NEW! chazdillon case thread

[DukeOfAim]

Isn't this the same case...

Uwate, isn't this the same case as what is in your pictures?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=164836

How was that possibly delayed to you? Chaz was selling it on here in November!? Let's try not to get peoples hopes up.

The truth is, I'm tired of hearing about this. The fact is, it doesn't take that long to make a case. In August Chaz said that everyones case was ready to go, but he was waiting on the interiors. Jack Justis offered him interiors, but they wouldn't work because the cases were already made to size for Barton's interiors.

Now, you've all seen the video of Barton pulling the Justis interior out right? They go in the same way. So if he was just waiting on the interior, he may have had to make a lid and bottom for each case, depending on how he puts things together.

EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR CASE AT THE VERY LATEST IN OCTOBER!!! Either that or he should have told all of you that his measurement were off, and the interiors didn't fit. I pretty much doubt that was the case though.

If this guys last name was Varney there would be an entire mob of you with the rope already slung over the branch of a tree. This hole thing is ridiculous. Chaz has been on here more than once trying to sell other cases, the case in Uwate's post is just one example. We can't forget about the real zebra inlay case, or the elephant case. Oh, not to mention that I've seen pictures of two cases that he's made for himself. He also stated that we don't see all of his work...so it's pretty obvious to me that he's making cases for the locals. So that begs the question...why isn't he done with the cases that were ordered here almost a year ago? Because he doesn't have to get them done. You guys don't live close enough to bother with.

He says that he is trying to make it full time on cases now, yet there are people from a year ago that he hasn't finished their case? Oh, he's not making money on you...you've already paid...and you paid too little to begin with, so even if you still owe him a $100, there isn't much incentive.

Face it, you may get your case at some point, but Chaz doesn't feel that your case is worth finishing. If he did, they would be done and everyone would be happy.

I do have to hand it to the guy though, he's strung you all along for a lot longer than I thought possible.

 

[hangemhigh]

Uwate, isn't this the same case as what is in your pictures?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=164836

How was that possibly delayed to you? Chaz was selling it on here in November!? Let's try not to get peoples hopes up.

The truth is, I'm tired of hearing about this. The fact is, it doesn't take that long to make a case. In August Chaz said that everyones case was ready to go, but he was waiting on the interiors. Jack Justis offered him interiors, but they wouldn't work because the cases were already made to size for Barton's interiors.

Now, you've all seen the video of Barton pulling the Justis interior out right? They go in the same way. So if he was just waiting on the interior, he may have had to make a lid and bottom for each case, depending on how he puts things together.

EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR CASE AT THE VERY LATEST IN OCTOBER!!! Either that or he should have told all of you that his measurement were off, and the interiors didn't fit. I pretty much doubt that was the case though.

If this guys last name was Varney there would be an entire mob of you with the rope already slung over the branch of a tree. This hole thing is ridiculous. Chaz has been on here more than once trying to sell other cases, the case in Uwate's post is just one example. We can't forget about the real zebra inlay case, or the elephant case. Oh, not to mention that I've seen pictures of two cases that he's made for himself. He also stated that we don't see all of his work...so it's pretty obvious to me that he's making cases for the locals. So that begs the question...why isn't he done with the cases that were ordered here almost a year ago? Because he doesn't have to get them done. You guys don't live close enough to bother with.

He says that he is trying to make it full time on cases now, yet there are people from a year ago that he hasn't finished their case? Oh, he's not making money on you...you've already paid...and you paid too little to begin with, so even if you still owe him a $100, there isn't much incentive.

Face it, you may get your case at some point, but Chaz doesn't feel that your case is worth finishing. If he did, they would be done and everyone would be happy.

I do have to hand it to the guy though, he's strung you all along for a lot longer than I thought possible.

LOL, don't forget he raffled off air a year ago.

 

[johnnyg0168]

WOW,
bad bad business. no matter what was paid for the cases, it was the price that CHAS offered to build the cases for in the original post a year ago. the TWO cases that I have seen completed are very good looking. But a year is way to long to wait for something you have already paid for. Barton will get you a case in around 6 weeks. That is right from John. If chaz cant produce the cases, give the money back and find a new business to start, because he isn't doing very good at all here.

