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Hello,

We are planning a trip to help some relatives and customers near New Orleans. If any of you have information on which roads and bridges are out and which ones are drivable please let us know. Also please let us know if there is gas available in that area.

Thanks,

John
 
onepocketchump said:
Hello,

We are planning a trip to help some relatives and customers near New Orleans. If any of you have information on which roads and bridges are out and which ones are drivable please let us know. Also please let us know if there is gas available in that area.

Thanks,

John

Good luck John. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. Hope all goes well.
 
Best wishes to you. I hope all is well with family and friends. They need it. Last I heard they werent letting anyone in or out of the city.
 
onepocketchump said:
Hello,

We are planning a trip to help some relatives and customers near New Orleans. If any of you have information on which roads and bridges are out and which ones are drivable please let us know. Also please let us know if there is gas available in that area.

Thanks,

John


I heard on the news that they won't let any body in those areas to help out at all they said if they were bring food water and things to family or some thing they would make ya stay out and the people who go in the areas get malled by the looters taking your food and water. this is just what I heard on the news so good luck.
 
John,

Be very careful. Some of the stations here in Fla are out of gas right now. I can only imagine that it is worse as you get closer to Ga, Alabama, and Louisiana. I heard that they were trying to discourage people from driving on the roads in and around N.O. because some of the roads are washed out and very dangerous at night. Be careful!

Debra
 
need more info where you are trying to go

You are not going to get to New Orleans or anywhere south or east of it. I am in Laplace just west of New Orleans and I have to produce a driver's license with a local address at state police or military checkpoints to even get this far. I-55 and I-10 are passable but don't waste time trying to come without confirming with the state police that you can reach the area. The Louisiana State Police did set up a hotline to call about road closures but I don't have that number anymore.

Gas is a major issue anywhere near new Orleans and on the main routes in. Fill at least twenty gallons of extra containers well out and top off at every opportunity once within 150 miles of New Orleans. Bring a few fifty-five gallon drums and a pump and you will be a hero to your friends and customers if you can get to them.

Of course the conditions change by the hour and there are places with gas and food for at least a few hours. Which reminds me, bring plenty of food and water to last your entire stay as well as the coolers that plug into your vehicle or all of the block ice you can carry. All of these things are in short supply. Also be aware that there is no cell phone communication in the area and that land lines are struggling to stay functional and may be lost at any time.

E-mail me at hu at shootingarts.com for specific info. Power and net are up and down so I may not be able to respond rapidly.

Hu
 
I spoke with my mom again today, and she said they are under martial law even in Mississippi. There has been one stabbing and one shooting over gas already, and this is a small town of about 7000. She has someone trying to bring her gas about every three or four days. She burns about 6-8 gallons a night running the generators, keeping the freezers cold and running a few fans to sleep. During the day they do not run anything at all. They have power across the street from her, but not at her house. The gas station across the road refuses to open because he is scared of looting or being robbed or worse...

She is saying people fleeing out of New Orleans are really disrupting things crime wise, but I am unsure.

My mom sounded pretty fearful, but she is glad to have a loaded .357 by her side. This is a very tiny town, and I don't think FEMA or the Red Cross give two hoots about it. It's about 50 miles or so outside of N'awlins as they say. She is about 6 miles from the LA line.

I think the main concern is gasoline and food for her. She has meat she can cook, but bread and chips and such would be helpful. They really were caught off guard.

My step-dad is an oil and gas well consultant, and he had to go close down the final few wells he had going still because of a lack of gas to go manage them.

Hopefully they will get some help SOON.

Shorty
 
Shorty is your mom near . . .?

Shorty,

Is your mom near Picyune or that area? I have some friends there or in the next little town that I can't contact. It would be nice to at least have some idea how hard the area was hit.

Thanks for any info,
Hu

Shorty said:
She is saying people fleeing out of New Orleans are really disrupting things crime wise, but I am unsure.

My mom sounded pretty fearful, but she is glad to have a loaded .357 by her side. This is a very tiny town, and I don't think FEMA or the Red Cross give two hoots about it. It's about 50 miles or so outside of N'awlins as they say. She is about 6 miles from the LA line.

I think the main concern is gasoline and food for her. She has meat she can cook, but bread and chips and such would be helpful. They really were caught off guard.

My step-dad is an oil and gas well consultant, and he had to go close down the final few wells he had going still because of a lack of gas to go manage them.

