieces phasing out the popular Apple II line all while Bill Gates quietly snuck in behind his back & got the proverbial loot with the Windows software product line. Afterwards, it was said Mr. Jobs likened Mr. Gates to a praying mantis that ultimately kills you after seducing you with offers of assistance that seem innocent enough in the beginning of the relationship. That is, in my opinion, just one of many ways that Kevin Trudeau can be described. He not only wants to compete against the other tours & the various independent tournaments, it appears to me he wants to eventually stomp them out in favor of his IPT tour all while wooing & seducing uninformed individuals with his many promises of money, glory, fame & fortune therefore gaining a virtual monopolistic chokehold on the world of professional pocket billiards, ultimately making his product the only one available for consumption.

I will remind those who regularly read & write on these pool forums that there have been individuals who weren’t paid as initially promised by IPT representatives. Instead, they were forced to wait for an excessive amount of time to get any monies promised, all while getting excuse after excuse as to why the delays occurred. I wish I could say I was surprised when these payment delays occurred, but quite honestly, I wasn’t. There have also been many complaints about IPT products not being delivered in a timely fashion or not being delivered at all. Again, I wish I could say I was surprised, but I’m not. Furthermore, there are ever-growing complaints about the “Natural Cures” business practices with many websites illustrating Trudeau’s questionable business practices. I can only conclude that the majority of IPT groupies who write regularly on pool forums are any indication, feel that all of this information should be swept under the rug or otherwise kept hush-hush & not spoken about. Those who regularly write on pool forums that do speak about it have been labeled in the past few months as being “negative”, “nay-sayers”, “antagonists” or “troublemakers”.

If Kevin Trudeau truly was a sincere, honest & straight-up individual, then how could a supposedly wonderful person like this man tries to pass himself off as to the professional pool world be convicted in a court of law answering to charges of credit card fraud & serving a two-year jail sentence? Why would a television network like ABC choose to show this individual in an uncomplimentary fashion on more than one occasion? Why would his infomercials be constantly censored on television? Why would he be characterized on websites such as thesmokinggun.com as the “scourge of the Federal Trade Commission”? The answer is simple: Kevin Trudeau simply can’t be trusted in any way whatsoever. That has been more than amply proven many times over. The proof is out there in all media forms about him. All it takes is a little research to see it.

Another facet of potentially dubious activities regarding this IPT pool tour would be the actions of a person I have heard about by the name of Mark Trainer. It’s my understanding that this individual has already gotten players such as Mike Sigel & Ralf Souquet to sign a contract in which the players agree to sign away up sizable portions of their tournament winnings all for some highly questionable promotional schemes. Judging by this guy’s contract proposals, with his risking virtually no money & getting generous portions of a participant’s tournament prize earning upon his contracts being signed, he is nothing more than a vulture looking to make a fast buck. I feel reasonably certain that Kevin Trudeau & his IPT staff knew very well what this individual was doing with the IPT participants & had no problems or qualms with this person approaching them & making these questionable “contracts”. This is, again, just another facet illustrating why these people & the IPT can’t be trusted with the future of professional pool as a viable sport & possibly gaining a better public acceptance of it. How much bigger does the proverbial red flag have to be?

I feel that the IPT is not about bringing so-called “real” pool or "real rules" or “real” money to professional pool players, contrary to what the starry-eyed IPT advocates like to think & claim in massive droves. It’s about a lying, fast-talking criminal bastard’s intention along with his henchmen to make more & more misbegotten blood money off of more desperate & unsuspecting consumers with his questionable products. I can only hope that the die-hard IPT groupies will eventually get wise to this conman’s true motivations. When that happens, I feel certain that the IPT will collapse in on itself, as have so many professional pool tours that existed before it. As an unfortunate end result, the sport of pool will slip even further back from general public acceptance & recognition than before the IPT was even conceived. The players will have nothing once again.

To be frank, things like money, fortune & fame have never really impressed me. It may be nice to have money & nice things like fast cars & fancy clothes but there’s so much more to life than that. It takes more than fancy tournament arenas, glitz, glamour & high-dollar items to get me interested in competing in a pool tournament. Dollars do not buy what it takes to be victorious in a pool match or competition. It takes talent, heart, strength, focus, guts, a keen competitive spirit & most of all intelligence to perfect one’s craft in a mentally & physically demanding game like pool on its highest levels of play.

The so-called “branding” idea of Kevin Trudeau’s, the exorbitant & unacceptable entry fees for these so-called “qualification” tournaments for IPT events, Trudeau’s inability to keep his promises & these questionable promotional “contracts”, & payments not being made in a timely fashion to those owed it only serves to re-enforce my resolve to never get involved with this organization in any way whatsoever. More & more, the IPT gives me a bad taste in my mouth as much as Don Mackey & the PBTA did, perhaps even more so.