 

[shinobi]

I think hes creating his own problems with lack of honest communication. You cant take customers money and then act like they are a hassle when they want what was promised when it was promised. People understand that things come up. That you have to take some time for yourself and familiy. Chaz has the potential to be a world class case maker, but a bigger part of that is business manner and ethics. If people cant trust you with their hard earned dollars, you wont have a business.

Excellent post. Lack of trust, indeed.

When does a continuous lack of response and/or multiple broken promises become the same as theft? At some point it becomes more productive to get assistance from police, postal inspectors, paypal or credit card company representatives, lawyers, etc. dependent on the situation.

For those getting the runaround, I sincerely hope you get your cases or a refund immediately. And a sincere apology. But the kind of person who has the mindset to treat people this way in the first place can't deliver a sincere apology anyway, let alone compensation.

 

[boradriver]

Well I talked to Charles and asked about my case his reply was- "I talked to Chaz about cases not yours specifically but he has four cases ready and going out in the next few days". So I will wait a few more days because at this point what is a few more days when months have gone by.

I met Chaz this past year at the DM vs SVB match and even introduced him to Dan Whitten whom I was playing some 1p with. He seemed like a good guy and just seemed to be in over his head. So I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt and wait but this is getting real old.

 

[JB Cases]

WOW,
bad bad business. no matter what was paid for the cases, it was the price that CHAS offered to build the cases for in the original post a year ago. the TWO cases that I have seen completed are very good looking. But a year is way to long to wait for something you have already paid for. Barton will get you a case in around 6 weeks. That is right from John. If chaz cant produce the cases, give the money back and find a new business to start, because he isn't doing very good at all here.

Most of the time it's 6-8 weeks. Some folks have been waiting far longer.

Chaz is in over his head here. You don't go from making no cases to making true custom cases in a short period of time. Not if they are going to be any good at all.

Without some practicing and learning and trial and error there is no way that a person learns all there is to know about making leather cue cases. And that practicing and learning takes months and years not days and weeks.

Jack Justis said once that he did 160 case one year. That's a little more than three cases a week. You know how he does it? He works everyday and has his methods down cold. He limits the amount of customization he offers and sticks to what he is comfortable doing well.

A person does get overwhelmed quickly when they are juggling a lot of custom orders that range from fairly easy to far out.

I am not excusing Chaz here but only letting all of you know that he went straight up to the high dive and jumped in the deep end before he knew how to swim. He has a lot of great ideas and creativity.

I believe that he will make a good case maker someday if he sticks with it. It's been a rough start but I believe that he will come through and deliver cases to all who placed orders with him and still want their cases.

One thing is for sure a Chaz Dillon case is now rarer than any other

John (gotta work on my own delivery times)

 

[scsuxci]

Brutal!

My buddy has waited for his case for ever and we live in Canada.If it takes this long to get cases out in his own country,my buddy should be getting his in about 30 years.One positive thing about that is,hopefully he'll get a seniors discount!

 

[rbpwrd240]

I want to believe I will believe I could support this cause..... If I could get a call back...
Come on Chaz even if your work is slow your customer service needs to be top notch. If you cant get pics, tell people no.... Tell me you want me to wait forever for the mona lisa so I can sit back in comfort. I would rather that then hearing every week I would get it in a week. Grrrrrrr..... Sorry guys Im just venting. I dont know what the problem is Latly Chaz has been bad about calling me back and Hasnt sent the pics he promised last week...... I am very hopefull and I realy hope Chaz can pull through for not all of us but for his company.....


:deadhorse::bash:oke::slap::speechless::scratchhead:

 

[hivoltg]

I was told that my case would ship out by Wednesday......same old song and dance. I'm through with this crap. If I don't have a tracking number by Wednesday night, I'm asking for a refund! This is ridiculous!

 

[JB Cases]

Uwate, isn't this the same case as what is in your pictures?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=164836

How was that possibly delayed to you? Chaz was selling it on here in November!? Let's try not to get peoples hopes up.

