New WPA Official Rules of Pool … Learn About All the Changes

bbb said:
i have not read thru the whole thread so if this was already addressed i apologize just lead me to the post
in the one pocket rules it says this (bolded part by me)
10.3 SELECTING POCKETS AND THE BREAK SHOT The breaker of each rack will choose a pocket, and the opponent gets the other foot pocket. If the breaker does not explicitly indicate a pocket, they are assigned the foot pocket opposite to the side of the cue ball placement for the break. The cue ball begins in hand above the head string. There are no special requirements for the break shot.
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if there are no special requirements does that mean you do not have to hit a rail or make a ball?
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You don't have to get a ball to a cushion but of course that's a foul, as it is on all shots, and you would owe a ball. The word you overlooked is "special". That word means you don't have to do anything special, like get two object balls to the cushion, which is not required on any shot at one pocket.

Also, since you are not required to make the cue ball touch a cushion after contact with an object ball on any normal shot, that is also not required on the break shot. If it was required on the break shot, it would be a special requirement on the break. That means that if you want, you can kick to the side of the rack and it is not a foul as long as you satisfy all of the requirements of a shot.
 
Fore Rail said:
Yes it's a loss, that has already been established.

Go into hypothetical mode, say someone is playing a match in a WPA sanctioned league.

What is the score?
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It depends on the rules of the league. It is only leagues that give anything other than one point for a win at eight ball. Different leagues score differently.
 
Fore Rail said:
10 point scoring system.
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The WPA has nothing to do with any 10-point scoring system. The WPA does not sanction any league system. If it did, hypothetically, sanction a league, the operators of that league would be completely free to establish any scoring system they pleased. If it were my league, hypothetically, I would score it as mentioned above by how many balls remain on the table when the eight is pocketed. That seems like the easiest as you don't have to remember how the balls got off the table.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
You don't have to get a ball to a cushion but of course that's a foul, as it is on all shots, and you would owe a ball. The word you overlooked is "special". That word means you don't have to do anything special, like get two object balls to the cushion, which is not required on any shot at one pocket.

Also, since you are not required to make the cue ball touch a cushion after contact with an object ball on any normal shot, that is also not required on the break shot. If it was required on the break shot, it would be a special requirement on the break. That means that if you want, you can kick to the side of the rack and it is not a foul as long as you satisfy all of the requirements of a shot.
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good explanation bob
to me the way it is worded "no special requirement"
i inferred meant anything was legal since nothing special was required
it was misleading and i doubt i am the only one...maybe so
thanks for the clarification
 
bbb said:
i have not read thru the whole thread so if this was already addressed i apologize just lead me to the post
in the one pocket rules it says this (bolded part by me)
10.3 SELECTING POCKETS AND THE BREAK SHOT The breaker of each rack will choose a pocket, and the opponent gets the other foot pocket. If the breaker does not explicitly indicate a pocket, they are assigned the foot pocket opposite to the side of the cue ball placement for the break. The cue ball begins in hand above the head string. There are no special requirements for the break shot.
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if there are no special requirements does that mean you do not have to hit a rail or make a ball?
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what bob said, it's a shot rather than a break, and it's highly disadvantageous to not use this shot to put the cb along opponents long rail (and move balls obviously).

i regularly play a guy (~650) who uses a 14.1 style opening in 1p. that's about as defensive as it gets, and a bad idea too. it sometimes leaves a dead ball
 
Fore Rail said:
Yes it's a loss, that has already been established.

Go into hypothetical mode, say someone is playing a match in a WPA sanctioned league.

What is the score?
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That would depend on the scoring rules. WPA doesn't sanction leagues as far as I know, but leagues are free to use the rules.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The WPA has nothing to do with any 10-point scoring system. The WPA does not sanction any league system. If it did, hypothetically, sanction a league, the operators of that league would be completely free to establish any scoring system they pleased. If it were my league, hypothetically, I would score it as mentioned above by how many balls remain on the table when the eight is pocketed. That seems like the easiest as you don't have to remember how the balls got off the table.
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That is how USAPL did it. I have broken and ran a table, and the opponent got points because I made both suites of balls on the break. I break, run out, opponent sits and gets 2 points LOL
 
hang-the-9 said:
That is how USAPL did it. I have broken and ran a table, and the opponent got points because I made both suites of balls on the break. I break, run out, opponent sits and gets 2 points LOL
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So, a worst-case scenario is he needs two points to win the match and you break and make two of each group. Do you lose immediately, or could you run out and tie somehow?
 
Bob Jewett said:
So, a worst-case scenario is he needs two points to win the match and you break and make two of each group. Do you lose immediately, or could you run out and tie somehow?
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In a team tournament event if a player only needs two balls & they are made in your above scenario the match would be over.

A match is considered over when a team can no longer mathematically win.
 
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