new news on the checks~~~~~~

[mikepage]

[...] I am glad someone stepped up to the plate and I am sure KT lost more than any one pool player did in this venue. Now someone else will come along and hopefully take it one step further. If it goes bust at least KT showed us what was once an unknown is really there.

If the players are not paid for the tournaments, then neither your baseball analogy nor your failed business venture analogy applies.

More appropriately,

when KT announced these tournaments and actually began these tournaments, he was effectively placing a big envelope on top of a big light in the fancy ballrooms. If, in fact, players are not paid, then he's effectively grabbing that envelope and running out the back door into an alley.

Pay these players dammit!

 

[Eagle1]

Hehehe, I wonder when (ok if) the checks arrives, what you people find for the next topic to smash IPT..

Maybe I should wait a bit, but I cannot help it. You guys really are sad.



PS.

I'm not saying that I'm completely satisfied with the way IPT handles these things (quite obvious actually), but I'm still easily forgiving all these things, as I've seen how big IPT is, how much they have to do in such a short time, and how many things can go wrong, even if it wouldn't be their own fault.
Kevin has admitted many times, that IPT is far from perfect, but they are doing hard work to get it better.
Kevin's ways of doing things, seems to be quite unique, and there is lots of questionable things, like this check delay. Still, I do believe that the checks are coming, and the reason why the IPT is not coming up with excuses and explanations more, is simply that Kevin doesn't care about the doubters enough (nor the player's feelings, as he feels he's being Santa Claus allready). I would care, but seemingly Kevin doesn't.
I'm sure he feels he has done the greatest accomplishment for pool in it's history (which he has), so if the players need to wait little bit - SO WHAT?

Let's take Bernie for an example, and hypotethical approach that Kevin is going to stand behind his words in large scale.
Bernie doesn't know how to play billiards, but was chosen because shameless application. Bernie can be called crook actually. Bernie will get 13000$ this year, even not coming even near of winning ONE GAME on the Tour. Now Bernie is complainig here, and actually complaining and giving hard times in the tournaments also.
If Kevin knows that the money will be paid, maybe he just doesn't bother to give excuses for the delays, cos he feels it's not worth it, and the IPT is doing HUGE favour for the game and the players anyway, even some delays and errors on the way.

Once more I state, that if I were a rich guy and I would be organizing similar tour, I would have higher moral in these kind of things, which would probably even surpass the critics of this forum.

Kevin is not me - and I try to understand him, instead of just judging.



PPS.

By the way, as you seem to be so sure that the IPT is failing and it is just a matter of time when the rest of the world will realize it, and they are now just taking the money from the dorks who are going to the qualifiers and there wont be checks send nor Chigago event to be held, why did they cancel London?

There is a saying(DON'T MESS WITH A MANS FOOD OR HIS MONEY) To all the people that are saying"SHUTUP & WAIT" I bet they would have a different opinion if they were the ones that DIDN'T GET PAID!!Can I get an AMEN!!!!!

 

[Island Drive]

When anyone loses it has impact on their lives, how much I have no clue. I have no way of knowing if it impacted both sides the same way. Value of a loss is personal to each individual. To some emotional is greater than physical, and to others financial is worse, it depends on how you choose to process the issues and in turn its effect on you.

If they don't win some days, they don't eat, or at least they don't eat "well". To suggest that the emotional impact of a loss compares in any way with not getting enough to eat is ludicrous.

I didn't compare food to emotions.
Well, enough said, I'm gonna shoot on the back table and stay out of the way.

 

[wayne]

I gotta hand it to you Marvel! You're such an optimistic guy!
Now, can you explain it to me why Marcus Chamat haven't gotten his 30
thousand dollars yet? It's been more than 2 months now since the NA 8-Ball
Championship and Marcus is still waiting...

PS:

Are you wearing blinkers? Or you were just born yesterday? lol

I believe Jay was the one who stated Marcus Chamat hadn't been paid yet and he probably knows exactly why. From my very limited knowledge of the situation it was trying to be worked out by people close to Marcus that he would receive the lump sum as opposed to having a huge amount withheld for being a foreigner as a result he didn't get paid along with everyone else. I don't have exact details but it is definitely not a situation where everyone else got paid and the IPT decided not to pay Marcus.