The truth is, I'm tired of hearing about this. The fact is, it doesn't take that long to make a case. In August Chaz said that everyones case was ready to go, but he was waiting on the interiors. Jack Justis offered him interiors, but they wouldn't work because the cases were already made to size for Barton's interiors.

Now, you've all seen the video of Barton pulling the Justis interior out right? They go in the same way. So if he was just waiting on the interior, he may have had to make a lid and bottom for each case, depending on how he puts things together.

EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE HAD THEIR CASE AT THE VERY LATEST IN OCTOBER!!! Either that or he should have told all of you that his measurement were off, and the interiors didn't fit. I pretty much doubt that was the case though.

If this guys last name was Varney there would be an entire mob of you with the rope already slung over the branch of a tree. This hole thing is ridiculous. Chaz has been on here more than once trying to sell other cases, the case in Uwate's post is just one example. We can't forget about the real zebra inlay case, or the elephant case. Oh, not to mention that I've seen pictures of two cases that he's made for himself. He also stated that we don't see all of his work...so it's pretty obvious to me that he's making cases for the locals. So that begs the question...why isn't he done with the cases that were ordered here almost a year ago? Because he doesn't have to get them done. You guys don't live close enough to bother with.

He says that he is trying to make it full time on cases now, yet there are people from a year ago that he hasn't finished their case? Oh, he's not making money on you...you've already paid...and you paid too little to begin with, so even if you still owe him a $100, there isn't much incentive.

Face it, you may get your case at some point, but Chaz doesn't feel that your case is worth finishing. If he did, they would be done and everyone would be happy.

I do have to hand it to the guy though, he's strung you all along for a lot longer than I thought possible.

I am with you on just about everything you are saying.

BUT - there is always one of them with me isn't there?

BUT, Chaz is trying to come up with a lot of out of the box stuff and that takes time to think up and get right.

My thought on this is that he got way in over his head when taking orders, getting FAR OUT there on the "custom" part without realizing the time commitment that this approach to case making requires.

I can see from the pix that he is really trying hard to do things that haven't been done before or take things that have to another level.

It's hard to do this when you have a team of people to help you as I do. I wouldn't even attempt most of it if I were making cases all by myself.

I am sure that you can see from the limited pictures that Chas has shown us that his product is far more labor intensive than yours is at the moment.

And I am equally sure that you agree that what he likely charged for those initial orders was far too low for the time needed to make the case. Even if he had made Flowers-like cases with simple construction then $275 would not have been enough to really cover the time, in my opinion.

I don't advocate cutting him some slack and it's super unfortunate that this has gone on so long.

I also am waiting on two cases from Chaz.

I just wanted to clear up your comment about how long it takes to build a case because building one like you make them and building them like Chaz makes them, based on what I see so far is not going to be that close in the amount of time needed. This is of of course just my opinion based on my experience in the subject.

Otherwise, Chaz, get with the program buddy. It's tough but you have got to produce more for the people who brought you to the dance. AZ showed some major faith in you, get that work done and show them it's worth the frustration they are going through.

 

[12squared]

I don't like getting in the middle of things like this, but I have dealt with Chaz in the past and found him to be very attentive and true to his word. I believe what John said about him being over his head may be the case. Again, I have had nothing but a pleasant experience working with Chaz. (but I did not order something that was not made yet )

I wish you all well and hope this gets resolved.

Dave

 

[hangemhigh]

"BUT, Chaz is trying to come up with a lot of out of the box stuff and that takes time to think up and get right.

My thought on this is that he got way in over his head when taking orders, getting FAR OUT there on the "custom" part without realizing the time commitment that this approach to case making requires."

Come on John, the Con hasn't done one innovative, out of the box, far out thing with a case. He has been all of the above adjectives when it comes to lying to these people.

Your statement here is utterly preposterous:

"I can see from the pix that he is really trying hard to do things that haven't been done before or take things that have to another level."