Hopefully they will get some help SOON.

Shorty
 
onepocketchump said:
Hello,

We are planning a trip to help some relatives and customers near New Orleans. If any of you have information on which roads and bridges are out and which ones are drivable please let us know. Also please let us know if there is gas available in that area.

Thanks,

John

Good luck on your noble mission.

All your posts on this horrible tragedy, John, have been compassionate and uplifting. Here's hoping you find those who make your world more special to be safe and well.
 
onepocketchump said:
Hello,

We are planning a trip to help some relatives and customers near New Orleans. If any of you have information on which roads and bridges are out and which ones are drivable please let us know. Also please let us know if there is gas available in that area.

Thanks,

John
Here's a story from a guy who has just driven into NO to pick up some people:
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http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/008807.html#more

You may be able to contact him by email via that link:

Writes Ronald J. Theriot, Jr.:

"Mr. Rockwell: On Tues. August 30th I went to St. John the Baptist Parish Civil Defense and asked if they needed volunteers to help w/the rescue operations in New Orleans. They seemed indifferent and said they didn't know but to leave my name and number.

"After a while they found the pad to write the names on. Today, Sept. 2nd, they'd still not called. I went back over there and asked what they thought about setting up civilian convoys to get people out of New Orleans. They looked at me like I was crazy and said no one could get into the city.

"I thought I'd try anyway. Within 30-40 minutes I was across the Orleans Parish line driving down Oak St., Carrollton Ave., and St. Charles Ave. all the way to Lowerline St. There was no water on the streets anywhere I went. There was no evidence of looting on the two avenues and I even saw a couple of people on a balcony. They seemed to be okay.

"On the way back to LaPlace I picked up thr! ee people, two men and a woman, who'd escaped from St. Bernard Parish. They'd been bussed to the Airport in Kenner and said they were kept like they were in a prison camp. They were frightened to get onto a crowded school bus for a 120 mile trip west.

"A law enforcement guy told them, "If ya get off the bus ya gotta walk ta Lafayette." They said they'd do that. They were extremely grateful to me. I gave them $30 and let them call their father from St. John Civil Defense. The cops at Civil Defen' I said, 'I'm with America.' When I was leaving the head deputy told me, 'Hey, for now on this is a DOC, not a recovery unit!' Whatever that meant. I guess they were busy because about ten of them were standing around laughing, smoking, and drinking coffee. Tomorrow I'll try to run some more missions.

"I thought you'd like to have proof that there is, in fact, an all dry surface route into the city."
 
It's obvious people can get around New Orleans - we see it on TV all day. That TV commentator is there with his cameraman and their van and maybe a couple other people.

That is not the problem. There were 200,000 to 300,000 that remained in New Orleans and did not evacuate. Now they have to be rescued. And where do you put them? And how do you take care of them?

Sending in the Military sounds good but the military evacuted in front of the storm. Then they had to return, reform, resupply, and prepare for the long haul.

The French quarter is relatively untouched from what they showed on TV last night. But that man you saw on the balcony is probably a Navy Seal. It seems that the owners there hired a bunch of Navy Seals to protect their property. People bent on looting would not be welcome there.

Until you have confronted a mob intent on looting you have no idea how dangerous it is. When you point a .38 cal at them and they say that aint shit, you better put it away before we jam it up your ass, you get the idea.

Route 10 across the lake is gone.

Your intentions are great, hopefully you don't become part of the problem and the rescuers have to be taken off their projects to go in and rescue you. if you get a flat and stop to change a tire the last words you may hear could be, "give it up dude".
 
ShootingArts said:
Shorty,

Is your mom near Picyune or that area? I have some friends there or in the next little town that I can't contact. It would be nice to at least have some idea how hard the area was hit.

Thanks for any info,
Hu

Yeah, my mom is in Columbia. It's a small town north of Picayune about 30 minutes I believe. I know the area was really hit bad as far as power and phone service. I hope that they will be back online soon...my mom did say they may have power next week, but they are still unsure.

Shorty
 
thanks for the info

Thanks for the info and good luck to your mom. I am ferrying a few supplies to the hospital in Lacombe and may be able to get something to your mother if she needs it, let me know.

Hu
 
jjinfla said:
It's obvious people can get around New Orleans - we see it on TV all day. That TV commentator is there with his cameraman and their van and maybe a couple other people.

