My stolen phillippi
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THEREALSDKID
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bought it in 1991. stolen in 2006 off an ebay deal. it was sold off of the website CORNERSTONE CUSTOM CUES in ida Michigan. the owner says he forgot who he sold it to. he's a big fat liar !! $1000 bucks for its return
Assuming you have the proper documentation showing proof of ownership and theft, why not use your reward money to legally find out where your cue may be? I would imagine that if Cornerstone was contacted by the proper authorities with the needed documentation things may be a little different. If this is just a he said she said case then I can understand why Cornerstone may have "forgotten".
Cornerstone might have liability
They sold stolen property. Laws apply to poolsticks just like any property. Ignorance is not an excuse of the law being broken.
Nick
They sold stolen property. Laws apply to poolsticks just like any property. Ignorance is not an excuse of the law being broken.
Nick
If you keep slammin me and bad mouthing me and posting on my face book that iam shady I will have to contact a attorney.you called me and said i found a cue that was stolen from me in 2006,it is under your sold cue from 2011. and you wanted the name of who i sold it to in 2011.. then you told me that the insurance company gave you way more than it was worth. but you still wanted it back.and i told you that if you had the police contact me i would help them as much as i could. you responded that it had been 7 years and it was past the time , and they would not help you! I bought the cue in 2009 off ebay paid 880.00 sent it off had it restored and a extra shaft made.. it was for sale on my site for a little over 2 years then i sold it at a cue show for 1100.. then you contact me saying its yours and you need the name of the person i sold it to? and you could not give me 1 piece of proof --- ok iam supposed to take your word on everything you say..i told you to have the police contact me and i would try to help .. but after all the attacks and way you have threatened me --as my grandma used to say go fly a kite…you came across as very shady bragging about insurance and how you almost caught the guy in another country.. and if you remember i spent !/2 hour at a time with you on the phone trying to help 3-4 different times.. But then you post on my facebook of cues last week that bill has nice cues i wonder how many of them are stolen! oh by the way when you fly that kite wait til its storming so we can cull some of the hurd!
__________________And by the way you have stolen my pictures off my site it is our property.. and i believe you are the liar because you have never come forth with anything except my pictures saying its yours!! if i were you i would have tried to scam me out of a ivory handle
__________________And by the way you have stolen my pictures off my site it is our property.. and i believe you are the liar because you have never come forth with anything except my pictures saying its yours!! if i were you i would have tried to scam me out of a ivory handle
If the cue sold on Ebay in 2006, then any recourse you have should be directed at Ebay, not Cornerstone.. You are only going to make your situation worse by slandering Cornerstone.. What did he do besides buy a cue on Ebay and resell it on his website? Perfectly legal in my opinion.. There is no way for a person to know if a cue he is buying on ebay is stolen or not.. Sorry for your loss but it sounds like you have been compensated. If you are not careful, you might lose your compensation too!
He's an idiot Bill. Not worth a second of anyone's time. Everyone here knows you're a solid dude so pay him no mind. Hope all is well
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I currently have the cue, getting ready to pass it off to another member.
According to the idiot we all have the cue anyway, so we should at least play with it.
My goal is to have every single member on AZ own this cue, city by city to save shipping.
on 10/28 13 you posted it was on ebay! this cue has been passed around like madonna! and thats when you contacted me 2 1/2 years after i sold it..and you hold me responsible.. I have total compassion on people that get thing stolen from ( believe me I Know)
I was one of many that had this cue i acquired it in 2011 5 years after the fact--not knowing putting it on the pages of the most watched cue web site in the world !-- and someone called me out of the blue 2 1/2 years after i sold it. stating it was his--- and said he almost caught the guy -- and that he had it stolen by a person that hijacked a ebay account and that he shipped it and never got paid.. but he got alot of insurance and would buy it back if i could find the person i sold it to! well i spent 3-4 times on the phone with him spending hours in paperwork, and i do not keep info on who i sold it to or credit card info for the safety of my customers .
I was one of many that had this cue i acquired it in 2011 5 years after the fact--not knowing putting it on the pages of the most watched cue web site in the world !-- and someone called me out of the blue 2 1/2 years after i sold it. stating it was his--- and said he almost caught the guy -- and that he had it stolen by a person that hijacked a ebay account and that he shipped it and never got paid.. but he got alot of insurance and would buy it back if i could find the person i sold it to! well i spent 3-4 times on the phone with him spending hours in paperwork, and i do not keep info on who i sold it to or credit card info for the safety of my customers .
