Negative Post Don't Help The Game

what had happen in the chatroom got so old we started to remove it the Seminole Tribe is in there and we didn't think it is fair to them to listen to the on going cloth color since they put the tour on.

Thanks do you have any Ideas how we can improve our sport for everyone


All Ideas Welcomed :thumbup:
 
i think what al is getting at is that after 20-30 people commented on red cloth and kept beating it into the ground instead of commenting on the pool being played that it was a lil over kill. i dont think censorship is what you would call deleting every post in the chat bashing red cloth.when some one is there in the chat that has donated their money to an event, do you think they enjoy hearing how unbearable somethin so small is? no they dont. itll make them not want to help anymore. i think al was right in what he did especially after 5-6 times saying please leave comments about red cloth off the chat. they are putting this event on for free so enjoy it! dont bash it. if someone gives your subpar free food do you bash it? no you say thank you and keep eating. just saying... tahnks to truck and all his guys for puttin on such a high quality FREE feed. you guys rock!
 
jfais1717 Thanks for the positive post and that is what we all want for each other it will help the sport and continue to bring in major sponsors.

Thanks Again::D
 
The red cloth looked okay for the stream, not into red chalk and getting the shaft all dyed red but to each there own when it comes to the rooms. I think if you want to add some style to the room then go with the tourney blue which brightens the place up or even the purple is easier on the eyes.
 
I think you are confusing negative posts with bashing, flaming, etc. If you mean bashing/flaming is bad for the sport, you might be right.

Making your opinion known is good for the sport, as long as it is constructive. Changing the cloth to red may have been a mistake. The feedback would be very valuable to the owner of the room. In the end, the owner will need to decide if the cloth color significantly impacted revenue one way or the other.
 
BigTruck Live from Hollywood Cali.

Gabe Defeats Oscar 8--6 Now The Hot seat Match Don't Miss it folks :thumbup:
 
I've played on red,black,dark purple just to mention a few cloths..an yes red isn't my color of choice..but I am not footing the cost..if I thought I had a shoot at winning I would play..but to just show up an play on red cloth..no.but I am self centered..I only want to play on what I like..after all its my money.I also think the same can be said for HB its their business..my suggestion would be..when they go to recover,go with camel.
 
I'm about ready to crash out after the tournament. It was a long three days for me, without my usual afternoon nap. :)

All in all another good tournament in the books with some stellar play by some great players. But not without controversy. Seems every event has it's own special circumstance that makes it unique. This one had the "The Great Red Plague!"

The following is all my opinion: The red cloth! No question it marred the event in two areas. Number one it created a negative vibe in the days immediately prior to the event, and sent the wrong message to the players. It was like a player unfriendly move and I believe it cost us a minimum of 10-15 players, maybe more. We could have easily had a 75-80 player field!

Even with the above being true, the tables were not bad to play on. The cloth was 'Simoniz-like' in texture, just playing slightly slower. Ernesto and Oscar set the tables up (and recovered them) and they played fair and tight. Four inch pockets have a way of separating the players from the pretenders.

As someone else said the real problem turned out to be the red chalk that the HB management wanted everyone to use. This was the real affront to the pool players who were there. It looked like "Bloody Sunday" in the place for three days. Red chalk was everywhere! On our cues, our clothes, our hands and fingers, on all the balls (the worst was the cue ball) and even in our hair. It was like a red virus (plague?) had infected this little section of the pool world. This was the main gripe of the players and many used blue Master chalk anyway, in defiance. I didn't say a word if they did. I just could not bring myself to side with management on this one.

The field wasn't large, but it wasn't small either. And it was stocked with powerful pool players! Whoever said it wasn't must not have been there. We got treated to match after match of world class pool. Rafael remains a singular talent, shooting shots that defy description and that even stun the other top players. As Corey said, "He plays some different shots than the rest of us."

Rodney has GAME! And tons of it. He never gives up and plays the same game whether he's behind or ahead. When he gets rolling, the four inch pockets might as well be eight inch. He shoots the balls in the heart! One stroke and fire, one stroke and fire. He makes difficult run outs look easy. They're not! His game reminds me of the great filipinos, where the cue ball slowly rolls into position. He has the softest touch of anyone in the field.

Corey plays great when he's on his game. But when the switch flips, like in the finals, he can suddenly start to miss. He has ALL the shots and a fine touch as well, but is not immune to pressure. Of course, no one is. Not even great players.