 

[hivoltg]

The only thing that I know is that I had a conversation with Chaz 4 weeks ago this Friday and he told me that my case was finished, he was taking pictures of it for his website , and it would ship out Monday 2/8 or Tuesday 2/9.

Then I get a call from Charles on Wednesday 2/10 saying that it'll ship out by Friday 2/12. Then I talk to Charles again on Friday 2/12 and he says it'll ship out Monday 2/15. Then, oops we forgot that 2/15 is President's day, it'll ship no later that Friday 2/19. Then after calling several times over the weekend I got a call Sunday 2/21 saying it will ship by Wednesday 2/24.

Why not just tell me when the damn case will ship and make sure it ships by then?!?!? If the case is done, drop it off at the post office and get it sent. I haven't seen any pics of my case and there is no way it's been completed for 4 weeks and he hasn't sent it. That means he is lying! I want to tell them to just send my money back to me, but I've been waited this long so it's hard to do.

Just tell me what your going to do and THEN DO IT! That's all I've asked from the beginning. If he would have told me that it'd be March before I got my case, I would have still ordered the case but I wouldn't be upset right now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Thanks for letting me vent guys

 

[DrOnePocket]

The only thing that I know is that I had a conversation with Chaz 4 weeks ago this Friday and he told me that my case was finished, he was taking pictures of it for his website , and it would ship out Monday 2/8 or Tuesday 2/9.

Then I get a call from Charles on Wednesday 2/10 saying that it'll ship out by Friday 2/12. Then I talk to Charles again on Friday 2/12 and he says it'll ship out Monday 2/15. Then, oops we forgot that 2/15 is President's day, it'll ship no later that Friday 2/19. Then after calling several times over the weekend I got a call Sunday 2/21 saying it will ship by Wednesday 2/24.

Why not just tell me when the damn case will ship and make sure it ships by then?!?!? If the case is done, drop it off at the post office and get it sent. I haven't seen any pics of my case and there is no way it's been completed for 4 weeks and he hasn't sent it. That means he is lying! I want to tell them to just send my money back to me, but I've been waited this long so it's hard to do.

Just tell me what your going to do and THEN DO IT! That's all I've asked from the beginning. If he would have told me that it'd be March before I got my case, I would have still ordered the case but I wouldn't be upset right now. Why is that so hard to understand?

Thanks for letting me vent guys

Makes sense to me!

 

[DukeOfAim]

I am with you on just about everything you are saying.

BUT - there is always one of them with me isn't there?

BUT, Chaz is trying to come up with a lot of out of the box stuff and that takes time to think up and get right.

My thought on this is that he got way in over his head when taking orders, getting FAR OUT there on the "custom" part without realizing the time commitment that this approach to case making requires.

I can see from the pix that he is really trying hard to do things that haven't been done before or take things that have to another level.

It's hard to do this when you have a team of people to help you as I do. I wouldn't even attempt most of it if I were making cases all by myself.

I am sure that you can see from the limited pictures that Chas has shown us that his product is far more labor intensive than yours is at the moment.

And I am equally sure that you agree that what he likely charged for those initial orders was far too low for the time needed to make the case. Even if he had made Flowers-like cases with simple construction then $275 would not have been enough to really cover the time, in my opinion.

I don't advocate cutting him some slack and it's super unfortunate that this has gone on so long.

I also am waiting on two cases from Chaz.

I just wanted to clear up your comment about how long it takes to build a case because building one like you make them and building them like Chaz makes them, based on what I see so far is not going to be that close in the amount of time needed. This is of of course just my opinion based on my experience in the subject.

John,

I have absolutely no problem with the quality of cases that Chaz has put out. I see the lacing that he's done, and I don't envy him in the least in that respect. However, as near as I can tell there are less than 20 people...probably more around 10 that have been waiting for a case for 36 to 50+ weeks. Thankfully, I'm not one of them, because I have gotten mad enough just reading about the stories. If you think that there is any possibility that his cases are high enough quality to demand 50+ weeks of construction, then maybe he should tell people that.

