my two headed monster,.,.,.,.

Worminator said:
Please Leon, show us the website from which Manzino traced the images for his Evolution cue. It had to be very simple to do....
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I never once said that manzino traced that (design) so stop making your self look to big for your head Jamie,.....we all know here on AZ you like "corruption" because you always got your nose where it doesn't belong i guess it's in your DNA.
 
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nsafellow said:
Please read this

I am the person who purchased the cue in this thread.

I am not sure of the purpose of all of the negative statements on this thread.

I saw the cue liked it called Leon and chatted with him about it and then purchased it.

The cue is really beautiful, I have over 50 cues and his is in the middle of the pack in the price of them. I do know what a nice cue is and this one plays as good as it looks.

I see no reason for this thread to go on. I bought the cue and am glad I did. You should all be happy for me as I got a really good playing cue that also looks awesome.

I am so happy with this cue I am having Leon build another one for me based on what I would like to see in a cue.

I think that if you have nothing nice to say than don't say anything.

Have a great day all.....I know I will
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Well said. if the maker & customer are happy, that's all that matters. Can't wait to get my Sly. Very excited to go down to his shop & shake his hand & say thanks.
 
nsafellow said:
Please read this



Have a great day all.....I know I will
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with the kind of money you have to shell out for that many and that priced cues
wed all have a very nice day too

open forum, cant please em all, but we should all be able to express our views on anything posted
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leon sly said:
I never once said that manzino traced that (design) so stop making your self look to big for your head Jamie,.....we all know here on AZ you like "corruption" because you always got your nose where it doesn't belong i guess it's in your DNA.
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You are referring to posting in a public forum as "sticking my nose where it doesn't belong"? OK. And posting opinions is now "corruption"... who knew?

Tim mentioned Manzino in his post about you having a lot to learn to get to that level. You replied with all the stuff about building and designing cues as easy and all you have to do is go to websites and trace images, thus implying that is how all the cuemakers Tim mentioned get their designs. So I just asked to see the website you referred to.
 
nsafellow said:
Please read this

I am the person who purchased the cue in this thread.

I am not sure of the purpose of all of the negative statements on this thread.

I saw the cue liked it called Leon and chatted with him about it and then purchased it.

The cue is really beautiful, I have over 50 cues and his is in the middle of the pack in the price of them. I do know what a nice cue is and this one plays as good as it looks.

I see no reason for this thread to go on. I bought the cue and am glad I did. You should all be happy for me as I got a really good playing cue that also looks awesome.

I am so happy with this cue I am having Leon build another one for me based on what I would like to see in a cue.

I think that if you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything.

Have a great day all.....I know I will
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You bought a beautiful cue, play well with it, enjoy.
 
Using lgsm3 words from another thread you all girls need to get along. We are supposed to be friends. Life is short. Jamie, why don't you design a cue and have Sly do it? Challenge him!


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dom_poppa said:
Black Boar cues is something you buy your wife. Not a fan of the flowery effeminate design.

I don't think they would be that desirable if the cost were lower. At this point, its just having something that nobody has even if its a flowery design.
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The desirability is what drove up Black Boar prices in the first place, and they're not going any lower.
If for some reason BB prices were to drop a little, the desirability will still be the same
 
cuesblues said:
The desirability is what drove up Black Boar prices in the first place, and they're not going any lower.
If for some reason BB prices were to drop a little, the desirability will still be the same
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Yes, the desirability is the key but you have to have the balls to demand the kind of prices that Tony gets. Rome is never built in a day. He puts a price on his time and culls the potential customers. Tony has paid his dues for his elite status. Those who see the value pay the price. The ones that don't, buy cues of lessor value somewhere else. Markets are always right, people are wrong.

Leon can build any cue he wants and has all the skill sets to do as he pleases. So when a customer requests a cue like this he just fills an order. That's what professional CMs do. Fill orders by building cues. It does no hurt to Tony and makes Leon's customer happy. As far as workmanship or craftmanship is concerned his work speaks for itself.

So I say making cues like this is just a snap shot of the product that comes from Leon's shop at this time. The question is what will he be doing in 5 years when they are lining up to pay 10 grand for one of his future monster cues.

Being a full time cue maker and supporting a household is not and easy thing to do. Leon makes it look easy me thinks and that is the most important thing to do. Support yourself and pay your way in life.

I don't see any CMs knocking Leon because almost every one of them did the same thing that Leon is doing at one time before they developed individuality in their design. Cue Making is a journey and developmental process. There are no short cuts to getting to be recognized at a Master's Level. You must go through that process one step at a time. That is what my friend Leon has been doing.

JMO,

Rick
 
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Guerra Cues said:
Using lgsm3 words from another thread you all girls need to get along. We are supposed to be friends. Life is short. Jamie, why don't you design a cue and have Sly do it? Challenge him!


