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JB Cases said:
Actually sometimes players have said they were seeing the balls really well. But in the end performance isn't confined to one aspect of the parts required to perform.
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That's correct.

One must 'see' adequately & then have the 'feel' to successfully apply the info that their sight has garnered for them.

That's even before we get to anything like stroke mechanics to deliver the cue accurately.

If one thinks that they can consistently hit the perfect center vertical axis of the cue ball with the center of the 3mm wide(diameter) tip contact area, I'd say that they are either super human or delusional regardless of how they may have gotten to that point.

That is part of the reason that I started using english when I was 13 & why I am now using english & TOI.

Best Wishes to All.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
That's correct.

One must 'see' adequately & then have the 'feel' to successfully apply the info that their sight has garnered for them.

That's even before we get to anything like stroke mechanics to deliver the cue accurately.

If one thinks that they can consistently hit the perfect center vertical axis of the cue ball with the center of the 3mm wide(diameter) tip contact area, I'd say that are delusional regardless of how they may have gotten to that point.

That is part of the reason that I started using english when I was 13 & why am now using english & TOI.

Best Wishes to All.
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Your vision is severely reduced due to stress .
Cops in shootouts have testified to that .
Sometimes down to 17%.
 
This is going around the bushes.
I'm saying , your vision is hampered under stress.
Reduce the stress or find a way to shoot better with hampered vision.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
This is going around the bushes.
I'm saying , your vision is hampered under stress.
Reduce the stress or find a way to shoot better with hampered vision.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess I was inspired by an evil mystical connection.

I'll take it down. Maybe you can do the same. Thanks.
 
To 8 Pack Anthony,

The how & why "IT" may be 'working' for those that are playing well just is not that different, if at all, from any other method that uses a visual starting line from which to make a final determination.

The new word of confusion & misunderstanding now seems to be 'adjustment(s)'. They can & are being made while standing before going down & setting the bridge. The adjustments are being made off of the 'marker lines'. The maker line yields one angled shot in each direction per the pivot. Variations or 'adjustments' must be made off of them.

When one uses fractional & makes an adjustment in one direction or the other they go to a 'new center cue ball' from the original fraction line.

There are similarities, just with a different language. The "pivot" went to a "sweep". Well in fractional those terms are not used to describe the physical adjustment. In fractional, does one make that 'turn' while standing or after one goes down on the fraction line? I'm sure there are individuals that do it while standing & those that do it after down.

See edge to A(3/4), B(1/2), or C(1/4) & turn in either direction to the actual shot line ... add or subtract cut.

IF... the balls are 'presenting themselves' differently depending on where they are on the table for "IT", then they must do the same thing for fractional too.:wink:

Best Wishes To You & Yours.
 
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Food for thought per...

If a straight in shot where shot from an edge to A 15* 'perception'...

then would not the manual 'pivot' have to be equal to a 15* differential...

in order to counter being on that line that is off by 15* to the true straight line shot?

If that is the case, as it would certainly seem to be a requirement, then what about ALL of the other shots?

Is one approaching ALL of them from 15* off of the true line & then the 'pivot' is then putting them back onto the true line.

If one is making the same defined pivot or sweep for ALL of the shots, then that would certainly seem to be the logical conclusion.

I did such a straight shot experiment yesterday, at the request of a CTE advocate. It only confirmed to me that there are variances needed from the described outline.

I could not make the precisely defined 1/2 tip 'pivot' negate the 15* angle & get back to the straight line shot. The ball cut left every time when done objectively & looking at the CB to be precise.

I could ONLY do it when I looked at the OB & varied the 'pivot' by adjusting the whole orientation of the cue stick to get it on line.

I think Dan White had similar results when he was shooting the infamous 5 shots 'perception' shots. When he looked at the CB & performed the 1/2 tip pivot purely objectively, he did NOT pocket the shots, but when he too looked at the OB & allowed himself to place the cue stick however appropriately as he saw fit, he did pocket the balls.

I know what that tells me, but I will leave it to each individual to make their own determinations.

Best Wishes to ALL During This Season.

PS I understand that 15 is just a round number for discussion purposes.
 
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If a straight in shot where shot from an edge to A 15* 'perception'...

then would not the manual 'pivot' have to be equal to a 15* differential...

in order to counter being on that line that is off by 15* to the true straight line shot?

If that is the case, as it would certainly seem to be a requirement, then what about ALL of the other shots?

Is one approaching ALL of them from 15* off of the true line & then the 'pivot' is then putting them back onto the true line.

If one is making the same defined pivot or sweep for ALL of the shots, then that would certainly seem to be the logical conclusion.

I did such a straight shot experiment yesterday, at the request of a CTE advocate. It only confirmed to me that there are variances needed from the described outline.

I could not make the precisely defined 1/2 tip 'pivot' negate the 15* angle & get back to the straight line shot. The ball cut left every time when done objectively & looking at the CB to be precise.

I could ONLY do it when I looked at the OB & varied the 'pivot' by adjusting the whole orientation of the cue stick to get it on line.

I think Dan White had similar results when he was shooting the infamous 5 shots 'perception' shots. When he looked at the CB & performed the 1/2 tip pivot purely objectively, he did NOT pocket the shots, but when he too looked at the OB & allowed himself to place the cue stick however appropriately as he saw fit, he did pocket the balls.

I know what that tells me, but I will leave it to each individual to make their own determinations.

Best Wishes to ALL During This Season.