Everyone missed balls on these super tight pockets, but the best players missed the least and got out the best. Ten Ball on tables like this is a real test of pool acumen. So many empty breaks, so many safety battles, so many tortuous run outs. I remain convinced that you do not need to call balls under such conditions. Slop won't save you here. Let's not take the creativity and two way shots out of the game. I saw a lot of sparkling play that would not happen in "call shot" Ten Ball.

Hat's off to the Seminole Tribe for venturing West to expand their tour. They are putting time, money and manpower into professional pool in America. Support these events wherever they happen! They may be the best hope for our future that we have right now.

I'm gonna get some rest.
 
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well said jay! great constructive criticism and very descriptive. i need to learn how to type like that.(how many revisions did you make before you hit post?) lol jk. great tournament and excellent job to big truck upstate al and sharken for all you guys did. hats off to you guys!
 
For sure there were a lot of exiting hill/hill matches on the stream (Thanks Bigtruck & Co.). IMO 4 1/4 to 4 1/2" pockets are better for tournament play, but a lot of others feel different about it. The cloth being a bit slow compared to 860 was a good thing. It's hard enough holding the line on position with 4" pockets w/o glass cloth. Too bad about the Red cloth and Red chalk though. I believe they would have had 128 players or close to it with W/O it. Parica was the only top Aisian, with no one from Taiwan or UK. Jay is right, the Seminole's love pool and have very deep pockets. They could put tournament pool back on the map. I wish they would have more tournaments at their HardRock's. Johnnyt
 
great post!

I'm about ready to crash out after the tournament. It was a long three days for me, without my usual afternoon nap. :)

All in all another good tournament in the books with some stellar play by some great players. But not without controversy. Seems every event has it's own special circumstance that makes it unique. This one had the "The Great Red Plague!"

The following is all my opinion: The red cloth! No question it marred the event in two areas. Number one it created a negative vibe in the days immediately prior to the event, and sent the wrong message to the players. It was like a player unfriendly move and I believe it cost us a minimum of 10-15 players, maybe more. We could have easily had a 75-80 player field!

Even with the above being true, the tables were not bad to play on. The cloth was 'Simoniz-like' in texture, just playing slightly slower. Ernesto and Oscar set the tables up (and recovered them) and they played fair and tight. Four inch pockets have a way of separating the players from the pretenders.

As someone else said the real problem turned out to be the red chalk that the HB management wanted everyone to use. This was the real affront to the pool players who were there. It looked like "Bloody Sunday" in the place for three days. Red chalk was everywhere! On our cues, our clothes, our hands and fingers, on all the balls (the worst was the cue ball) and even in our hair. It was like a red virus (plague?) had infected this little section of the pool world. This was the main gripe of the players and many used blue Master chalk anyway, in defiance. I didn't say a word if they did. I just could not bring myself to side with management on this one.

The field wasn't large, but it wasn't small either. And it was stocked with powerful pool players! Whoever said it wasn't must not have been there. We got treated to match after match of world class pool. Rafael remains a singular talent, shooting shots that defy description and that even stun the other top players. As Corey said, "He plays some different shots than the rest of us."

Rodney has GAME! And tons of it. He never gives up and plays the same game whether he's behind or ahead. When he gets rolling, the four inch pockets might as well be eight inch. He shoots the balls in the heart! One stroke and fire, one stroke and fire. He makes difficult run outs look easy. They're not! His game reminds me of the great filipinos, where the cue ball slowly rolls into position. He has the softest touch of anyone in the field.

Corey plays great when he's on his game. But when the switch flips, like in the finals, he can suddenly start to miss. He has ALL the shots and a fine touch as well, but is not immune to pressure. Of course, no one is. Not even great players.

Everyone missed balls on these super tight pockets, but the best players missed the least and got out the best. Ten Ball on tables like this is a real test of pool acumen. So many empty breaks, so many safety battles, so many tortuous run outs. I remain convinced that you do not need to call balls under such conditions. Slop won't save you here. Let's not take the creativity and two way shots out of the game. I saw a lot of sparkling play that would not happen in "call shot" Ten Ball.

Hat's off to the Seminole Tribe for venturing West to expand their tour. They are putting time, money and manpower into professional pool in America. Support these events wherever they happen! They may be the best hope for our future that we have right now.

I'm gonna get some rest.



Jay,

You did a great job running the show and posted a great write up too. Thank you for both!

