Neils Feijin

TheConArtist said:
Niels Feijen is my hero. His nickname The Terminator really does serve him very well. There is a clip on youtube of him and Corey playing on a barbox table and he looks like a machine at the table.
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Find the link and send it! I would like to see that one.
 
sjm said:
These are the odds for the World Open, which was played in Reno in September. No doubt, you were thinking of the World Pool Chamionships in Taiwan, where the Filippinos would have had a home edge.
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I see, thanks.
 
buddha162 said:
Wow he's 29 points ahead of Yang?! I haven't been keeping up so thanks for that info.


-Roger
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Yup, Wu & Yang each won 3 times of the 9 stops of play in 2006. But Wu fared better overall. He seemed to be able to get into at least the quarters in each tourney he entered. It's quite an achievement considering the quality of Taiwanese players.
 
buddha162 said:
Ah you didn't elaborate on this...

If anyone else made this statement I would probably laugh, but because it's you and I have nothing but the utmost respect for your analysis of players in general, I am interested to know your thought process.

But if you don't feel like sharing, that's fine too.

-Roger
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I have reconsidered my view, Roger, and must concur with you that Wu gets the nod over Niels. I think I attached too much importance to his second round exit at IPT Reno. I reviewed his performance and, although he finished fifth in his group of six, he had two double hill losses. Had he won either, he'd have advanced, so his performance was not as awful as I had thought. I'm pleading insanity.

Still, comparing Wu with Souquet is even more ridiculous.

Souquet's 2006 included a win in the Derby City Nine Ball, a win in the BCA Open, two top ten finishes in the two IPT events which had a field of 200, and 2nd at the World 9-ball Championships . To me, Souquet was the best pool player in the world in 2006, and I think he's the best nine ball player in the world today. I'll take it a step further --- he may just be one of the ten best pool players of all time.

You've converted me, now let's see if I've converted you.
 
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Andrew Manning said:
Arguments like this are so difficult to win in pool, because unlike golf or tennis or other established individual sports, all the best players don't play against each other except maybe once or twice a year. If there were four or five "majors" a year that anybody who's anybody in pool played in, we'd be able to really know how Feijen stacks up against the rest of the top 20 or 30 in the world.

As it is, all these arguments are pretty much baseless conjecture. We know he's mind-blowingly good at pool. We know that when he plays others that are mind-blowingly good, he sometimes wins, sometimes loses.

Anyway, that said, I'd back him against Archer or Strickland. I think those two have made everyone's list because of how they used to play, not how they've played for the past year or two.

-Andrew
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Careful, Andrew! That's the kind of thinking that gets backers and railbirds dead broke! If you check the facts carefully, you'll see that Archer was 8th on the 2006 money list, and that the only player who made more tournament money playing 9-ball last year was Ralf Souquet. Over the course of a long session that break is going to make a difference!
 
cdavis9771 said:
Find the link and send it! I would like to see that one.
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Well, the only one i know of other than the 8-ball thing was the 2001 mosconi. which i could not find on youtube. Am i missing something here?

Edit: Spoke too soon. Nice job!
 
Well, according to Niel's webpage, he just lost a game in Norway to Roberto Gomez of the Philippines. Remember him, one of the lesser known players from the Philippines who had the best (undefeated) record in the eliminations in the last WPC in Manila? He was ranked no. 1 after the group round robin stage but had the misfortune of playing the 64th ranked player (Ronnie Alcano) in the knock-out stages.

I like Niels though. I think he is easily one of the top 5 players in Europe but would not put him in the top 10 players of the world.
 
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did u notice???

bud green said:
I think Corey could make a living playing Feijen... Neils would win his share of sets and all, but overall Corey would beat him at just about every game in the long run. Corey hasn't really done much in the last few years but when he's in top form, I like his chances against anybody in the top ten in the world at nine ball. He has as much talent as any US player and only some of the savage Filipinos seem to be above his level.

Most Euro's are 14.1 monsters but didn't Corey get 14.1 lessons from some legend like Caras when he was learning to play? Maybe they can play some straight pool.

The next time they both play in the same tourney, give billychips a pm and see if he won't put up some dough. I have a feeling he won't turn out to just be another internet sh*t talker.
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Did you notice how quiet it got in here when people were actually called out to put their money where their mouths are??? Corey and his pussy break must be able to beat Neils! Oh well, I guess at least we had an interesting conversation for a few days.
 
Awesome thread.

Before matching Niels up head to head against any player you have to consider the game. If they play rotation there probably isn't a non-Filipino player in the world that can beat him playing even, playing straight pool there is only a few players that could beat him on a regular basis, Hohmann Schmidt and Robles come to mind.


When it comes to nine ball Niels is definitely a world class player, definitely a top 20 player and definitely NOT a top ten player. He is definitely moving up and about ten years from now when he is in his "prime" I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a world championship or a US Open win under his belt.
 
sjm said:
I have reconsidered my view, Roger, and must concur with you that Wu gets the nod over Niels. I think I attached too much importance to his second round exit at IPT Reno. I reviewed his performance and, although he finished fifth in his group of six, he had two double hill losses. Had he won either, he'd have advanced, so his performance was not as awful as I had thought. I'm pleading insanity.

Still, comparing Wu with Souquet is even more ridiculous.

Souquet's 2006 included a win in the Derby City Nine Ball, a win in the BCA Open, two top ten finishes in the two IPT events which had a field of 200, and 2nd at the World 9-ball Championships . To me, Souquet was the best pool player in the world in 2006, and I think he's the best nine ball player in the world today. I'll take it a step further --- he may just be one of the ten best pool players of all time.