They sold stolen property. Laws apply to poolsticks just like any property. Ignorance is not an excuse of the law being broken.
Nick
Clearly you've never actually studied the law. The principle "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies in a case where someone knowingly commits an act but is unaware the act is illegal. For that to apply here Cornerstone would have to know the cue was stolen property but sell it anyway because he didn't know it was illegal to sell it.
To be legally guilty of violating a law against possessing and/or selling stolen property the accused must KNOW it is stolen. That is referred to as an "element of the crime". It the police/prosecution cannot prove that the accused knew it was stolen they cannot charge him with that crime.
And, yes, this will be on the final exam.
TW
Actually this varies by state: BTW I am NOT the one asking the question below. This is from a legal FAQ website.
The police picked me up with an item in my possession that I bought on the streets. They say it was stolen property, but I didn’t know it was stolen. Can I be convicted for that?
The answer is maybe. In Louisiana, it is illegal to possess stolen things. Illegal possession of stolen things is defined as the intentional possessing or concealment of anything of value which has been the subject of a robbery or theft, under circumstances which indicate that the offender knew or had good reason to believe that the thing was the subject of a robbery or theft. The potential penalty is imprisonment for up to 10 years.
The key language in the statute is "under circumstances which indicate that the offender knew or had good reason to believe that the thing was the subject of a robbery or theft."
It is commonly known that drug users who are addicted will do almost anything to get money to buy more drugs. Hence, drug abuse results in many thefts, robberies and burglaries of homes and automobiles. The items stolen in these crimes are usually sold by the drug user on the streets for pennies on the dollar in order to raise money to buy drugs. Anyone who is familiar with this fact, and who is approached by someone on the street offering to sell something of value for pennies on the dollar should have a healthy suspicion that the object was the subject of a robbery, theft, or burglary.
Thus, if you buy an object from someone under these circumstances, you stand a good chance of being convicted of the offense of illegal possession of stolen things, even if you did not have "actual knowledge" that the item was stolen.
I am not saying this even comes close to applying in the cue possession & subsequent sale here. I believe it certainly does not based on the information I see posted.
I posted this to let people know they may not automatically be "off the hook" if they acquire something that just doesn't "smell right."
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If the item was purchased on ebay, for a "reasonable" price, there is no reason to believe it was stolen.
I'm not really sure Nick has ever studied anything.
He ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Agreed, it definitely does not apply here. I was editing my post to make that clarification but you were very quick.
really??
This thread is Still going???
This thread is Still going???
Really? Can you give me an example of a state that has a "possession of stolen property" law, and that "knowledge" the property is stolen is NOT a requisite element of the statute?
Surely you're smart enough to recognize that the statutory wording you quoted is a good example of knowledge [the item is stolen] being a required element of the crime, and that the language of the law clearly means "no such knowledge" = no crime.
Now, the question of whether or not the accused had such knowledge is not a "matter of law", but rather a "matter of fact". So it would ultimately be up to a jury to decide if the accused knew (or should have known) the property in question was stolen. In any event, none of this is even remotely related to Nick's misunderstanding the statement, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".
TW
I been in this to I've looked every were and told him
I don't care about reward money just getting his cue back.
But I told him more than once bill is a good friend of mine and
If there was Anything he could do to help he would. So if u been
Bashing bill I'm done hunting bill Grassley one of a few I trust fully.
Has never done me wrong or anyone else speaking from dealing with
Him for a decade. So bash bill I'm out. I said from start if do all I could and
That bill is not shady or bad guy. He's good as they come and I'd trust him with
My whole collection or anything he needs. He hasn't made it this far for no reason.
Bill I got ya back.
I don't care about reward money just getting his cue back.
But I told him more than once bill is a good friend of mine and
If there was Anything he could do to help he would. So if u been
Bashing bill I'm done hunting bill Grassley one of a few I trust fully.
Has never done me wrong or anyone else speaking from dealing with
Him for a decade. So bash bill I'm out. I said from start if do all I could and
That bill is not shady or bad guy. He's good as they come and I'd trust him with
My whole collection or anything he needs. He hasn't made it this far for no reason.
Bill I got ya back.