New Derby rules

[Joe_Jaguar]

Posted today on Facebook:


2019 Derby City Classic Rule Changes

One-Pocket:

•If a ball is made on the break, re-rack.
•When more than four balls are in the kitchen at the end of a player’s inning, the ball or balls closest to the end rail are spotted until there are only four balls remaining in the kitchen.

9-Ball:

•The Outsville template will be used in place of the traditional triangle.
•The 9-Ball is to be positioned on the spot when racking.
•Once balls are placed inside the template, do not touch them.
•If the template is not perfectly straight, call for a re-rack.
•A minimum of 3 balls must cross the head-string, less pocketed balls.
•There will be an 18” break-box.

Baby Powder is prohibited during all events at The Derby City Classic.
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Another tournament going to the bullsh!t 9 ball rule of "•A minimum of 3 balls must cross the head-string, less pocketed balls."

Too bad they don't just move the Bigfoot to the back end of the event so we can watch all Banks, 1P, and then Bigfoot and just skip the 9 ball.

 

[TRWpool]

As far as changing the OP rules. I"m old school.
Don't fix what isn't broken.

There will likely be unsupervised matches where players temporarily "forget" (on purpose or otherwise) the new rules until it suits their needs. What then?

The new rules may in the long run be beneficial to the tournament but we who are old enough to remember what happened to Nineball and two shot push out after Texas express rules became the norm may be a bit skeptical.

Texas express was implemented many years ago to speed up the game, but the sad truth is that the game became slower. You who are young and never played "two shot push out" wouldn't be expected to know this but we who are older understand the differences.

You see, when playing push out nineball a player was not taking much of a risk in trying to break balls loose from clusters and possibly getting hooked in the process. He could just roll out you see. The incoming player had the option of taking the shot from this cue ball position or handing it back to the other player. Now regardless of who takes this shot, a foul results in "ball in hand" Fair enough.

On the other hand this player who tries to break the balls loose may just come up with a nice shot following the breakout and finish the rack. This obviously keeps the game moving along at a faster pace.

Now, with these ball in hand rules on any foul, players are reluctant to try these shots and instead simply play for the safety which in the long run prolongs the game.

Unintended consequences!

Tom

 

[crabbcatjohn]

I guess we are going to find out if the 4 ball rule speeds up play. I'm obviously a big supporter of both new one pocket rules for tournament play. The re rack will slow it down, but the 4 ball rule should really speed it up. JMO

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I like all of the rule changes. The racking and breaking rules for 9 ball are almost the same as those at The International and they were a success there.

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[TRWpool]

I guess we are going to find out if the 4 ball rule speeds up play. I'm obviously a big supporter of both new one pocket rules for tournament play. The re rack will slow it down, but the 4 ball rule should really speed it up. JMO

John , I agree with you on this rule but I would think the balls to be spotted should be those closes to the head string not the head rail. Least impact the better, Am I right?

Tom

 

[Bob Jewett]

... There will likely be unsupervised matches where players temporarily "forget" (on purpose or otherwise) the new rules until it suits their needs. What then? ...

Following from the rule for slept balls, I guess each player gets a full inning before the ball(s) are spotted.

The new rule doesn't keep players from taking forever on the last four balls.

Here's something they could try: if all the balls are in the kitchen, note the score and rack up all 15 and shoot a break shot. Then you might be going to 5-3. That should be quick.

 

[9BallKY]

I just think one pocket should be played by one pocket rules No short cuts it takes away from the game

 

[lfigueroa]

Posted today on Facebook:


2019 Derby City Classic Rule Changes

One-Pocket:

•If a ball is made on the break, re-rack.
•When more than four balls are in the kitchen at the end of a player’s inning, the ball or balls closest to the end rail are spotted until there are only four balls remaining in the kitchen.