PS I understand that 15 is just a round number for discussion purposes.
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This all seems to make sense. Good post. It would be interesting to know if morht has any comments on this.

Just to be clear, my loose "experiment" wasn't done with the "5 shots." I did it with just a long cut shot looking at the cb last (couldn't make shot) and then ob last (made the shot).
 
Dan White said:
This all seems to make sense. Good post. It would be interesting to know if morht has any comments on this.

Just to be clear, my loose "experiment" wasn't done with the "5 shots." I did it with just a long cut shot looking at the cb last (couldn't make shot) and then ob last (made the shot).
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I didn't say anything to his post, because we have corrected him on the same thing many, many times before, and it just doesn't sink in for whatever reason. Interesting that you agree with him on it. It only shows that you also have no idea what you are even talking about when it comes to CTE. First off, the 15 perception is not a 15 degree offset. For either of you to think that, only shows that neither of you have really made any attempt whatsoever to understand CTE, but only both go out of your way to try and find something that you can disagree with about it.

Sad part is, your comments only showcase your ignorance, not your intelligence about the system.
 
ENGLISH! said:
If a straight in shot where shot from an edge to A 15* 'perception'...

then would not the manual 'pivot' have to be equal to a 15* differential...

in order to counter being on that line that is off by 15* to the true straight line shot?

If that is the case, as it would certainly seem to be a requirement, then what about ALL of the other shots?

Is one approaching ALL of them from 15* off of the true line & then the 'pivot' is then putting them back onto the true line.

If one is making the same defined pivot or sweep for ALL of the shots, then that would certainly seem to be the logical conclusion.

I did such a straight shot experiment yesterday, at the request of a CTE advocate. It only confirmed to me that there are variances needed from the described outline.

I could not make the precisely defined 1/2 tip 'pivot' negate the 15* angle & get back to the straight line shot. The ball cut left every time when done objectively & looking at the CB to be precise.

I could ONLY do it when I looked at the OB & varied the 'pivot' by adjusting the whole orientation of the cue stick to get it on line.

I think Dan White had similar results when he was shooting the infamous 5 shots 'perception' shots. When he looked at the CB & performed the 1/2 tip pivot purely objectively, he did NOT pocket the shots, but when he too looked at the OB & allowed himself to place the cue stick however appropriately as he saw fit, he did pocket the balls.

I know what that tells me, but I will leave it to each individual to make their own determinations.

Best Wishes to ALL During This Season.

PS I understand that 15 is just a round number for discussion purposes.
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Just to highlight a point.
 
The C- 3/4 Ball Hit illustration is the Edge to A line

If the cue is set at center ball & shot that is the result, "15*" for the sake of a round number or 14.5* to be precise.

Adding in viewing the CTE line simultaneously changes that slightly.


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ENGLISH! said:
The C- 3/4 Ball Hit illustration is the Edge to A line

If the cue is set at center ball & shot that is the result, "15*" for the sake of a round number or 14.5* to be precise.

Adding in viewing the CTE line simultaneously changes that slightly.


ball-hit_fractions.jpg
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What is the point of talking about CTE and then putting up a diagram of fractional aiming? Do you even realize that the diagram has nothing to do with CTE at all?
 
Neil said:
Well, you got that right! Same old foolishness from the same people.
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I very glad that you finally looked in the mirror & saw yourself for who & what you really are.

Perhaps now you will stop with your foolishness.

How long do you want to play this childish game that you apparently think is a display of some form of intelligence & continue to put yourself on display?
 
ENGLISH! said:
If a straight in shot where shot from an edge to A 15* 'perception'...

then would not the manual 'pivot' have to be equal to a 15* differential...

in order to counter being on that line that is off by 15* to the true straight line shot?

If that is the case, as it would certainly seem to be a requirement, then what about ALL of the other shots?

Is one approaching ALL of them from 15* off of the true line & then the 'pivot' is then putting them back onto the true line.
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Its official now. You are absolutely clueless about CTE.

Please. Please. Give up.
 
Neil said:
What is the point of talking about CTE and then putting up a diagram of fractional aiming? Do you even realize that the diagram has nothing to do with CTE at all?
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Just like Barton, I'm not going to discuss it with you for much the same reasons that Dan laid out regarding Barton.

You will do the same circle jerk & either not recognize your illogic or you do...

& will still do the circle jerk on purpose.

Either way your posts are useless to anyone with a logical mind & do nothing but breed frustration with your foolishness.

You don't even really understand what the issue is.

Go find somewhere else to play your games.

My next response to your foolishness will be one word...

Balderdash!

PS

Fractional has an Edge to the 1/4 line just has CTE has an Edge to the 1/4 line called A or C.

That is a common component & one that you made the topic with your troll like crap.
 
mista335 said:
Its official now. You are absolutely clueless about CTE.

Please. Please. Give up.
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What you quoted is the experiment that I was asked to do by a CTE advocate.

Perhaps you can explain exactly what is going on better than the other advocate for shooting a straight in shot with the ETA 'perception' & the 1/2 tip pivot. If you can... please feel free to do so.

Perhaps it is many of you that only 'know' what you think you are doing & not what is really going on & the reality of it.

It certainly seems that many have no clue what objective & objectivity really are nor what executing objectively is either.

Please feel free to explain the straight in shot with the ETA & 1/2 tip pivot.

PS

I know what a system is supposed to be. Systems do not have room for variances based on different subjective perceptions. Also if a supposed 'system' is based on subjective perceptions then it is not an objective system.
 
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