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No cut break allowed?
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CJ told me IN Houston that it was almost requred and yhe only effective break
With todays bitty batt bunt bunt style of 9 ball played today why is everyone so afraid of the break? I t seems offensive pool is just that, offensive??
I hear ya, ironman. Outside the MC scope, I personally dislike any 9-ball break that is not given full "attention."
But can we blame anyone? No. We need to tweak a few 9-ball rules so that the 9-ball break can become more athletic.
I say require full-on 9-ball break and immediately after that break, IF nothing is made the incoming player MUST push.
This way everyone will lose his/her fear of selling out the break.
Furthermore, the breaker still has an opportunity to run the rack and yet, some of the "breaking luck" factor is eliminated.
I would love to remove some of the "bitty batt bunt bunt style" in 9-ball as you say, ironman. Please.:boring2:
Same goes for 10-ball, for that matter.
Joe T
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And CJ would be correct if the the 1 was racked on the spot and the break box was normal size (he probably was talking about that situation). Here the 9 is racked on the spot and the break box is a lil smaller. This is all to eliminate the wing ball going in to easy and to promote a firm break (which they're all doing).
After seeing todays results I would have to experiment with a cut break but for 2 other reason;
Play the 1 in the side
and
play the cue ball more down table, near the rack, if you miss the 1 in the side you won't sell out as much and you could still get a shot on the 2.
To me these are the best 9 ball break rules. That's the good news, the bad news is it will come down to more luck on the break.
I dont get it????
So am I hearing you guys say that Johnny, the best breaker in history, Shane, the best current break in the game and Earl who has had a break as good as anybody, that these guys cant figure out the break?????
Rodney cant figure out the break, then they shouldn't win right? Its not the game, if our best players can win, then they just cant win, right?
So am I hearing you guys say that Johnny, the best breaker in history, Shane, the best current break in the game and Earl who has had a break as good as anybody, that these guys cant figure out the break?????
Rodney cant figure out the break, then they shouldn't win right? Its not the game, if our best players can win, then they just cant win, right?
Neither team has figured out the break. So far it actually seems that the 9 ball being kicked by the apex ball bouncing off the end rail like played in back pocket 9 ball has had more success at twice made than any other ball.
Why, everything else about pool is about precision--why not also the break?
This is ridiculous, people. Are we going to create excuses again for our team here and blame the break for not winning?
If the rules are the same for both teams then the breaking issue is a "wash."
Let's call it like it is—our guys need to get "tough" out there and "finish."
As I said in another post; whether we win or lose I don't want to hear any excuses. I'm tired of it, aren't you all?
Perhaps all this jingoism is all manufactured.
If you really, I mean really, are playing for your own country then step up and act like you mean it and quit giving the games away.
I sure wish Corey was out there. He's one of the few who SINCERELY wants to win.
Also, a few players on our team need to start showing some sincere "heart" and take it more seriously.
Rodney, are you listening?
When are we gonna learn that this MC is not necessarily about picking our best players,
but about picking those players who got HEART and SINCERITY to win for their country/continent.
GO U.S.A.!!!
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Joe T
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I don't see anyone making excuses in this thread? Simply talking about the break, at least I was. Matter a fact I just experimented with 50 breaks to see what kind of adjustments I would try.
On the other thing, every player out there has heart, they never would have got where THEY ARE without it.
And Yes, Europe did play better.
I think what he was eluding to that so many balls have to get beyond the side pocket to be a legal break. That is what prompts the cut break.
Joe T
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Sorry bro but that rule doesn't prompt the cut break, they made that rule to get rid of the soft cut break, even the medium soft cut break, you'll get more more balls past the headstring breaking they way they are today, head on firm. This year there is no rule of 3 balls past the headstring so you could break soft if you wanted to. I'm pretty sure CJ was saying that you simply have to cut break now adays when they're using a regular break box and racking the 1 ball on the spot (like the US Open) or even when the 9 is on the spot but you're allowed to break more from the side.
These are pretty good rules for 9 ball imo. I just broke 50 soft ones just playing the 1 in the side and letting the cue ball fall to the end rail. Not sure on the stats but I'm almost positve they would be better than the 67 breaks that took place today. Can't wait to see what Atlarge posts for break stats on Day1 Not saying that is they way to go, just putting it out there. I'll try to post a vid of it tomorrow maybe?
I was going to wait. But, since you asked:
Broke wet without fouling:
• USA: 6 of 24 (25%)
• Eur: 8 of 23 (35%)
• Combined: 14 of 47 (30%)
Won game when breaking:
• USA: 5 of 24 (21%)
• Eur: 11 of 23 (48%)
• Combined: 16 of 47 (34%)
Won game when broke wet:
• USA: 1 of 6 (17%)
• Eur: 3 of 8 (38%)
• Combined: 4 of 14 (29%)
Break-and-run games:
• USA: 1 of 24 (4%) -- by SVB
• Eur: 2 of 23 (9%) -- both 9's on the break, one each by Appleton & Immonen
• Combined: 3 of 47 (6%)
Pathetic Shark
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I usually can't watch pool live, it's terrible. This, however, was fantastic, and the break made it so. No two-balls-potted-and-an-easy-spread tedium. It forced players into playing strategically, which, combined with a stop clock, led to mistakes and much needed 'back n forth'. In short, it was fast, entertaining and unpredictable. Clusters, resulting from more balls on the table, presented interesting challenges to all.
That there were only three BnRs is an amazing stat. There's hope for this game at pro level.
That there were only three BnRs is an amazing stat. There's hope for this game at pro level.
Agreed.
With the UK Championships being on TV right now (snooker) what struck me most about the difference between watching pool and snooker, is the feeling of inevitability pool can have at the highest levels. You'd think it would be the other way around, with snooker being a scoring game and the money ball being everything in nine-ball, but it's not.
With the table and pocket sizes in snooker, when a player is on their way to winning a frame, the smallest of twitches on a shot can result in a (potentially catastrophic) miss. But with pool, and especially with how often the pros maintain practically perfect position throughout a rack, most game winning shots (and the one or two preceding them) are harder to miss than they are to make.
This format doesn't change that, but what it does do is it gives you a back and forth struggle prior to the inevitable running of the balls - which means that the inevitable running of the balls doesn't feel too easy or unfair, it feels deserved. The nervy play at the beginning of each frame builds to a release when someone finally comes with a big shot or someone else messes up a safety gives us drama, and the players running out off the back of that gives us the chance to appreciate how easy they make the game.
I'm enjoying things so far.
I wonder if anyone is going to try a soft and or cut break today. The balls made on the hard full on breaks yesterday all went in after several random kisses.
I agree that I like 9 ball much more with these break rules. Introduces a little back and forth. Also, Joe, I believe I read that there is an agreement among the teams that they will hit the break shot hard so any kind of soft break may not be an option.