And just to give you an idea of how far out of the box he is...we made a case for someone that had a spring loaded tube to hold 5 sodas. At the time I was working 30+ hours per week, and Jay was working 40 hours per week...at our real jobs. Actual construction time was 3 weeks after the plans were drawn out and the special extra parts were found and purchased. I'm not sure what the total time was, but I know it was around two months to delivery. And we were working on other cases while in the process, but yes at that time there were two of us. Unfortunately I had forgotten the advice that you had given about always taking pictures before delivery...otherwise you would have seen this case also.

I understand that things take time, and I understand that Chaz got a little ahead of himself...especially since he was telling some people something like 2 weeks to delivery. However, there is only so far that these things can go before they are WAY out of line. In my opinion that was a VERY long time ago.

I had stayed out of Chaz's threads until the other day when I saw that Hair on Case and the story that went along with it. The story was very misleading and made it appear as though Uwate had been waiting with everyone else and his case had been delayed as well. All the while, the case was here completed and for sale in November.

If Chaz ever stops screwing around and gets some cases done then he will surely command a decent price for his cases. Especially since he wants to do all exotics. However, he's going to have a hard time selling them here. I'm sure that there have been a lot of people following this soap opera that have never said a word in public. Much like myself, it's none of their business. And with that, I bid you farewell. As I have already posted once prior in this thread, and this is the second. Neither of them should have been needed, but I didn't want people getting the idea that Chaz may have made something new, and I certainly don't want them getting the idea that what he is and has been doing is okay.

Take Care.

 

[JB Cases]

"BUT, Chaz is trying to come up with a lot of out of the box stuff and that takes time to think up and get right.

My thought on this is that he got way in over his head when taking orders, getting FAR OUT there on the "custom" part without realizing the time commitment that this approach to case making requires."

Come on John, the Con hasn't done one innovative, out of the box, far out thing with a case. He has been all of the above adjectives when it comes to lying to these people.

Your statement here is utterly preposterous:

"I can see from the pix that he is really trying hard to do things that haven't been done before or take things that have to another level."

Well all I can really say to this is that you and I see things differently. I happen to think that there are things that Chaz is doing and trying that are time consuming and different.

I don't really want to run them down for you because my intention is not to be an advertising section for Chaz.

I was just giving the other side of the coin. I am NOT in ANY WAY condoning the way he has handled his business on this forum.

I not condoning how he deals with people he took money from, not condoning any part of the transactions.

I was merely pointing out that the way he is making cases IS more time consuming than other types of cases. Surely you can see that for yourself. Having said that though I agree with Ole in that Chas should have been able to finish up more cases for AZ members with outstanding orders.

Now you are extremely harsh on Chaz and I don't really know why since this isn't your fight. I mean you call the guy all sorts of names and I wonder if you ever picked up the phone to talk to him?

Maybe he could use a little help from people in the business rather than condemnation. Maybe a little encouragement.

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the kid got in over his head. Who hasn't done that at some point in their lives?

You keep tossing out words like con and implying he's a thief and others say "customer service" this and that. You all forget that this is one young guy with less than a year's worth of experience who took a bunch of orders. And apparently he is living on the edge financially as well.

But everyone was HAPPY to pile on and place orders when he was offering totally custom cases for $275. Well when things seem too good to be true then they probably are.

But now, instead of trying to help out a fellow AZ'er you want to treat him as if he's an intentional crook. I don't see it that way. I see a young man with a lot of ambition and creativity who knows next to nothing about business and who put the cart before the horse.

So you take the easy way which is to bash him publicly rather than to simply try to see what you can do to help get over the hump.

Maybe a phone call from you with a little encouragement might do more to get the situation resolved than your constant public floggings.

In my opinion.

 

[hivoltg]

Well all I can really say to this is that you and I see things differently. I happen to think that there are things that Chaz is doing and trying that are time consuming and different.

I don't really want to run them down for you because my intention is not to be an advertising section for Chaz.

I was just giving the other side of the coin. I am NOT in ANY WAY condoning the way he has handled his business on this forum.

I not condoning how he deals with people he took money from, not condoning any part of the transactions.

