I was going to say that in my first post on this thread ... but I thought I would nudge it along a bit.
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I was going to say that in my first post on this thread ... but I thought I would nudge it along a bit.
inside vs. outside
A rule of thumb for describing sidespin english is to think if it as towards the
outside of table or on the rail side of CB (outside english) or towards the
inside of the table or away from the rail side of the CB (inside english).
The shot the OP is describing is called a "stun" or "bunt". It has to be low,
outside english
It is used to kill a cueball on the rail or at a closer range to impart a lot of throw
on the object ball on an off angle shot where you don't want to move the cue
out of line too much.
It's a must have shot and with a little practice can become a major arrow in
your quiver.
A rule of thumb for describing sidespin english is to think if it as towards the
outside of table or on the rail side of CB (outside english) or towards the
inside of the table or away from the rail side of the CB (inside english).
The shot the OP is describing is called a "stun" or "bunt". It has to be low,
outside english
It is used to kill a cueball on the rail or at a closer range to impart a lot of throw
on the object ball on an off angle shot where you don't want to move the cue
out of line too much.
It's a must have shot and with a little practice can become a major arrow in
your quiver.
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You are on! Saturday I will set this up on a good table with fast cloth and will report back on the results. Please understand that I have a wicked skid stroke. I am going to copy the table and set it up with the distances as close as possible.
I tried the shot last night. I think the closest you can leave the cue ball to the cushion is about 12 inches. On a table with a rug for cloth, huge pockets and dead cushions, a little closer might be possible. I was playing softly with maximum low left, and it did look like I was shooting straight at the object ball. (Of course, the swerve brings the cue ball over for a roughly half-ball hit.)
I set this shot up on a table with fast cloth and fairly tight pockets.
My best try with pocketing the ball was to hold the cue ball 8 inches from the rail and the object ball just barely fell in the pocket.
My best try with pocketing the ball was to hold the cue ball 8 inches from the rail and the object ball just barely fell in the pocket.
I'm not familiar with that shot. If I needed to keep the cue ball on that side of the table I'd use low outside and go one rail across the table and back. The only worry is scratching in the side.
I'm not saying the shot doesn't work because I haven't tried it but it seems unconventional.
I'm not saying the shot doesn't work because I haven't tried it but it seems unconventional.
I would go back and forth also,but sometimes there will be balls in the way preventing this. It really is just a simple kill shot. You just have to have a skid shot in your arsenal.
Something I noticed on this shot, that helped me learn how to kill it... a lot of guys (not saying you measureman, or bob J either) hit ultra soft low left thinking they're killing the ball. But reality the spin dies long before the CB reaches the OB. And in fact the CB has swerved a little to make the cut thinner (or thin enough).
In a nutshell, if you're at a distance, you can get the exact same kill effect by skipping the left, and hitting as soft as possible and as fat as possible with very low draw drag. No left or right necessary (and it may hurt your chances).
In a nutshell, if you're at a distance, you can get the exact same kill effect by skipping the left, and hitting as soft as possible and as fat as possible with very low draw drag. No left or right necessary (and it may hurt your chances).
True. But what the left hand english does is to spin the object ball in allowing you to hit more of the object ball and helping to slow the cue ball down more. When I hit this with a good skid stroke and a ton of low left it looks as if I have hit the object ball too fat but just at the point of impact that extreme spin just throws the object ball down the rail.
Yup makes sense to me. Now the question is... at this distance diagrammed, how much harder do you have to hit the ball to make sure it's still spinning when it arrives? It seems like a tradeoff... if the ball doesn't have to be spinning, you can safely hit it softer. Have you tried it without the fat hit and skid stroke?
The skid stroke is the key to any kill shot. It allows the cue ball to get to the object ball and the extreme english is the power the send the object ball to the pocket.
inside and outside is determined by the which side the cueball is going to come off the object ball. Consider in the diagram, just for the sake of showing you it's just a matter of 1/4 inch or so, that determines whether right hand english would be inside or outside.
Hopefully that helps. Inside english is also called running english, because it will haul ass after it hits a rail. Consequently, if you shot the same shot with outside english or reverse english, after hitting the rail, it would deaden or kill. All of this depends on your cut and hitting it low or high too.
I'll stop now, before I confuse you more
There is alot of "buts" in these statements too.... but generally it will give you a idea
Our next discussion should be on how you can draw a ball with heavy Top
(High) english :rotflmao1: and how to tell the difference between Top (High)
english and Bottom (Low) english. :bash: Consider yourself flamed.
Oh, well. I'm off to practice my skid stroke.
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