You've converted me, now let's see if I've converted you.
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I am a HUGE fan of Ralph's game, and I think he is one of the most underrated players in the world. Best player in the world...I don't even touch that question. To me, top 5 players is the highest accolade I would give generally because I find it impossible to isolate the attributes that make one player king of the hill, and Ralph certainly is among the best 5 currently, but imo so is Wu.

Funny thing with lists is that you're asked to name the top 5 players and before you know it there's 15 guys on the list, lol. I will say that in regards to Neils (who's game and work ethic I also admire), there are at least 10 Taiwanese guys asides from Yang/Chao/Wu who would have an edge against him and easily 20 that I consider dead even. The level of competition over there is simply incomprehensible to those unfamiliar with the pool scene in Asia.

Bottom line is this: every year at the WPC, there are a handful of Americans and Europeans (read: less than 10) that are a threat to win, meanwhile there are 30 guys each from Taiwan and Philipines that should be considered viable candidates. I lived in Taiwan for 15 years and never once heard of Kuo or Chang Pei Wei, yet they were 2 runner ups in two consecutive WPCs.

-Roger
 
Cornerman said:
I finally figured out how to pronounce his name.

Fred
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Well that's just dandy, Fred. Are you going to just eat the whole cake yourself in private or are you going share a slice with us?
JoeyA
 
buddha162 said:
I am a HUGE fan of Ralph's game, and I think he is one of the most underrated players in the world. Best player in the world...I don't even touch that question. To me, top 5 players is the highest accolade I would give generally because I find it impossible to isolate the attributes that make one player king of the hill, and Ralph certainly is among the best 5 currently, but imo so is Wu.

Funny thing with lists is that you're asked to name the top 5 players and before you know it there's 15 guys on the list, lol. I will say that in regards to Neils (who's game and work ethic I also admire), there are at least 10 Taiwanese guys asides from Yang/Chao/Wu who would have an edge against him and easily 20 that I consider dead even. The level of competition over there is simply incomprehensible to those unfamiliar with the pool scene in Asia.

Bottom line is this: every year at the WPC, there are a handful of Americans and Europeans (read: less than 10) that are a threat to win, meanwhile there are 30 guys each from Taiwan and Philipines that should be considered viable candidates. I lived in Taiwan for 15 years and never once heard of Kuo or Chang Pei Wei, yet they were 2 runner ups in two consecutive WPCs.

-Roger
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I agree Feijin is not as good as Chao/Yang/Wu, but he should rank top10 among the Taiwanese players. (top20 or even worse among the Pinoys)
It's hard to tell if Souquet is THE BEST in the world. But in 2006 alone, he probably was. He had an outstanding year indeed.

To me, Souquet is almost perfect. His all-round, textbook plays are awesome. But I like Wu's play even better. He likes to take chances and his adventurous shots and accuracy are sometimes eye-opening. Wu still has to work on his defensive play and cue ball control, but this boy has got loads of potential to be the next superstar.
 
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Niels Feijen just won the 8-ball Battle of Scandinavia and 8 000 $.

The field?

Roberto Gomez, Jharome Pena, Thomas Engert, Ralf Souquet, Thorsten Hohmann, Nick van den Berg, Darren Appleton, Mick Hill, Karl Boyes, Marcus Chamat, Tom Storm, Ivica Putnik, Vincent Facquet +++...

He is a machine!

Btw: In the final he beat Artem Koshovyy from Ukraine, a 17-year old kid who used the week to beat players as Nick van den Berg, Marcus Chamat (twice) and Ralf Souquet in the semifinal!
 
He won two tournaments in one week. When was the last time Corey won just one big tournament?

btw. Will consult Niels on a match, told you he was not in the country and that I would not speak for him....
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Niels Feijen just won the 8-ball Battle of Scandinavia and 8 000 $.

The field?

Roberto Gomez, Jharome Pena, Thomas Engert, Ralf Souquet, Thorsten Hohmann, Nick van den Berg, Darren Appleton, Mick Hill, Karl Boyes, Marcus Chamat, Tom Storm, Ivica Putnik, Vincent Facquet +++...

He is a machine!
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Did you see it all Roy?
 
just leave it alone

berry said:
He won two tournaments in one week. When was the last time Corey won just one big tournament?

btw. Will consult Niels on a match, told you he was not in the country and that I would not speak for him....
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Why do you keep popping your mouth off about this? Corey's record speaks for itself. If you think Niels can beat him. then put something up, or shutup. I am so tired of epople like you coming on here making rude comments about other players, saying my daddy can beat up your daddy, and then just disappearing. The fact is Corey would rob your boy and you know it. Niels knows it. So call someone else out that plays a little weaker and talk to someone that like yourself won't gamble. That should make for an interesting thread. Unless you wanna pay for the mimimum of ten dimes that you spouted off about, shut up! You cant win!
 
Oh no, I feel attact.....:rolleyes:

You don't seem to understand much about this world.. You speak for Corey and I don't like to speak for Niels. Maybe the are friends and don't want to play each other? Or maybe one of the two players don't feel like traveling to the other side of the world for a matchup doesn't seem to bother you. You talk big but know little!

Lets say we make a bet, why would Corey take the plane to the Netherlands to play Niels, what's in it for him?

And so far I have no prove you even know Corey....

PLease don't forget you started this against a poster named RobertDuke not me.

Regards,

Berry

Ps did you forget when Corey had his latest big tournament victory or did you just not want to anwser me?
 
Why don't you remind me

berry said:
Oh no, I feel attact.....:rolleyes:




Would you care to remind me? I do know Corey and he is willing to play Niels. They are friends, big deal. How bout this, the next time they are both at a big tourney, you bring your moeny and Ill bring mine. Then we will see who knows who and which one plays better. Since obviously none of this is going to happen, go about your business pretending to know people and that you yourself have gamble.
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