On my monitor the color of the cloth was a dusty rose, no big deal. Not what I'd prefer but not the end of the world. The last four inches of most cues had a reddish tint to them by the end of the tournament, except for some players that were conspicuously using masters or blue diamond chalk. Perhaps tan chalk would have made both sides happier, I don't know. I think there were two issues with the red chalk, one was the red, two wasn't it silver cup? Stocking a more compatible color of masters would have been the best option. The only person I noticed who seemed to be constantly wiping streaks off the table was Gabe Owens and he was using the red chalk. Apparently the streaks left by his opponents bugged him a little. Interestingly, Corey Deuel whom I notice seems to often bend rules until he finds the breaking point, was using red chalk.

I think that the pocket size might be a hair too tight at four inches. A little too high of a percentage of dry breaks and a few too many misses. Mostly too many dry breaks so four inches might be perfect for nine ball, maybe four and an eighth or four and a quarter for ten ball. I don't know until I see ten ball played by top players on some well set up tables like this.

The competition on the streaming table was great. I didn't see every match but every match I saw was fun to watch. The battles were tougher than some of the scores indicated. Overall I'd have to say this tournament was a great success from the viewer's perspective. Just get rid of the bloody chalk, no big deal.

Something I meant to post about and almost forgot, Rodney Morris. He obviously earned this win with great play when the chips were down. Nobody was firing at those little pockets with more confidence. However what I wanted to comment on was his appearance and behavior. I always note Rodney looking like and behaving like a professional when I see him on TV, stream, or video. He conducts himself on camera in a manner that is an asset to pool.

Hu
 
Jay,

You did a great job running the show and posted a great write up too. Thank you for both!

On my monitor the color of the cloth was a dusty rose, no big deal. Not what I'd prefer but not the end of the world. The last four inches of most cues had a reddish tint to them by the end of the tournament, except for some players that were conspicuously using masters or blue diamond chalk. Perhaps tan chalk would have made both sides happier, I don't know. I think there were two issues with the red chalk, one was the red, two wasn't it silver cup? Stocking a more compatible color of masters would have been the best option. The only person I noticed who seemed to be constantly wiping streaks off the table was Gabe Owens and he was using the red chalk. Apparently the streaks left by his opponents bugged him a little. Interestingly, Corey Deuel whom I notice seems to often bend rules until he finds the breaking point, was using red chalk.

I think that the pocket size might be a hair too tight at four inches. A little too high of a percentage of dry breaks and a few too many misses. Mostly too many dry breaks so four inches might be perfect for nine ball, maybe four and an eighth or four and a quarter for ten ball. I don't know until I see ten ball played by top players on some well set up tables like this.

The competition on the streaming table was great. I didn't see every match but every match I saw was fun to watch. The battles were tougher than some of the scores indicated. Overall I'd have to say this tournament was a great success from the viewer's perspective. Just get rid of the bloody chalk, no big deal.

Something I meant to post about and almost forgot, Rodney Morris. He obviously earned this win with great play when the chips were down. Nobody was firing at those little pockets with more confidence. However what I wanted to comment on was his appearance and behavior. I always note Rodney looking like and behaving like a professional when I see him on TV, stream, or video. He conducts himself on camera in a manner that is an asset to pool.

Hu

Good post Hu. They had Silver Cup AND Master red chalk. Both were horrible! I'm not a chemist, but red dye appears to be the worst!

Rodney is class personified. But for that matter all the top players conduct themselves like gentlemen for the most part. Everyone can get a little touchy once in a while and I understand that. This IS how they make their living and five grand is still a very good pay check in today's economy. P.S. The Seminoles were paying CASH right away when you got knocked out!

Rodney has a nifty sense of humor and is fun to be around. He is a welcome addition to any tournament he attends. Plus being one of the best players in the world. He said he had been stuck on running second for a while, losing in his last six finals. Well, he finally broke the jinx. Good for him. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy. By the way, they will all be at Capone's in Florida in two weeks for the next Seminole tour event. You should go if you are in the area.
 
Great Job

Hey jay,ray,jfais and shootingstar's That's the kinda feedback we like to hear in the pool world and rest to sure the Seminoles.Great job hats off to everyone for a great job well done. :thumbup:
 
Weekend players who play on red cloth don't read AZB, nor do they care about "the sport".
 
Maybe I'm missing something... but people complaining about the color of felt is hurting our sport?? I don't get it. How exactly is that hurting our sport?

The thinking goes like this.

Raggin about the Cloth demeans the tournament and lessons its value.

The Seminoles are now associated with something that isn't good even though they have done nothing wrong.

Why should they invest more in pool?


Myself, though they may never say so, believe the Seminoles know exactly where the problem lay here.
 
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