My Varney Nightmare
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PROG8R said:
You have some good points, however, when you say how many here really know him, the entire forum knows Kevin. Because Actions speak louder than words Baby!! An person of clear mind and conscience, that is trust worthy, Honest, and who supports his family with his given trade would not do what he has done. The lies, dishonest behavior, and despicable business practices this man has used to deceive this forum is unacceptable.
The only thing Kevin can do to correct this perceived impression of himself, WHICH HE HAS EARNED BY HIS ACTIONS ALONE, is to come forward and apologize to this entire forum. Then he must correct the problems that brought him to the point he is at right at this moment. I am certain he is going to catch a great deal of flack, and many will not forgive his behavior, but I for one would allow my opinions to begin a new from that point forward.
Defending his actions solve no problems, if you want to help Kevin tell him to step up like a man and do the right thing. Outside of that you are pissing in the wind and we all know that the only thing accomplished is wet shoes!!!!!!!!!
No disrespect intended just my opinion!!!!!!:smile:
How many of you are posting these messages from your work computer when you could be doing other stuff for your company?
I am and that is what employee's are for
manwon said:You have some good points, however, when you say how many here really know him, the entire forum knows Kevin. Because Actions speak louder than words Baby!! An person of clear mind and conscience, that is trust worthy, Honest, and who supports his family with his given trade would not do what he has done. The lies, dishonest behavior, and despicable business practices this man has used to deceive this forum is unacceptable.
The only thing Kevin can do to correct this perceived impression of himself, WHICH HE HAS EARNED BY HIS ACTIONS ALONE, is to come forward and apologize to this entire forum. Then he must correct the problems that brought him to the point he is at right at this moment. I am certain he is going to catch a great deal of flack, and many will not forgive his behavior, but I for one would allow my opinions to begin a new from that point forward.
Defending his actions solve no problems, if you want to help Kevin tell him to step up like a man and do the right thing. Outside of that you are pissing in the wind and we all know that the only thing accomplished is wet shoes!!!!!!!!!
No disrespect intended just my opinion!!!!!!:smile:
How many of you are posting these messages from your work computer when you could be doing other stuff for your company?
I am and that is what employee's are for
No disrespect just my opinion is maybe you need to get a new cause other than slamming KV. Your Dog and Pony Show is getting old!!!!!!:smile:
I believe I read where you posted the Moderators, and Owner of AZB, have asked Kevin not to joint the flame war.
TRUE or FALSE?
Also have you personally been done wrong by KV?
Also I wonder how many really have a Cues on order with KV from AZB?
Last I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues.
CocoboloCowboy said:
IMO It's not getting old. If K.V. came on here and satisfied ALL the legitimate questions, came clean about the lies, and became a stand up guy, then I would agree with you. It seems we are a long way from that.
I think this will only stop when 1. K.V. admits he has problems(that's always the first step), 2. comes clean about everything, and/or 3. he stops conducting his business on here.
I'm actually expecting K.V. to come sniveling back, and start a thread sometime soon. I think he has 2 days left. Hopefully he'll do the right thing, if not, he deserves what he gets.
i don't know Mr. Varney nor Cincy, never spoke with them, seen any of Mr. Varney's cues, nor anything about either except what i read in these forums. i guess the only question i have is why there has been little if any response from Mr. Varney and his side explaining this situation in detail? being in the industry myself i know there are a myriad of "legitimate" things that can slow the delivery of a cue but if i were in the same position as him in this situation, i would have done anything and everything possible along the way to explain to the customer why their cue will be delayed and i would be the one contacting them about future delays first not wait till my customer gets the nerve to contact me so i can just tack on some more time to their cue "sentence". i can honestly say that if the time line and info that Cincy has described are correct there's no excuse for these actions. i've always found that in most cases the dog that "barks" the loudest is far less the sneaky one.
skins ------------- doesn't always trust any dog..............
skins ------------- doesn't always trust any dog..............
You work with the GOD of the timeline, Keith Josey. Keith NEVER missed a date on any of my cues or work. Guys like Keith spoil us, and guys like Kevin make me appreciate guys like Keith even more.skins said:
KV should take a page out of Keith's book - make every cue as if he was the customer.
sorry tennesse
for sure!! you got my back and make the best cues too!
i forgot about you and many others!! SORRY!!!!!!!!
you guys are all Great!