In closing, I feel that playing pool professionally shouldn’t be solely about getting a big fat check. It should be about a genuine love for the game & the sport & a desire to play it to the best of one’s ability whatever that may be. That desire should be shared with others who express a genuine interest in it, not for the potential of earning a mouthful of dollars or Kevin Trudeau’s misbegotten blood money that he has made preying off of unsuspecting consumers, but for a genuine love of the game. All those who play the game at a high level should be recognized for their talent.

Shortened version for those who don't want to read his whole diatribe "Me VADER. ME HATE KEVin TRUDeau and ANYONE WHO AGree with him".
 
JAM said:
LOL! :D I don't know, but I see Mike Davis and Keith McCready get slammed down all the time at the $20-entry-fee 9-ball tournaments every Wednesday, sometimes in the very first round! :o

JAM

Shame on them for letting that happen. They should be honing their skills on those suckers - LOL.

If they can't beat the non-pros consistently how do they expect to do well in the IPT? You better hit him upside his head and tell him to tighten up his act.

Capone's has a similar Monday evening tournament where the entry is $20 and Morris, Saez, Hines, maybe Crosby and a few other pros enter and they limit it to the first 32 and from what I hear they get a full field each time. Most of those who enter are all in the A class or above. Don't know since I have never been there. 77 miles is just too far to drive to go two and out.

I am sure it is fun and a good test, and a chance for bragging rights for the A players if they happen to beat a pro, but since I am probably a low B, if that, it wouldn't be much fun for me.

Jake
 
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jjinfla said:
Shame on them for letting that happen. They should be honing their skills on those suckers - LOL.

If they can't beat the non-pros consistently how do they expect to do well in the IPT? You better hit him upside his head and tell him to tighten up his act.

We do actually have quite a few strong players in my neck of the wods. On any given day, the player field at one of these mini tourneys consist of: local one-pocket legend Tom-Tom Wirth, Roadster Danny Green, Young Gun Brandon Shuff, Power Breaker Jerry Slivka, Ryan "Genie Man" McCreesh, BCA Instructor Doug Sharp, Jersey John (who beat Keith last Wednesday first round), White Max, Black Henry, Spanish Rob, Parks, just to name a few. There are players of all caliber, but make no mistake about it, some of the local natives can play themselves some pool.

When the mini tournament has over 20 players, they make it a race to 5 for the first round. This is a deadly format for even the best of players. That is what makes the mini tournaments fun. The "experienced" players don't necessarily always win, and when they do get beat, their opponents have usually played very hard. It is this kind of pressure or tension, if you will, that sometimes is an excellent way to improve your game.

You should see the expression on Keith's mug after he goes down in a short race to 5, especially in the first round. Keith's mouth wrinkles up and looks like he just swallowed a lemon peel, much like the picture below. LOL :D

JAM
 

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For players on the IPT, it is gaurented money. $2000 for last place on an IPT tour stop is just as good as a 1st place in most tours for any professional pool player. And the money keeps going up as they win in the IPT tournament. Also, who could argue when a player get at least $350,000.00 for first place. The IPT is what FULL TIME professional players have been waiting / playing for decades. Who cares about KT and what his motavation for dumping millions of dollars into pool is. Thanks KT for giving real pool players to earn a living for once.

How many pool players, at least those who play full time, own a home, pay bills, financially support their family, savings, retirement savings and pay taxes. KT and the IPT are giving pool players, current pros and qualifiers alike, an opportunity to earn that kind of money on a reaguar basis. Real pool players have been waiting for this kind of opportunity for decades. Only about a dozen have really able to succeed at doing to by just playing pool.
 
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JAM said:
We do actually have quite a few strong players in my neck of the wods. On any given day, the player field at one of these mini tourneys consist of: local one-pocket legend Tom-Tom Wirth, Roadster Danny Green, Young Gun Brandon Shuff, Power Breaker Jerry Slivka, Ryan "Genie Man" McCreesh, BCA Instructor Doug Sharp, Jersey John (who beat Keith last Wednesday first round), White Max, Black Henry, Spanish Rob, Parks, just to name a few. There are players of all caliber, but make no mistake about it, some of the local natives can play themselves some pool.

When the mini tournament has over 20 players, they make it a race to 5 for the first round. This is a deadly format for even the best of players. That is what makes the mini tournaments fun. The "experienced" players don't necessarily always win, and when they do get beat, their opponents have usually played very hard. It is this kind of pressure or tension, if you will, that sometimes is an excellent way to improve your game.

You should see the expression on Keith's mug after he goes down in a short race to 5, especially in the first round. Keith's mouth wrinkles up and looks like he just swallowed a lemon peel, much like the picture below. LOL :D

JAM

Hey Jam, What ever happened to "Three Finger" Ronnie Sypher. He was from that neck of the woods. Did you know him? Good player and good action man.
 
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