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tony, that won't happen this guy has been hawking me from day one i wouldn't give this guy oxygen if he needed it.
 
leon sly said:
tony, that won't happen this guy has been hawking me from day one i wouldn't give this guy oxygen if he needed it.
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Leon, PLEASE post some quotes from me that demonstrate me "hawking you" or as you say "corruption" towards you.

I may have challenged you on your design choices, but I have never attacked you nor do I have any personal ill will towards you.

Other than my posts in this thread.. here are the only other post I can find that were directed to you.

Worminator said:
Very nice ring work!
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Worminator said:
Thank you for the post Leon, I truly appreciate it.
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scdiveteam said:
Yes, the desirability is the key but you have to have the balls to demand the kind of prices that Tony gets. Rome is never built in a day. He puts a price on his time and culls the potential customers. Tony has paid his dues for his elite status. Those who see the value pay the price. The ones that don't, buy cues of lessor value somewhere else. Markets are always right, people are wrong.

Leon can build any cue he wants and has all the skill sets to do as he pleases. So when a customer requests a cue like this he just fills an order. That's what professional CMs do. Fill orders by building cues. It does no hurt to Tony and makes Leon's customer happy. As far as workmanship or craftmanship is concerned his work speaks for itself.

So I say making cues like this is just a snap shot of the product that comes from Leon's shop at this time. The question is what will he be doing in 5 years when they are lining up to pay 10 grand for one of his future monster cues.

Being a full time cue maker and supporting a household is not and easy thing to do. Leon makes it look easy me thinks and that is the most important thing to do. Support yourself and pay your way in life.

I don't see any CMs knocking Leon because almost every one of them did the same thing that Leon is doing at one time before they developed individuality in their design. Cue Making is a journey and developmental process. There are no short cuts to getting to be recognized at a Master's Level. You must go through that process one step at a time. That is what my friend Leon has been doing.

JMO,

Rick
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well statement brother rick
 
Worminator said:
Leon, PLEASE post some quotes from me that demonstrate me "hawking you" or as you say "corruption" towards you.

I may have challenged you on your design choices, but I have never attacked you nor do I have any personal ill will towards you.

Other than my posts in this thread.. here are the only other post I can find that were directed to you.
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Jamie, i don't have anything to ever say to you good luck with the rest of your journey in life i hope it fares well for you.
 
this is my thread i'll keep it going i'll start by posting a glimpse of up coming builds.



 
Leon,

Show Jamie the site with the standard design features that are 100s and 1000s of years old. That may shine some light on this discussion. We know these are not vectorized geometries and you have to physically draw them on your Cad and there is no tracing or anything like that.

I for one have been accused of ripping off Omega DPK by using complex box veneer rings on some of my cues when in fact they were inspired from decor trim on furniture legs from the 18th century French Master Furniture makers. Not owned by any cue maker.

Those design elements on those websites are seen everywhere, ornamental filigree, China, Silverware, architecture, fabric, and even neck ties, LOL.

I think if He sees one of the sites, he may embrace the fact that there are very few elements that have been placed on cues that are not a derivative of something from past history. Even if you sit down and draw something creative, it has been done before in someway somewhere.. Billions of people have come before us.

Again, "The Game is the Same, The Players are New".

This is a good thread if in the end, people are educated to facts as they truly exist concerning this subject.

JMO,

Rick
 
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scdiveteam said:
Leon,

Show Jamie the site with the standard design features that are 100s and 1000s of years old. That may shine some light on this discussion. We know these are not vectorized geometries and you have to physically draw them on your Cad and there is no tracing or anything like that.

I for one have been accused of ripping off Omega DPK by using complex box veneer rings on some of my cues when in fact they were inspired from decor trim on furniture legs from the 18th century French Master Furniture makers.

Those design elements on those websites are seen everywhere, ornamental filigree, China, Silverware, architecture, fabric, and even neck ties, LOL.

I think if He sees one of the sites, he may embrace the fact that there are very few elements that have been placed on cues that are not a derivative of something from past history. Even if you sit down and draw something creative, it has been done before in someway somewhere.. Billions of people have come before us.

Again, "The Game is the Same, The Players are New".

This is a good thread if in the end, people are educated to facts as they truly exist concerning this subject.

JMO,


Rick
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i know it will shine a trillion candlepower of light on this.
most of these already exist from a site.

"creative and imagination" not needed for those designs just a little knowledge of re trace, re vectorizing the image some clean up and scale to size, re radius or zero radius with knifing depends on how sharp you want your part...you'll need to cut some of these designs in with 4th axis rotary.... or what ever the A drive degree of rotation is needed for much wider designs for pocketing


I think if He sees one of the sites, he may embrace the fact that there are very few elements that have been placed on cues that are not a derivative of something from past history. Even if you sit down and draw something creative
 
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