That is not the problem. There were 200,000 to 300,000 that remained in New Orleans and did not evacuate. Now they have to be rescued. And where do you put them? And how do you take care of them?

.

Jake...There are areas right in N.O. that have the ability to shelter tens of thousands of people, but are being denied the opportunity to help out...read this terrible account:

'This is criminal': Malik Rahim
reports from New Orleans

by Malik Rahim

[Note: Malik Rahim, a veteran of the Black Panther Party in New Orleans, for decades an organizer of public housing tenants both there and in San Francisco and a recent Green Party candidate for New Orleans City Council, lives in the Algiers neighborhood, the only part of New Orleans that is not flooded. They have no power, but the water is still good and the phones work. Their neighborhood could be sheltering and feeding at least 40,000 refugees, he says, but they are allowed to help no one. What he describes is nothing less than deliberate genocide against Black and poor people. - R.S.]
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New Orleans, Sept. 1, 2005 -- It's criminal. From what you're hearing, the people trapped in New Orleans are nothing but looters. We're told we should be more "neighborly." But nobody talked about being neighborly until after the people who could afford to leave -- left.

If you ain't got no money in America, you're on your own. People were told to go to the Superdome, but they have no food, no water there. And before they could get in, people had to stand in line for 4-5 hours in the rain because everybody was being searched one by one at the entrance.

I can understand the chaos that happened after the tsunami, because they had no warning, but here there was plenty of warning. In the three days before the hurricane hit, we knew it was coming and everyone could have been evacuated.

We have Amtrak here that could have carried everybody out of town. There were enough school buses that could have evacuated 20,000 people easily, but they just let them be flooded. My son watched 40 buses go underwater - they just wouldn't move them, afraid they'd be stolen.

People who could afford to leave were so afraid someone would steal what they own that they just let it all be flooded. They could have let a family without a vehicle borrow their extra car, but instead they left it behind to be destroyed.

There are gangs of white vigilantes near here riding around in pickup trucks, all of them armed, and any young Black they see who they figure doesn't belong in their community, they shoot him. I tell them, "Stop! You're going to start a riot."

When you see all the poor people with no place to go, feeling alone and helpless and angry, I say this is a consequence of HOPE VI. New Orleans took all the HUD money it could get to tear down public housing, and families and neighbors who'd relied on each other for generations were uprooted and torn apart.

Most of the people who are going through this now had already lost touch with the only community they'd ever known. Their community was torn down and they were scattered. They'd already lost their real homes, the only place where they knew everybody, and now the places they've been staying are destroyed.

But nobody cares. They're just lawless looters ... dangerous.

The hurricane hit at the end of the month, the time when poor people are most vulnerable. Food stamps don't buy enough but for about three weeks of the month, and by the end of the month everyone runs out. Now they have no way to get their food stamps or any money, so they just have to take what they can to survive.

Many people are getting sick and very weak. From the toxic water that people are walking through, little scratches and sores are turning into major wounds.

People whose homes and families were not destroyed went into the city right away with boats to bring the survivors out, but law enforcement told them they weren't needed. They are willing and able to rescue thousands, but they're not allowed to.

Every day countless volunteers are trying to help, but they're turned back. Almost all the rescue that's been done has been done by volunteers anyway.

My son and his family - his wife and kids, ages 1, 5 and 8 - were flooded out of their home when the levee broke. They had to swim out until they found an abandoned building with two rooms above water level.

There were 21 people in those two rooms for a day and a half. A guy in a boat who just said "I'm going to help regardless" rescued them and took them to Highway I-10 and dropped them there.

They sat on the freeway for about three hours, because someone said they'd be rescued and taken to the Superdome. Finally they just started walking, had to walk six and a half miles.

When they got to the Superdome, my son wasn't allowed in - I don't know why - so his wife and kids wouldn't go in. They kept walking, and they happened to run across a guy with a tow truck that they knew, and he gave them his own personal truck.

When they got here, they had no gas, so I had to punch a hole in my gas tank to give them some gas, and now I'm trapped. I'm getting around by bicycle.

People from Placquemine Parish were rescued on a ferry and dropped off on a dock near here. All day they were sitting on the dock in the hot sun with no food, no water. Many were in a daze; they've lost everything.

They were all sitting there surrounded by armed guards. We asked the guards could we bring them water and food. My mother and all the other church ladies were cooking for them, and we have plenty of good water.

