Need Help on OLD Palmer

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jkmarshall_cues

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I found what I believe to be a 1st catalog 1965 Palmer Original with small print on silver foil with "Joey G." This cue is 60", butt and shafts are all 30"s, I've never seen this before on an early Palmer . Brass joint screw is a 5/16-14 not 18, with a silver/nickel 1" joint collar. Also, the joint screw has the indentation on the ball end identifying it as a very early Palmer according to Chris Tate aka the Palmer Collector. Shafts have screw on ferrules with metal threaded tennons.

What I need help with is who (other than Burton Spain) made full spliced blanks this way??? And, the finish is old, faded, nicked and chipped, and appears to be original, would this cue be better off having a refinish, or leaving it as is and adding a leather wrap? I can see where a sharp exacto knife has cut a straight line to seam a leather wrap at one time.

Lastly, do any of you remember a player from around the 1965 era named Joey G. that played with a 60" cue????

Thank you for your comments and identification.

John Marshall



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Thank you, yes it is a sweet cue, and all parts roll straight. This may be the diamond in the ruff, but then again it may be nothing out of the ordinary. I also collect Palmers, so at this time it's not for sale.

Thank you for your interest however.

John
 
well i believe the first early palmers were 14 thread. also they could be custom ordered longer. ose garcia has a 59'' wedge palmer with like 5 original shafts. i think everything looks good
 
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Temptation says refinish and make it pretty. I believe it should be left in its current condition. Would have more collector interest and perceived value left alone. Would put back wrap as close to original. Btw nice cue.
 
jkmarshall_cues said:
I found what I believe to be a 1st catalog 1965 Palmer Original with small print on silver foil with "Joey G." This cue is 60", butt and shafts are all 30"s, I've never seen this before on an early Palmer . Brass joint screw is a 5/16-14 not 18, with a silver/nickel 1" joint collar. Also, the joint screw has the indentation on the ball end identifying it as a very early Palmer according to Chris Tate aka the Palmer Collector. Shafts have screw on ferrules with metal threaded tennons.

What I need help with is who (other than Burton Spain) made full spliced blanks this way??? And, the finish is old, faded, nicked and chipped, and appears to be original, would this cue be better off having a refinish, or leaving it as is and adding a leather wrap? I can see where a sharp exacto knife has cut a straight line to seam a leather wrap at one time.

Lastly, do any of you remember a player from around the 1965 era named Joey G. that played with a 60" cue????

Thank you for your comments and identification.

John Marshall



Many early Palmers used this method to join the forearm to the handle. I beleive it was a technique that they developed themselves. But Helmstetter also used it, and it appears that Burton Spain did not use it until the 1980's.

Read the thread below, from the middle to the end the above joining technique is discussed.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=104608

Hope this helps
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Wow, thanks Craig. Great read. It's amazing how convoluted the full-spliced blank is. I sure hope someone comes across receipts that can verify the true builders of these Spain, Balner, Wico, and Meucci blanks.

John
 
jkmarshall_cues said:
Wow, thanks Craig. Great read. It's amazing how convoluted the full-spliced blank is. I sure hope someone comes across receipts that can verify the true builders of these Spain, Balner, Wico, and Meucci blanks.

John
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You forgot Adam cues (Dick Helemstetter) all the early Adam cues used the exact same technique.

Take care, and I am glad I could help.
 
Hi John,

It's a Model 9 from the 1st catalog, with a Palmer shop built blank. That's a pretty early cue.

I'll find out the story on the 5/16X 14 thread and get back to you. I have a couple of early cues with similar looking pins but they're all 18 thread.

Chris
 
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Hi John,

It's a Model 9 from the 1st catalog, with a Palmer shop built blank. That's a pretty early cue.

I'll find out the story on the 5/16X 14 thread and get back to you. I have a couple of early cues with similar looking pins but they're all 18 thread.

Chris
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Could it be a Paradise?

The 5/16 - 14 pin indicates Paradise - does the foil say Palmer?

I've never seen, nor heard of a Palmer with 14 thread

Dale
 
i read somewhere that the very first palmers had 14 pins.

thought it was tates site but guess not

i know i read it and the hole in the pin is accurate too
 
dave sutton said:
i read somewhere that the very first palmers had 14 pins.

thought it was tates site but guess not

i know i read it and the hole in the pin is accurate too
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Dave Sutton heard right. I just got the word from Peter Balner that they used the 5/16X14 screw when they first started out for a year or two, then switched to the 5/16 X 18 after that (and stuck with it). The hole in the pin too is seen on early Palmer's.

My assumption is that John's cue happens to be a very early Palmer.

Chris
 
Many early Palmers used this method to join the forearm to the handle. I beleive it was a technique that they developed themselves. But Helmstetter also used it, and it appears that Burton Spain did not use it until the 1980's.
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I have not seen any Spain blanks that used a splice just like that. Now I did not start buying blanks from him until the last years so I have not seen all his methods, but his later full splice with ebony points went right over the top of the butterfly splice and reduced the amount of ebony in the cue. I have a earlier Spain but I doubt I will ever remove the wrap to see how the splice was done. Adam Cue used the pictured splice alot.
 
yea he started out with the bigger thread on his pins. i complained then that his shafts wouldnt fit any of the paradice, so he had to use the smaller threads on the butts i would bring him . i guess he changed over because of that.
 
I sure wish someone would see these pics and know the forearm builder. It's killing me!! Thanks everyone for your views.

John
 
jkmarshall_cues said:
I sure wish someone would see these pics and know the forearm builder. It's killing me!! Thanks everyone for your views.

John
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well there werent many so... we have a good start.

how even are the points?

ive seen some palmer blanks but none were full splice and none were even close to that good. could be wrong about the fullsplice part from palmer but its clean

im thinking spain. was adams making blanks in 1964-65? thats the years of that cue
 
jkmarshall_cues said:
I sure wish someone would see these pics and know the forearm builder. It's killing me!! Thanks everyone for your views.

John
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John and Dave,

Peter Balner built those full splice blanks himself right in the Palmer shop - this info is from Peter Balner who was there working with him during those years. They were fairly crude at first, but they became better as time went on. This one was likely made a few years before Burton Spain was making blanks.

Chris
 
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