Need help IDing a Table

[paradox]

Can someone help me in identifying a table? It is supposed to be a 1800's era brunswick 9' table. Unfortunately the wall rack was sold seperately from the table. I am getting it for my victorian house, it should be a nice addition once I clean the table up and knock out a wall to accomodate it...

 

[Russ Chewning]

Can someone help me in identifying a table? It is supposed to be a 1800's era brunswick 9' table. Unfortunately the wall rack was sold seperately from the table. I am getting it for my victorian house, it should be a nice addition once I clean the table up and knock out a wall to accomodate it...

Mebbe.. But some people can't access photbucket from their network.. It's always better to upload your pics from your PC.

I can't see them..

Russ

 

[manwon]

Can someone help me in identifying a table? It is supposed to be a 1800's era brunswick 9' table. Unfortunately the wall rack was sold seperately from the table. I am getting it for my victorian house, it should be a nice addition once I clean the table up and knock out a wall to accomodate it...

Here is your table, keep in mind that the pictured table is a 3-Cushion table. Your table may also be a combination of tables it is hard to be certain. Many times the tables legs were switched to another frame which made a hybrid.

Below is a link, I hope it helps!!!!!

http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/our_rich_history/antique_tables/algeria.html

Have a great night!!

 

[pdcue]

Can someone help me in identifying a table? It is supposed to be a 1800's era brunswick 9' table. Unfortunately the wall rack was sold seperately from the table. I am getting it for my victorian house, it should be a nice addition once I clean the table up and knock out a wall to accomodate it...

Not 1800s - could be early 1900s
but, most likely circa 1920.

What shape are the spots?
Diamond shaped ivory would indicate pre WWI - 1910 +/- 5 yrs
Round Mother-of-Pearl dots mean likely, 1920s - 30s

Can you get a pic of the head rail with nameplate?
FWIW - you might get more info on 'Talk to a Mechanic' forum

Dale Pierce

 

[NineBallNut]

I think manwon is correct. It looks like the table in that link and that was my first guess when I saw it. Good thing I read his post, I almost posted the same link.

 

[pdcue]

I think manwon is correct. It looks like the table in that link and that was my first guess when I saw it. Good thing I read his post, I almost posted the same link.

The Bruns site is a good place to start, it has lots of great info.
Prior to the Internet, only a handfull of people in the
country knew what you can learn in an hour of browsing.

But, IMHO - the posters table is not an Algeria.
Note the trim moulding at the corners of the cabinet

Bruns thumped out tons of tables in those days, often with
only minor variations.

Dale Pierce

 

[n10spool]

Some dealers mixed up parts and changed name plates also. I think so far that its a wellington body with algeria legs so far pocket irons look like #6 instead of #3's. Probably a 3 piece slate instead of 4 pieces just a guess.

there are 4-5 websites with alot of old pictures of refurbished tables might find another to compare it too.

Craig

 

[manwon]

Some dealers mixed up parts and changed name plates also. I think so far that its a wellington body with algeria legs so far pocket irons look like #6 instead of #3's. Probably a 3 piece slate instead of 4 pieces just a guess.

there are 4-5 websites with alot of old pictures of refurbished tables might find another to compare it too.

Craig

Craig, I also think that the table has mixed parts, If I were the owner I would comapre the componet numbers.

 

[paradox]

Craig, I also think that the table has mixed parts, If I were the owner I would comapre the componet numbers.

Thank you for all of the replies, I aplologize for not posting this in the table mech area...

I thought it looked similar to the Algeria, but not completely (I found the link that was posted up, that prompted me to ask here since it was only similar).

I bought the table, sight unseen for $800, which still seems to be a good deal. I need to go 200 miles to go pick it up. I really wish I could have gotten it with the wall rack.

I will post pics of the top of the rails and all appropriate markings as soon as I see the table in person.

I will make a new post in table mech area to get tips on what to do to restore this table to its original beauty. Anyone know what a table like this might be worth? I am just curious, I am not so interested in trying to sell it unless it was worth what the table from iowa that is always on ebay (the $225,000 one) is worth.

Once again, thanks to everyone, and if anyone else has more information I would love to hear it.

 

[Scott Lee]

The value of old pool tables varies as much as the value of old cues. Lots depend on the condition, ornate details, age, and demand. The table you mention on ebay will never sell, at that price, or anything close to it. Tables like yours, in the same condition, and age, routinely sell for $1000-$2000. $800 is a decent buy, but if you have it reconditioned by a professional, you will likely have several thousand more invested in it. Would you be able to get your investment back (and/or make a profit) if you sold it? That's the $64,000 question. If the table is different components, as suggested by other posters, the table will never bring top dollar. If you restore the table for your own pleasure, then you have your own version of a 'family heirloom', but the value is in owning it...not trying to sell it. jmo

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[paradox]

The value of old pool tables varies as much as the value of old cues. Lots depend on the condition, ornate details, age, and demand. The table you mention on ebay will never sell, at that price, or anything close to it. Tables like yours, in the same condition, and age, routinely sell for $1000-$2000. $800 is a decent buy, but if you have it reconditioned by a professional, you will likely have several thousand more invested in it. Would you be able to get your investment back (and/or make a profit) if you sold it? That's the $64,000 question. If the table is different components, as suggested by other posters, the table will never bring top dollar. If you restore the table for your own pleasure, then you have your own version of a 'family heirloom', but the value is in owning it...not trying to sell it. jmo

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,
Thanks for the reply. I was joking a bit about trying to sell it at a profit, but I would probablly sell it with the house because I believe it would go so well with it. I just want a good 9' table to shoot with since it is nearly an hour drive to the nearest GOOD poolroom with 9' tables. Not to mention the cost of everything involved and I could get a good practice session in at home in the time it would take me just to do the round trip drive...that is the REAL value!

 

[pdcue]

Scott,
Thanks for the reply. I was joking a bit about trying to sell it at a profit, but I would probablly sell it with the house because I believe it would go so well with it. I just want a good 9' table to shoot with since it is nearly an hour drive to the nearest GOOD poolroom with 9' tables. Not to mention the cost of everything involved and I could get a good practice session in at home in the time it would take me just to do the round trip drive...that is the REAL value!

Scott was on point with his comments. I can understand wanting to know
the market value even tho you don't want to sell - IMHO that is
typical of many people. Antiques Road Show is pretty much all about it.

Some additional thoughts

Your table is built of Poplar with a veneer, likely oak, stained dark
Mahogany<blaskish brown>. If the legs are from an Algeria, the veener will
be 1/4 sawn Golden Oak, just like the gazillion or so Aviators out there.
The cabinet may be some other veneer, Mahogany would be likely.

There are many resources on refinishing, should you want to go that
far. If so, IMHO - you should avoid chemical strippers like the plauge,
Don't even think about 'dipping' to strip the stain/finish

Dale Pierce