I was merely pointing out that the way he is making cases IS more time consuming than other types of cases. Surely you can see that for yourself. Having said that though I agree with Ole in that Chas should have been able to finish up more cases for AZ members with outstanding orders.

Now you are extremely harsh on Chaz and I don't really know why since this isn't your fight. I mean you call the guy all sorts of names and I wonder if you ever picked up the phone to talk to him?

Maybe he could use a little help from people in the business rather than condemnation. Maybe a little encouragement.

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the kid got in over his head. Who hasn't done that at some point in their lives?

You keep tossing out words like con and implying he's a thief and others say "customer service" this and that. You all forget that this is one young guy with less than a year's worth of experience who took a bunch of orders And apparently he is living on the edge financially as well.

But everyone was HAPPY to pile on and place orders when he was offering totally custom cases for $275. Well when things seem too good to be true then they probably are.

But now, instead of trying to help out a fellow AZ'er you want to treat him as if he's an intentional crook. I don't see it that way. I see a young man with a lot of ambition and creativity who knows next to nothing about business and who put the cart before the horse.

So you take the easy way which is to bash him publicly rather than to simply try to see what you can do to help get over the hump.

Maybe a phone call from you with a little encouragement might do more to get the situation resolved than your constant public floggings.

In my opinion.

there you go JB

 

[JB Cases]

John,

I have absolutely no problem with the quality of cases that Chaz has put out. I see the lacing that he's done, and I don't envy him in the least in that respect. However, as near as I can tell there are less than 20 people...probably more around 10 that have been waiting for a case for 36 to 50+ weeks. Thankfully, I'm not one of them, because I have gotten mad enough just reading about the stories. If you think that there is any possibility that his cases are high enough quality to demand 50+ weeks of construction, then maybe he should tell people that.

And just to give you an idea of how far out of the box he is...we made a case for someone that had a spring loaded tube to hold 5 sodas. At the time I was working 30+ hours per week, and Jay was working 40 hours per week...at our real jobs. Actual construction time was 3 weeks after the plans were drawn out and the special extra parts were found and purchased. I'm not sure what the total time was, but I know it was around two months to delivery. And we were working on other cases while in the process, but yes at that time there were two of us. Unfortunately I had forgotten the advice that you had given about always taking pictures before delivery...otherwise you would have seen this case also.

I understand that things take time, and I understand that Chaz got a little ahead of himself...especially since he was telling some people something like 2 weeks to delivery. However, there is only so far that these things can go before they are WAY out of line. In my opinion that was a VERY long time ago.

I had stayed out of Chaz's threads until the other day when I saw that Hair on Case and the story that went along with it. The story was very misleading and made it appear as though Uwate had been waiting with everyone else and his case had been delayed as well. All the while, the case was here completed and for sale in November.

If Chaz ever stops screwing around and gets some cases done then he will surely command a decent price for his cases. Especially since he wants to do all exotics. However, he's going to have a hard time selling them here. I'm sure that there have been a lot of people following this soap opera that have never said a word in public. Much like myself, it's none of their business. And with that, I bid you farewell. As I have already posted once prior in this thread, and this is the second. Neither of them should have been needed, but I didn't want people getting the idea that Chaz may have made something new, and I certainly don't want them getting the idea that what he is and has been doing is okay.

Take Care.

I think everyone knows that the way things have been handled is not ok.

I wasn't saying that and I respect your point of view and the points you make.

The last thing you say, with the implication that he hasn't done anything new just isn't right but I don't want to get into a debate on the finer points of case making with you. I see what I see from my perspective and experience and you see what you see from yours.

I understand what you are saying and I hope that Chaz bucks up and starts getting more cases out the door because I am really anxious for the two I have coming.

And yes, he should have not put the cart before the horse and started taking more orders than he could handle. That's obvious. You and your partner have a lifetime of experience between you to draw on when you talk to a customer. This kid didn't. He had a bright idea that he wanted to be a case maker, threw one together and thought it was easy. How many of us can say we didn't do anything like that in our lives as kids.