9-Ball:

•The Outsville template will be used in place of the traditional triangle.
•The 9-Ball is to be positioned on the spot when racking.
•Once balls are placed inside the template, do not touch them.
•If the template is not perfectly straight, call for a re-rack.
•A minimum of 3 balls must cross the head-string, less pocketed balls.
•There will be an 18” break-box.

Baby Powder is prohibited during all events at The Derby City Classic.
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Another tournament going to the bullsh!t 9 ball rule of "•A minimum of 3 balls must cross the head-string, less pocketed balls."

Too bad they don't just move the Bigfoot to the back end of the event so we can watch all Banks, 1P, and then Bigfoot and just skip the 9 ball.

IF the 1pocket rule changes were posted today, after players have sent in their entry, that is total bullshit.

And here's what's going to happen: guys will will decide amongst themselves at the start of a match: old rules or new rules. And the majority, who have no clue about this new bullshit, will say "old rules." So there will be matches contested both ways. That's the only saving grace -- you'll probably get to play old rules anyway.

These rules are purely for the benefit of the promoter and not the players. The way it's been handled, it's bullshit.

Lou Figueroa
did I mention it's bullshit?

 

[Wybrook]

I kind of have the same feeling about these rules..

The One Pocket changes are utterly stupid. I can see lots going wrong with this and many people being cheated out of position, etc.

There are countless scenarios in which this rule of the 4 balls could be used to change the game, and basically create an unfair advantage.

9 ball rule changes are less dramatic, although the one real change that should be implemented is the 9 ball does not count on break in any pocket, or at least not the bottom 2. In what other tourney is it rack your own and 9 ball counts on the snap. I have been cheated many times by opponents because of this.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

I will say the 1p rule change (which is obviously for expediency of the matches) is far more radical. There have been recent big tournaments played under those 9 ball rules. I've never seen 1p played that way (though ive heard of it), and I imagine it has a huge impact on strategy and gameplay in a way with which most people will be unfamiliar. I'm not a 1p player, but that doesn't seem good.

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[crabbcatjohn]

John , I agree with you on this rule but I would think the balls to be spotted should be those closes to the head string not the head rail. Least impact the better, Am I right?

Tom

I dont like the 4 ball rule In a gambling matchup. No need. To answer your question Tom, I do like pulling the ones closest to the rail. Should make the games faster, more exciting and create the need for more strategic situational play. Should be easier to measure the balls to pull too...

 

[lfigueroa]

Basically, what they are doing, is radically changing the traditional 1pocket “end game” for the sake of expediency.

It’s an integral part of the game that, just as in chess, is at the core of the contest, replete with all kinds of subtleties, nuance, opportunities and traps.

Lou Figueroa

 

[ShortBusRuss]

I kind of have the same feeling about these rules..

The One Pocket changes are utterly stupid. I can see lots going wrong with this and many people being cheated out of position, etc.

There are countless scenarios in which this rule of the 4 balls could be used to change the game, and basically create an unfair advantage.

9 ball rule changes are less dramatic, although the one real change that should be implemented is the 9 ball does not count on break in any pocket, or at least not the bottom 2. In what other tourney is it rack your own and 9 ball counts on the snap. I have been cheated many times by opponents because of this.

Man, wuzz up widdat, Adam? People ALLLWAYS trying to get over on you?

"Hey man... Just wanted to let you know... I could have called a foul if you jumped with that jump cue, but I'm telling you now, because I am a nice guy, but some other people won't be...."

 

[ShortBusRuss]

Basically, what they are doing, is radically changing the traditional 1pocket “end game” for the sake of expediency.

It’s an integral part of the game that, just as in chess, is at the core of the contest, replete with all kinds of subtleties, nuance, opportunities and traps.

Lou Figueroa

Well, tournament organizers have already ruined 9 ball in the name of faster tournaments, a la template racks, so now it's just One Pocket's turn.

 

[9BallKY]

Basically, what they are doing, is radically changing the traditional 1pocket “end game” for the sake of expediency.