(Oh, and by the way Marvel stated he is Marcus Juva and is #63 in money winnings on the IPT and he has beaten Marcus Chamat 3 times in the 2 IPT events and he is one of only a handful that have run 7 racks in a single match, so I don't think he is wearing any blinkers, are you?)

Wayne

 

[wayne]

All KT showed anybody was how a lying, cheating scumbag can doop a bunch of money hungry pool players with flash and cash.
Purdman

Don't you think you are going a little overboard (of course you don't lol). I am sure all of those hall of famers who received the biggest paydays of their lives from that "lying, cheating scumbag" are really feeling duped. How dare he take advantage of them by giving them all that money.

Wayne

 

[ironman]

Don't you think you are going a little overboard (of course you don't lol). I am sure all of those hall of famers who received the biggest paydays of their lives from that "lying, cheating scumbag" are really feeling duped. How dare he take advantage of them by giving them all that money.

Wayne

Isn't that the very point? He hasn't paid that , that he has promised.
Why in the hell would anyone defend this guy now?

 

[jay helfert]

I believe Jay was the one who stated Marcus Chamat hadn't been paid yet and he probably knows exactly why. From my very limited knowledge of the situation it was trying to be worked out by people close to Marcus that he would receive the lump sum as opposed to having a huge amount withheld for being a foreigner as a result he didn't get paid along with everyone else. I don't have exact details but it is definitely not a situation where everyone else got paid and the IPT decided not to pay Marcus.

(Oh, and by the way Marvel stated he is Marcus Juva and is #63 in money winnings on the IPT and he has beaten Marcus Chamat 3 times in the 2 IPT events and he is one of only a handful that have run 7 racks in a single match, so I don't think he is wearing any blinkers, are you?)

Wayne

Marcus and Tang came by again yesterday. Marcus said that Thorsten definitely DID get his 350K check last week (they had a saver). And he was told that his 30K would be going out this week. So he is still optimistic. He is owed the 30K plus only 5K from Reno. So he is waiting for 35K total.

Tang is hooked up with Mark Trainer, along with two dozen others. They are all waiting for $$$ from Reno, as is Mark.

Most of the players will be at the Open next week. I'm sure there will be some conversation there about the IPT and the late payments. No one wants to talk on record yet. They just want their money.

There is definitely disenchantment with the IPT, but lacking an alternative, the players remain hopeful. Right now the focus seems to be on the Open and the WPC coming up in November.

They are still pool players at the end of the day. They gotta play.

 

[Marvel]

There is a saying(DON'T MESS WITH A MANS FOOD OR HIS MONEY) To all the people that are saying"SHUTUP & WAIT" I bet they would have a different opinion if they were the ones that DIDN'T GET PAID!!Can I get an AMEN!!!!!

So how much you wanna bet?

 

[Marvel]

Markus, thank you for your revealingly honest post. I wonder what a great place this forum would be if more posters were as genuine as your last post was.

Obviously, you know who I am, and my connection to the game and it's players. Some of the greatest players in the world (many of them european), I am glad to call my very good friends.

I am distressed by the current state of affairs that the ipt is presently in. I wanted to emain FOREVER optomistic, but everytime I turnaround, there is a brand new development that causes me to lose much of that optomism. The ipt COULD be the greatest thing that ever happened to pool, and I wish it would be. I beleive there is still time, but thereneeds to bemore honesty andtransparency to restore the faith of the players, fans and hopeful qualifiers for this thing to work.

I won't write very much more, other than to say that I have heard many wonderful things about you and the strength of your game. I wish you all future successes inside and out of the ipt.

Please consider participating on the forums occasionally, as I am sure your insights into the game would be well recieved and appreciated.

Be well and shoot straight.

Randy Goldwater

Thank's buddy, see you probably soon..


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