But the guards said, "No. If you don't have enough water and food for everybody, you can't give anything." Finally the people were hauled off on school buses from other parishes.

You know Robert King Wilkerson (the only one of the Angola 3 political prisoners who's been released). He's been back in New Orleans working hard, organizing, helping people. Now nobody knows where he is. His house was destroyed. Knowing him, I think he's out trying to save lives, but I'm worried.

The people who could help are being shipped out. People who want to stay, who have the skills to save lives and rebuild are being forced to go to Houston.

It's not like New Orleans was caught off guard. This could have been prevented.

There's military right here in New Orleans, but for three days they weren't even mobilized. You'd think this was a Third World country.

I'm in the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans, the only part that isn't flooded. The water is good. Our parks and schools could easily hold 40,000 people, and they're not using any of it.

This is criminal. These people are dying for no other reason than the lack of organization.

Everything is needed, but we're still too disorganized. I'm asking people to go ahead and gather donations and relief supplies but to hold on to them for a few days until we have a way to put them to good use.

I'm challenging my party, the Green Party, to come down here and help us just as soon as things are a little more organized. The Republicans and Democrats didn't do anything to prevent this or plan for it and don't seem to care if everyone dies.
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It appears that our military has moved the last of the survivors out of New Orleans.
a really great job. Yet people are still bitching..

A General on TV agrees with you that there was no organization in New Orleans and he blames the Mayor and Governor. All rescue work starts with them and they failed miserably. Why didn't the Governor call up the National Guard? No one but the Governor can do that.

Why did New Orleans not have a siren system to notify people if and when the levee broke? That would seem like a very simple system to install. Especially now that all I hear is that everyone expected the levee to give sooner or later.

Black Panthers? Sorry, I'm from Chicago and all they wanted to do there was shoot cops.

At the pool hall today a friend told me that he was from the St Bernard parish in New Orleans and that is all white and is worried about the people there because it is all under water. Then about 15 minutes ago on FOX TV a man came on and said he is tired of all this BS about race and what about the people in St. Bernard? When they finally get around to that section he said all they will find is bodies. But the TV will not show them because they will be white and that will not make good TV. Hopefully they all evacuated prior to the flood. We will find out in two or three months when the water goes down.

So many blacks like to toss that race card and use words like genocide but I don't recall seeing Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or Abernathy running there and bringing aid to the people. All they do is bitch and say "it is Bush's fault". How pathetic. Then I look at the rescue workers and the majority of them are white.

Would you believe that the Governor of New Orleans has just no announced that New Orleans is a heath emergency and that clears the way to bring in medical teams. I suppose this will get blamed on President Bush too.

Not much I can do - just send a check to the Salvation Army and hope it helps someone.
 
99.44% pure drivel

This is 99.44% pure drivel driven by a political agenda. Everything he says about the large picture is lies. I can't confirm or prove untrue claims about small incidents but I am left very skeptical when I see that all of his claims about the larger picture are outright lies.

Hu(12 miles from New Orleans, talking to rescue workers WHO ARE THERE daily.)

Scott Lee said:
Jake...There are areas right in N.O. that have the ability to shelter tens of thousands of people, but are being denied the opportunity to help out...read this terrible account:

'This is criminal': Malik Rahim
reports from New Orleans

by Malik Rahim

[Note: Malik Rahim, a veteran of the Black Panther Party in New Orleans, for decades an organizer of public housing tenants both there and in San Francisco and a recent Green Party candidate for New Orleans City Council, lives in the Algiers neighborhood, the only part of New Orleans that is not flooded. They have no power, but the water is still good and the phones work. Their neighborhood could be sheltering and feeding at least 40,000 refugees, he says, but they are allowed to help no one. What he describes is nothing less than deliberate genocide against Black and poor people. - R.S.]
---

New Orleans, Sept. 1, 2005 -- It's criminal. From what you're hearing, the people trapped in New Orleans are nothing but looters. We're told we should be more "neighborly." But nobody talked about being neighborly until after the people who could afford to leave -- left.

If you ain't got no money in America, you're on your own. People were told to go to the Superdome, but they have no food, no water there. And before they could get in, people had to stand in line for 4-5 hours in the rain because everybody was being searched one by one at the entrance.

I can understand the chaos that happened after the tsunami, because they had no warning, but here there was plenty of warning. In the three days before the hurricane hit, we knew it was coming and everyone could have been evacuated.