Coco, you should PAY "RESPECT" to MANWON!! he was and will always be a "MAN of HONOR"!! a man who dedicated his life for our "Country"!! To his wife Jennie and to BLESSED SARAH! HIS BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER!! he is my BROTHER!!!!!!!!
i divert: jcin:
i got the book today! first time in my life i Saluted a book! i know you will understand!
the name of the book is: THE LONE SURVIVOR;
QUOTE:
"On a clear night in late June 2005, four U.S. Navy Seals left there base in northern Afganistan for the mountainous Packistani border. Their mission was to capture or kill a notorious al Quida leader known to be ensconsed in a Taliban stronghold. Less than 24 hours later, only ONE of those Navy Seals Remained Alive!!
This is the story of Fire Team MARCUS LUTTREL (and his men!!!!) the sole survivor of OPERATION REDWING!!!!, and the desperate BATTLE in the mountains that led ULTIMATELY, to the largest loss of life in Navy SEAL history!!"
"Sniper Two One, this is Glimmer Three - preparing to move."
reply; "Rodger that."
it was the last time i spoke to them.........
PERSPECTIVE:
manwon is one of the best friends i have in this world. i am PROUD of him as a MAN. as a LIFER. as a father and as a husband.
make no mistake.
but i also want kevin to be WHOLE.
he is my friend too.
let's all just live "together".
cincy; got your back...
you can have my cue...
smokey
masonh said:
for sure!! you got my back and make the best cues too!
i forgot about you and many others!! SORRY!!!!!!!!
you guys are all Great!
Coco, you should PAY "RESPECT" to MANWON!! he was and will always be a "MAN of HONOR"!! a man who dedicated his life for our "Country"!! To his wife Jennie and to BLESSED SARAH! HIS BEAUTIFUL DAUGHTER!! he is my BROTHER!!!!!!!!
i divert: jcin:
i got the book today! first time in my life i Saluted a book! i know you will understand!
the name of the book is: THE LONE SURVIVOR;
QUOTE:
"On a clear night in late June 2005, four U.S. Navy Seals left there base in northern Afganistan for the mountainous Packistani border. Their mission was to capture or kill a notorious al Quida leader known to be ensconsed in a Taliban stronghold. Less than 24 hours later, only ONE of those Navy Seals Remained Alive!!
This is the story of Fire Team MARCUS LUTTREL (and his men!!!!) the sole survivor of OPERATION REDWING!!!!, and the desperate BATTLE in the mountains that led ULTIMATELY, to the largest loss of life in Navy SEAL history!!"
"Sniper Two One, this is Glimmer Three - preparing to move."
reply; "Rodger that."
it was the last time i spoke to them.........
PERSPECTIVE:
manwon is one of the best friends i have in this world. i am PROUD of him as a MAN. as a LIFER. as a father and as a husband.
make no mistake.
but i also want kevin to be WHOLE.
he is my friend too.
let's all just live "together".
cincy; got your back...
you can have my cue...
smokey
CocoboloCowboy said:
CocoboloCowboy said:
CocoboloCowboy said:CocoboloCowboy, PoolSlueth, and God only No's how many other usernames you have had, no disrespect to you either. But, you flatter me by claiming this is my Dog and Pony show:rotflmao1: Bruce, you can't be that confused. This is about a forum member who has screw other members and will continue to do so if not stopped. Where has he apologized to those who he screwed Bruce, where has he even made an attempt to come clean with the forum in general Bruce
Bruce, many forum members have yet to come forward because they are afraid that there cues will never come or they will come in poor condition like Kevin has threatened to do to Cincyman! Bruce are threats OK, is it OK to hold peoples money hostage and make them wait to get even because they complained about Kevin. Is it OK to post a photo of a members cues next to an AK-47 because the gentleman complained about Kevin's business practices.
believe I read where you posted the Moderators, and Owner of AZB, have asked Kevin not to joint the flame war.
No Bruce that is Kevin's line, he uses it every time he posts. I SAID IT WAS NOT TRUE BRUCE, BECAUSE IF IT WERE THE MOD'S WOULD HAVE POSTED THAT STATEMENT IN THE THREAD.
Yes, I have been done wrong by Kevin, along with every other forum member. Because it is people like Kevin that will make AZ Billiards a place where people are afraid to do business. The only strength members have are each other, and all members must stick together when one gets treated badly, Bruce it is all for one and one for all.
I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues
Bruce where are they!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO BRUCE WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!!!!
Bruce have you ever heard of Battered Wives syndrome, well maybe that is the case with all these people who are so happy and think Kevin is wonderful. These people have not entered this thread to voice an opinion, maybe it is because that the real problem is not about Kevin's cues, and that is all they can say about Kevin. How can you or anyone tell forum members who are getting screwed that they should not be upset because you got your cue and you are happy.
Kevin's only recourse is to apologize to the forum, come clean about what he has done wrong and hope people forgive him, outside of that this will never end and please Bruce why should it!!!!!!!!!!
