- value does have a nationality, the money one spends locally has a greater chance in benefiting the LOCAL economy. That's why cities encourage events which attract tourists to spend money in their cities to enhance the LOCAL economy.
Huh? You are confusing promotion with value. Yes of course when there is an INFLUX of money anywhere it benefits the locals. And what happens when that happens?
Competition happens and prices go down. Maybe if you care so much about your neighbors to the south (but apparently not the ones south of the southern American border) you should encourage them to NOT go to Canada on vacation but instead to stay in the USA and spend their money there.
But again promotion is not "value". Just because someone spends money on something doesn't mean that they are getting value for their money.
- we all have responsibilities as consumers, from a economical and environmental standpoint which have very much come to light in the last 10 or so years that as consumers we should take a hard look at our lifestyles for the sake of our country and environment. It can't just be about value for the dollar anymore.
So you fact check everything you buy? You know that the brands you purchase are made by ethical companies/people who spend your money on American goods? They hire legal labor? They recycle...... or is all you know that there is a "made in america" tag on it?
- i don't own a Castillo case, so i couldn't comment on them, just a Murnak. Otherwise they're probably very nice cases.
So if you did and you thought it was nice then you would recommend it since Mexico is part of North America?
- "free market" is a sham, there's nothing free about it.
Not when people like you try to pressure others into paying more for less.
- FAIR competition is good, there is nothing fair about the Chinese government in how they are doing business. When local manufacturers cannot compete with foreign enterprise because their goods aren't bieng taxed enough, the renminbi is artificially devaluated, goods are being manufactured by low cost labour, and companies are producing goods at the cost of the environment, that is not fair.
Oh please. I guess you have never heard of government subsidies in the USA, never heard of grants, government backed loans, no-bid contracts, pork barrel spending, tax breaks, government funded training for private sector employees, good old boy networks......
"fair" - what a load of crap. There is no such thing as fair competition in business. Someone always has some advantage that allows them to compete more effectively. As long as there is government then there is unfairness in business. As long as there are people there is unfairness in business.
John, as i mentioned before, my post in the thread where someone was looking for a case to buy was for their benefit. it was not an attack on you or your product. from your above tyrade i can only assume that you've felt you've had to defend yourself and company from previous scrutiny, and perhaps understandably so.
No I think that you had no good reason to toss in the buy usa nonsense.
I still fail to understand your rationale in regard to you feeling it necessary to attack me in this manner (you indirectly used the words bigoted and ignorant). You and your company make great cases, that is well known. There will always be people who are looking for a great deal, heck i'm one of them. Your company, product, and yourself are judged on its own merits, you shouldn't have to defend anything. Perhaps it's your own conscience or guilt that makes you so defensive.
See above. The reason I said bigoted is because you titled your post USA USA. The reason I said ignorant is because you are ignorant of the underlying economics. But you aren't interested in a direct comparison of quality/price without using the "buy American" emotional appeal to attempt to guilt trip the reader into making their choice based on a misguided appeal to economic patriotism. I have nothing to be guilty of but you do.
You can't make a valid argument why a consumer should buy a Murnak over my case WITHOUT playing the "made in America" card.
You however, have NO right to censor my opinion through this needless, self manufactured debate. I never expressed any distain for the way you do business. It's not like i said "jeeze why doesn't John Barton with all his talent set up shop in the U.S. and not China? we have leather, we have artisans....etc...etc...you can probably charge as much as justis to make up for the overhead...etc...etc..."
I am not censoring your opinion. I have no power to erase (censor) your posts. I am openly disagreeing with your advocacy and exposing your ignorance on this subject. I don't care if you question my business model or not. The point is that if a person asks what's the best value then you should try to explain why you think product x is the best value without playing the patriotism card.
AS A CHINESE BORN CANADIAN CITIZEN, WHO IS PROUD OF HIS CHINESE-CANADIAN HERITAGE, AND CARES ABOUT HIS AMERICAN NEIGHBOURS TO THE SOUTH. DARN TOOTIN' I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS OVER WHAT CONCERNS NORTH AMERICA AND OUR ECONOMY AND ENVIRONMENT.
Gee, now you're yelling and you call me defensive? Seems to me that only one of us is not clear about their "heritage".
So your concern extends to Mexico, it's part of North America as well. You can express your thoughts all you want to, no one is censoring you. As a human being I can express my opinion of your opinion. I just wish that your concerns were a result of actually educating yourself a little more and not just trying to push emotional buttons.
IF COWS WERE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES, I WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT BUYING A SYNTHETIC CASE INSTEAD AS AN OPTION. I'M SURE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN OK WITH THAT, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DEBATE THE ISSUE WITH JACK JUSTICE, JIM MURNAK, OR DAN WHITTEN LIKE I AM WITH YOU.
So your opinion is that the way to fix the American economy is to "buy American"? Or is the North American economy you are concerned about? So buying Mexican is ok?
Debate what issue? Endangered cows or buy American? Why is it so hard for people to spell Jack's name right, it's Justis. Well, let's see Jack made cases in China and uses Chinese interiors so he is out. Whitten spent time in China exploring making cases here so I don't know what either of them would say to you.
JOHN, YOU CAN LEAVE THE CENSORSHIP IN CHINA!
Who has censored you? Censoring is erasing or blocking speech. Has anyone done that to you? You freely inserted your "USA USA" chant and no one censored it. Are you feeling bad because I am giving you my opinion? Not only did I not censor you I gave you some links you could use to educate yourself as to WHY I hold the opinions I do. Did you follow them and read the articles? ( I bet not) When someone else posts articles that support their point I go and read them and consider the points. Do you?
Maybe you should stick to objective things you know about. You have a Murnak, you feel it's a good case for the price then say that and leave the flag waving out of it.
Speaking of censorship was it not you who asked Wilson to delete this thread? Would that not be censoring all the people's voices who have been involved in this fiasco? Would that not be censoring the forum from a vivid warning to be careful with new makers offering stuff at too-good-to-be-true low prices?
I think you should put down the flag and study the issues a little deeper from both sides.