It’s an integral part of the game that, just as in chess, is at the core of the contest, replete with all kinds of subtleties, nuance, opportunities and traps.

Lou Figueroa

It won't be long till they start racking nine balls and play 5-4

 

[HawaiianEye]

As far as changing the OP rules. I"m old school.
Don't fix what isn't broken.

There will likely be unsupervised matches where players temporarily "forget" (on purpose or otherwise) the new rules until it suits their needs. What then?

The new rules may in the long run be beneficial to the tournament but we who are old enough to remember what happened to Nineball and two shot push out after Texas express rules became the norm may be a bit skeptical.

Texas express was implemented many years ago to speed up the game, but the sad truth is that the game became slower. You who are young and never played "two shot push out" wouldn't be expected to know this but we who are older understand the differences.

You see, when playing push out nineball a player was not taking much of a risk in trying to break balls loose from clusters and possibly getting hooked in the process. He could just roll out you see. The incoming player had the option of taking the shot from this cue ball position or handing it back to the other player. Now regardless of who takes this shot, a foul results in "ball in hand" Fair enough.

On the other hand this player who tries to break the balls loose may just come up with a nice shot following the breakout and finish the rack. This obviously keeps the game moving along at a faster pace.

Now, with these ball in hand rules on any foul, players are reluctant to try these shots and instead simply play for the safety which in the long run prolongs the game.

Unintended consequences!

Tom

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I was beginning to think I was the only other person on here who had that same line of thinking.

The people here who never played it have no clue about it, yet they will badmouth it and tell you how much better Texas Express rules are.

The old way of playing was much, much better.

 

[garczar]

Hey guys, they have to do something to shorten some of the 1p matches. With DCC's buy-back and re-draw every round some matches go so long it throws a major wrench into the works. A race-2-three shouldn't take 3hrs but it happens enough to warrant trying something. If it turns out to be a total cluster u-know-what i'm sure that they'll make adjustments. If they had a 128player limit in the 1p this probably wouldn't be an issue but with twice that it is. Just my $.02, nothing more. BTW, i'm good with all the 9b rules. The best players will make the final 16 as usual.

 

[RiverCity]

Well, tournament organizers have already ruined 9 ball in the name of faster tournaments, a la template racks, so now it's just One Pocket's turn.

Oh come on now. Everybody says they want the sport to grow!

I say make ALL the tournaments so big and cumbersome that even MORE rules need to be changed. Who cares that the game is being further bastardized in the name of running a bigger tournament. :thumbup:

When we get down to just flipping a coin to decide a winner, lemme know.

I put myself through college flipping quarters, I like my chances! :thumbup:

 

[Poolmanis]

I kind of have the same feeling about these rules..

The One Pocket changes are utterly stupid. I can see lots going wrong with this and many people being cheated out of position, etc.

There are countless scenarios in which this rule of the 4 balls could be used to change the game, and basically create an unfair advantage.

9 ball rule changes are less dramatic, although the one real change that should be implemented is the 9 ball does not count on break in any pocket, or at least not the bottom 2. In what other tourney is it rack your own and 9 ball counts on the snap. I have been cheated many times by opponents because of this.

This. Exactly why I felt so bad at Derby. Opponent wires 9 ball ... I asked tournament director to do something but opponent just said he could not do better. I said to my opponent " I give up, Or if we continue this I gonna break my cue in his skull" and I walked away. Nice to come from another country and get this happened.

 

[King T]

Its really not a problem

I kind of have the same feeling about these rules..

The One Pocket changes are utterly stupid. I can see lots going wrong with this and many people being cheated out of position, etc.

There are countless scenarios in which this rule of the 4 balls could be used to change the game, and basically create an unfair advantage.

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Anybody that has played One Pocket has heard of these rules even if they havent played played this way. If toy cant win under these rules, your in a game that you cant win anyway.

One Pocket is the ultimate game of adjustment, no other game like it and this is just another adjustment.