No disrespect Bruce,I am just Confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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manwon said:
I love how these responses seem to get so personal with you. I'm electing to stay out of this for the most part because me posting in these threads is apparently bad for my health, all the subliminal threats and bullshit being thrown around. Here is a happy varney customer for you, now what can I add to the thread? (A button that paints a target on me, red rep away!) Most of us stay out of these threads because we have no business in them. If there is a problem, its between KV and that customer, not KV and AZB's forum whores.
Also, tonight was the first night I've been out to the pool hall in a while. I got to game with a few of the regulars to this particular pool hall. Not only did all 5 of them like my varney, two of them offered to buy it on the spot. I'm sad to say I might have to take them up on the offer, my car sadly needs a shit ton of work done to it, that I cannot afford right now...
What I love the most is how we have like 200 pages of like 12 different people who just keep bumping the threads over and over again. I ask how does this help the community? 'Protects future customers' or some equivalent saying we've all heard 100s of times before. Last time I checked, pool halls are still closing, interest is still dropping, and pool is not exactly in golden shining health. Yea there are a few tournaments and people trying to change that, and several events & businesses are being successful in doing so, but lets see how it all rolls out. The only person actually attempting to make a difference from my perspective, among others, is Smokey. He's done several stand up acts, and my hats off to him. I'll buy him a drink (or 15!) if I ever meet him.
Instead of just hating here, why not try to put together your thoughts and figure out a way to do something productive for pool?
LoGiC said:
If there is a problem, its between KV and that customer, not KV and AZB's forum whores.
Hello Logic, your term AZ Billiards Whores is exactly my feeling on this subject, but my only question is, who is Pimping you, because I am a free agent and have no Pimp!!!!!:thumbup:
Logic what have you added in the post that serves anyone on this forum. OK you like Kevin's cue, I have no problem with that, I have no real opinion on Kevin's cues. You have stated that the reason his customers are not posting is because of bad rep and threats. I know of no one who has added anything to these threads positive or negative has been given Bad Rep by me unless they attacked others with Bad Rep.
However, you and every other individual who is a Friend of Kevin's say nothing about what Kevin has done wrong, only that all the haters are attacking him. If you are really Kevin's Friend, please tell Kevin the following:
First and foremost Kevin needs to to apologize to this forum. Then Kevin needs to explain why he has done things in the manner he has. Then Kevin needs to properly take care of business, by taking care of this forums members in one of too ways.
1) A full refund of their money if they want it!!!!!!!!
2) Or by giving them a firm date and sticking to it, with no bull shit, and no lack of communication.
The entire forum I am certain is tired of the Kevin Varney threads, believe it or not I am also tired of these threads. However, I will not allow these threads to die, because then things will be business as usual for Kevin and more members will fall into Kevin's trap which can not be allowed to happen.
I have never taken a single thing from anyone on this forum, not money, or any other form of payment for my support, can you say the same thing?
I also think pool needs to make some major changes, and I think being honest, and having integrity are certainly where everything must start. The players have been robbed by dishonest promoters for too many years, but by bring Honesty and integrity back into this sport on all levels things can only end on happy note.
If you are Kevins friend, you should want to help, talk with Kevin, and stop blaming everyone else for his bad behavior.
Good night Logic!!!!!
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manwon said:
I know this for a fact as well. Thats all I will say.
Its a sad world when people have paid for something, cant say anything for fear of retaliation on their product that is years late, or come out publically and tell their story because they are afraid they will be pushed to the back of the line because they wont brown nose KV and give him good rep everytime he posts.
People are still missing the point. Cincy has a legit story and KV pretty much came out and called him an idiot and was trying to blame him for trying to jump spots after waiting for YEARS to get a 60 day cue.
These posts and my posts have jack shit to do with manwon other than agreeing with him. Ask any admin that reads our pm's, I probably have never pm'd him and if I did it was awhile ago and it wasnt about Varney.
So I ask you guys this, why would manwon want to take Varney down? Both get plenty of work and stay busy so what excuse would manwon have for 'bringing' Varney down like Varney claims?
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Rocket354 said:
:scratchhead:
:idea2:
I think I know where all of you guys went wrong. You failed to ask an important question up front:
Rocket354: KV, I need some shaft work. Can you help me?
KV: Sure I can, you know I do this sort of stuff for Ali Fisher all the time.
Rocket354: Cool, how long will it take?
KV: 2-3 days
WHAT YOU FORGOT TO SAY:
Rocket354: 2-3 days from the day you receive the shaft, or start work on it???
Same with the cues. I can turn out that cue in 60-90 days, pay me upfront.