What I see now is someone who is in deeper than he should have been but who is trying to build some great and innovative cases.

Now, as it stands everyone who ordered a case can see what the situation is and they have two choices. Wait or don't wait. If they believe that the case they will end up with will exceed their expectations and be worth far more than what they paid then waiting is the best investment. If they don't then ask for a refund.

Constantly harassing the guy though doesn't seem to be very productive. And as far as that goes the only ones who should be doing the harassing are the people he owes cases to.

Why don't we all try a little encouragement? Unless you have a case on order then you can say whatever you want to.

 

[hangemhigh]

Well all I can really say to this is that you and I see things differently. I happen to think that there are things that Chaz is doing and trying that are time consuming and different.

I don't really want to run them down for you because my intention is not to be an advertising section for Chaz.

I was just giving the other side of the coin. I am NOT in ANY WAY condoning the way he has handled his business on this forum.

I not condoning how he deals with people he took money from, not condoning any part of the transactions.

I was merely pointing out that the way he is making cases IS more time consuming than other types of cases. Surely you can see that for yourself. Having said that though I agree with Ole in that Chas should have been able to finish up more cases for AZ members with outstanding orders.

Now you are extremely harsh on Chaz and I don't really know why since this isn't your fight. I mean you call the guy all sorts of names and I wonder if you ever picked up the phone to talk to him?

Maybe he could use a little help from people in the business rather than condemnation. Maybe a little encouragement.

I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the kid got in over his head. Who hasn't done that at some point in their lives?

You keep tossing out words like con and implying he's a thief and others say "customer service" this and that. You all forget that this is one young guy with less than a year's worth of experience who took a bunch of orders. And apparently he is living on the edge financially as well.

But everyone was HAPPY to pile on and place orders when he was offering totally custom cases for $275. Well when things seem too good to be true then they probably are.

But now, instead of trying to help out a fellow AZ'er you want to treat him as if he's an intentional crook. I don't see it that way. I see a young man with a lot of ambition and creativity who knows next to nothing about business and who put the cart before the horse.

So you take the easy way which is to bash him publicly rather than to simply try to see what you can do to help get over the hump.

Maybe a phone call from you with a little encouragement might do more to get the situation resolved than your constant public floggings.

In my opinion.

I see it from his customer's point of view, you know, the people he gladly talked to when he conned them into sending him their money. Then acts like it is their responsibility to contact him for progress reports instead of the other way around. I read with disgust how he blamed his customers for him not being able to deliver their cases, because he had to answer their calls! lol. Over you head is one thing, raffling off AIR over a year ago is outright theft, no 2 ways about it, John.

All of these guys that have been complaining for the past YEAR have nothing to show for their trust in this clown. When I see these members constantly complain about this guys complete lack of customer service and no delivery of their cases while at the same time he is offering cases for sale in other threads on our forum it is obvious he is using AZ to con our members.

There has been several threads about this, and every one reflects badly on other members because of his unacceptable conduct. He claims he doesn't have time to post here and answer his customers, but he had time to prey on them by using AZ.

He sold cases before he ever made one, and has taken advantage of our members good will, patience, ans still continues to lie to them a year later. His customers are our customers too, John. Maybe you should consider their plight in this whole mess while I do as you ask and consider Chaz's.

 

[JB Cases]

There ya go JB, I fixed it for you:wink:

Please edit that. I feel ya man, I really do and I understand where you are coming from.

But please don't insert words into what I wrote like that.

I don't condone it when Chaz tells you that the case will ship on x-date and it doesn't. Ask for your money back.

Either the kid will straighten up and get it all figured out or he won't. If you don't like the situation then ask for the money back and wash your hands of it.

I think at the end of the day he is overwhelmed and trying to keep his head above water. I don't know though, he could be sitting on his ass watching wresting and eating Doritos. No idea. All I can see is that he has put out some cases with interesting features on them. I have talked to him and through conversation I can see where his ambition is in case making.

I lean towards the positive side of hope here. And let's not all forget that when I make a comment it's also as someone who is invested as well with two cases on order, not as someone standing on the sidelines.