We have Amtrak here that could have carried everybody out of town. There were enough school buses that could have evacuated 20,000 people easily, but they just let them be flooded. My son watched 40 buses go underwater - they just wouldn't move them, afraid they'd be stolen.

People who could afford to leave were so afraid someone would steal what they own that they just let it all be flooded. They could have let a family without a vehicle borrow their extra car, but instead they left it behind to be destroyed.

There are gangs of white vigilantes near here riding around in pickup trucks, all of them armed, and any young Black they see who they figure doesn't belong in their community, they shoot him. I tell them, "Stop! You're going to start a riot."

When you see all the poor people with no place to go, feeling alone and helpless and angry, I say this is a consequence of HOPE VI. New Orleans took all the HUD money it could get to tear down public housing, and families and neighbors who'd relied on each other for generations were uprooted and torn apart.

Most of the people who are going through this now had already lost touch with the only community they'd ever known. Their community was torn down and they were scattered. They'd already lost their real homes, the only place where they knew everybody, and now the places they've been staying are destroyed.

But nobody cares. They're just lawless looters ... dangerous.

The hurricane hit at the end of the month, the time when poor people are most vulnerable. Food stamps don't buy enough but for about three weeks of the month, and by the end of the month everyone runs out. Now they have no way to get their food stamps or any money, so they just have to take what they can to survive.

Many people are getting sick and very weak. From the toxic water that people are walking through, little scratches and sores are turning into major wounds.

People whose homes and families were not destroyed went into the city right away with boats to bring the survivors out, but law enforcement told them they weren't needed. They are willing and able to rescue thousands, but they're not allowed to.

Every day countless volunteers are trying to help, but they're turned back. Almost all the rescue that's been done has been done by volunteers anyway.

My son and his family - his wife and kids, ages 1, 5 and 8 - were flooded out of their home when the levee broke. They had to swim out until they found an abandoned building with two rooms above water level.

There were 21 people in those two rooms for a day and a half. A guy in a boat who just said "I'm going to help regardless" rescued them and took them to Highway I-10 and dropped them there.

They sat on the freeway for about three hours, because someone said they'd be rescued and taken to the Superdome. Finally they just started walking, had to walk six and a half miles.

When they got to the Superdome, my son wasn't allowed in - I don't know why - so his wife and kids wouldn't go in. They kept walking, and they happened to run across a guy with a tow truck that they knew, and he gave them his own personal truck.

When they got here, they had no gas, so I had to punch a hole in my gas tank to give them some gas, and now I'm trapped. I'm getting around by bicycle.

People from Placquemine Parish were rescued on a ferry and dropped off on a dock near here. All day they were sitting on the dock in the hot sun with no food, no water. Many were in a daze; they've lost everything.

They were all sitting there surrounded by armed guards. We asked the guards could we bring them water and food. My mother and all the other church ladies were cooking for them, and we have plenty of good water.

But the guards said, "No. If you don't have enough water and food for everybody, you can't give anything." Finally the people were hauled off on school buses from other parishes.

You know Robert King Wilkerson (the only one of the Angola 3 political prisoners who's been released). He's been back in New Orleans working hard, organizing, helping people. Now nobody knows where he is. His house was destroyed. Knowing him, I think he's out trying to save lives, but I'm worried.

The people who could help are being shipped out. People who want to stay, who have the skills to save lives and rebuild are being forced to go to Houston.

It's not like New Orleans was caught off guard. This could have been prevented.

There's military right here in New Orleans, but for three days they weren't even mobilized. You'd think this was a Third World country.

I'm in the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans, the only part that isn't flooded. The water is good. Our parks and schools could easily hold 40,000 people, and they're not using any of it.

This is criminal. These people are dying for no other reason than the lack of organization.

Everything is needed, but we're still too disorganized. I'm asking people to go ahead and gather donations and relief supplies but to hold on to them for a few days until we have a way to put them to good use.

I'm challenging my party, the Green Party, to come down here and help us just as soon as things are a little more organized. The Republicans and Democrats didn't do anything to prevent this or plan for it and don't seem to care if everyone dies.
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Andrew young ( Ex Mayer of Atlanta,Former Ambassador to the UNO,a African-American,born and raised in New orleans) said that he did NOT see any racism in the evacuation process.
Vagabond
 
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