Is that 60-90 days from when you get the money or start work on the cue???
Banger
manwon said:CocoboloCowboy said:CocoboloCowboy said:CocoboloCowboy, PoolSlueth, and God only No's how many other usernames you have had, no disrespect to you either. But, you flatter me by claiming this is my Dog and Pony show:rotflmao1: Bruce, you can't be that confused. This is about a forum member who has screw other members and will continue to do so if not stopped. Where has he apologized to those who he screwed Bruce
Bruce, many forum members have yet to come forward because they are afraid that there cues will never come or they will come in poor condition like Kevin has threatened to do to Cincyman! Bruce are threats OK, is it OK to hold peoples money hostage and make them wait to get even because they complained about Kevin. Is it OK to post a photo of a members cues next to an AK-47 because the gentleman complained about Kevin's business practices.
believe I read where you posted the Moderators, and Owner of AZB, have asked Kevin not to joint the flame war.
No Bruce that is Kevin's line, he uses it every time he posts. I SAID IT WAS NOT TRUE BRUCE, BECAUSE IF IT WERE THE MOD'S WOULD HAVE POSTED THAT STATEMENT IN THE THREAD.
Yes, I have been done wrong by Kevin, along with every other forum member. Because it is people like Kevin that will make AZ Billiards a place where people are afraid to do business. The only strength members have are each other, and all members must stick together when one gets treated badly, Bruce it is all for one and one for all.
I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues
Bruce where are they!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO BRUCE WHERE ARE THEY!!!!!!!!
Bruce have you ever heard of Battered Wives syndrome, well maybe that is the case with all these people who are so happy and think Kevin is wonderful. These people have not entered this thread to voice an opinion, maybe it is because that the real problem is not about Kevin's cues, and that is all they can say about Kevin. How can you or anyone tell forum members who are getting screwed that they should not be upset because you got your cue and you are happy.
Kevin's only recourse is to apologize to the forum, come clean about what he has done wrong and hope people forgive him, outside of that this will never end and please Bruce why should it!!!!!!!!!!
No disrespect Bruce,I am just Confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well Manwon in this thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1269528#post1269528
Post 287 you stated:
I cut and pasted it:
manwon said:
As I said before that about sums up why KV is quiet.
Now I will ask you again.
Have you personally been done wrong by KV? If so how?
Also I wonder how many really have a Cues on order with KV from AZB? Do you know that answer to that question?
Why don't you let KV, and Customer work out their problems.
Last I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues.
FYI I do not own a KV Cue, I have never met KV, but I believe the man several times in the past has communicated about his on going family problems.
Having a small business at time can be very hard on some people when they hit bumps in the business road.
NUFF SAID.
CocoboloCowboy said:manwon said:
Well Manwon in this thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1269528#post1269528
Post 287 you stated:
I cut and pasted it:
As I said before that about sums up why KV is quiet.
Now I will ask you again.
Have you personally been done wrong by KV? If so how?
Also I wonder how many really have a Cues on order with KV from AZB? Do you know that answer to that question?
Why don't you let KV, and Customer work out their problems.
Last I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues.
FYI I do not own a KV Cue, I have never met KV, but I believe the man several times in the past has communicated about his on going family problems.
Having a small business at time can be very hard on some people when they hit bumps in the business road.
NUFF SAID.
If anything the snips you were kind enough to cut and paste validate what MANWON is expressing.
You may be confused and I hope it's not contagious.
Ooohing and aaahing over cases isn't as complicated.
The reason K is getting this level of exposure is because of the way he conducts business and how he treats some customers.
Do you think the 20 customers ahead of "CINCY" ( who, all things being equal, placed orders before "CINCY") are going to remain mute? Should they????
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CocoboloCowboy said:manwon said:
Well Manwon in this thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1269528#post1269528
Post 287 you stated:
I cut and pasted it:
As I said before that about sums up why KV is quiet.
Now I will ask you again.
Have you personally been done wrong by KV? If so how?
Also I wonder how many really have a Cues on order with KV from AZB? Do you know that answer to that question?
Why don't you let KV, and Customer work out their problems.
Last I understand KV has many happy customer, who love him, and his Cues.
FYI I do not own a KV Cue, I have never met KV, but I believe the man several times in the past has communicated about his on going family problems.
Having a small business at time can be very hard on some people when they hit bumps in the business road.
NUFF SAID.
I am sorry for arguing with you, you obviously have some form of a comprehension problem, Alzheimer's or another from of dementia. I will not get into a battle of wits with some one so unable to respond or even understand.
You win, and let us leave it that!!!!!
Good Day