no he wasnt!

[bignasty]

i just heard a commentator say that shane was born a deaf mute! thats not the case shane was born deaf! deaf mutes do not have the ability to speak! shane speaks just fine! just wanted to clear that up! the correct termwould be hearing impaired anyway!

 

[ragbug74]

i just heard a commentator say that shane was born a deaf mute! thats not the case shane was born deaf! deaf mutes do not have the ability to speak! shane speaks just fine! just wanted to clear that up!

I believe on the ESPN broadcast I was watching yesterday, they said he was born with 97% hearing loss.

 

[cubc]

ok he does speak.. i dont know about just fine.. that depends where you're from I suppose

 

[bignasty]

must be you!

ok he does speak.. i dont know about just fine.. that depends where you're from I suppose

i talk to him everyday! speaks just fine! you must not hear to wll!

 

[cubc]

OH I've only heard him on tv during interviews.. seems pretty hard to understand on there but that could be the mic or somethin.

 

[RunoutalloverU]

No he is hard to understand, it isnt the mic.

 

[derekdisco]

Id swap a couple senses for shanes playing ability! But from anytime ive intereacted with shane, I didnt have to repeat myself, or speak up and I understood him just fine!

 

[HollyWood]

hello

Shane is a gentleman, quiet and a good listener. When shane sayes something you can understand him very easily. His actions speak louder than words. A very differen't spokes person than shall we say efren was for the ipt. Shane is very down to earth. Up here we speak softly but carry a big stick. And that stick surly has been doing all the talking. The kid just walked out from the wilderness to (one of the best players) and everybody wants to be his friend.Seeing what kind of free ride they can get. In the last tv interview I heard shane say he practicied 9 hrs a day. And he gave his breaking success to Mr. Sigal and to Mr. Varner. Actually helping younger players. I know it is hard to believe that someone walks into the poolhall and wants to play the best players in the world-not hustle the other million that think they can play. Shane could be the next willie hoppe-for 40yrs. He just knows when to speak and when not to-his family raised him to respect all others and the kid has high morales and values. mark

 

[BVal]

Shane is a gentleman, quiet and a good listener. When shane sayes something you can understand him very easily. His actions speak louder than words. A very differen't spokes person than shall we say efren was for the ipt. Shane is very down to earth. Up here we speak softly but carry a big stick. And that stick surly has been doing all the talking. The kid just walked out from the wilderness to (one of the best players) and everybody wants to be his friend.Seeing what kind of free ride they can get. In the last tv interview I heard shane say he practicied 9 hrs a day. And he gave his breaking success to Mr. Sigal and to Mr. Varner. Actually helping younger players. I know it is hard to believe that someone walks into the poolhall and wants to play the best players in the world-not hustle the other million that think they can play. Shane could be the next willie hoppe-for 40yrs. He just knows when to speak and when not to-his family raised him to respect all others and the kid has high morales and values. mark

well said.....

 

[Fast Lenny]

Shane speaks very low and thats about it,his hearing impairment im sure has made his other senses sharper,his vision and smell,thats usually what they say,like when a blind person can hear so well.

 

[ShootingArts]

?????

i just heard a commentator say that shane was born a deaf mute! thats not the case shane was born deaf! deaf mutes do not have the ability to speak! shane speaks just fine! just wanted to clear that up! the correct termwould be hearing impaired anyway!

Maybe the folks weren't tactful, but we are all born mute with the possible exception of Minnesota Fats who I think was born talking!

People who are stone deaf or significantly hearing impaired have problems with volume control. Many talk very low all of the time and some talk too loud at times. having pretty significant hearing loss myself, I can vouch for them being too loud at times without realizing it.

Hu

 

[av84fun]

i just heard a commentator say that shane was born a deaf mute! thats not the case shane was born deaf! deaf mutes do not have the ability to speak! shane speaks just fine! just wanted to clear that up! the correct termwould be hearing impaired anyway!

The term "deaf-mute" is considered offensive to hearing impaird people and so should not be used out of respect.

But assuming the commentator didn't intend to be insulting, his point was probably only intended to suggest that Shane is profoundly deaf (97) but not 100% deaf.

Deafness is, of course, a function of the ear "assembly" and has nothing to do with the vocal chords.

As Shane points out he learned to vocalize words and was probably seriously helped in that process by those with specialized training and by the significant advances in hearing aid technology.

In years past, without hearing amplification, the deaf had to attempt to articulate words merely by guessing and trial and error with a hearing person letting them know that they had it right.

That was an excruciating process that many could not or would not do and therefore, did not attempt to vocalize words...choosing instead to remain silent or "mute."

But that was a choice and not a physical inability to utter sounds with the vocal chords.

I have an interest in this topic because I have about a 40% loss on both sides...probably contributed to by the fact that I blew a cherry bomb off in the Boys Room in the 6th grade!
(-:

"Deaf-Mute -- Another offensive term from the 18th-19th century, "mute" also means silent and without voice. This label is technically inaccurate, since deaf and hard of hearing people generally have functioning vocal chords. The problem lies with the fact that to successfully modulate your voice, you need to be able to hear your own voice. Again, because deaf and hard of hearing people use various methods of communication other than using their voices, they are not truly mute. True communication occurs when one's message is understood by others, and they can respond in kind."



http://www.nad.org/site/pp.asp?c=foINKQMBF&b=103786

 

[Dawgie]

I used to work with a guy who was totally normal in respect to his hearing and speech. Then he had a stroke that left him speech impaired. He and I worked together and he waas the foreman. When he came back to work I was his interpretor(sp). When he would explain something to a customer I would be there to help with the communication. Everything was going just fine, including his good work habits, then he was let go by the co. Real bummer. They would never actually me why they did this but I think it was his speech. Too bad cause this guy was very sharp with electronics.

 

[JoeyA]

Shane is a gentleman, quiet and a good listener. When shane sayes something you can understand him very easily. His actions speak louder than words. A very differen't spokes person than shall we say efren was for the ipt. Shane is very down to earth. Up here we speak softly but carry a big stick. And that stick surly has been doing all the talking. The kid just walked out from the wilderness to (one of the best players) and everybody wants to be his friend.Seeing what kind of free ride they can get. In the last tv interview I heard shane say he practicied 9 hrs a day. And he gave his breaking success to Mr. Sigal and to Mr. Varner. Actually helping younger players. I know it is hard to believe that someone walks into the poolhall and wants to play the best players in the world-not hustle the other million that think they can play. Shane could be the next willie hoppe-for 40yrs. He just knows when to speak and when not to-his family raised him to respect all others and the kid has high morales and values. mark

In the past, I've spoken to Shane and he has heard me and I did not have to repeat myself. He also answered me clearly without problems of understanding on either of our parts even though I too have a hearing impairment but no hearing aid.

It's readily apparent that Shane has been raised to respect others and he will receive the same respect that he gives to others. His soft spoken manner is appreciated by most and I find myself remembering what my dad used to tell me, "Don't tell me what you're going to do, show me".
Thanks Dad,

JoeyA

 

[Sire380]

i just heard a commentator say that shane was born a deaf mute! thats not the case shane was born deaf! deaf mutes do not have the ability to speak! shane speaks just fine! just wanted to clear that up! the correct termwould be hearing impaired anyway!

It was Jay Helfert doing the commentary. You would think he would know better. He probably just mispoke though. As far as Shane's ability to speak, he speaks just fine.

 

[Thecoats]

I Agree with Chad...

i talk to him everyday! speaks just fine! you must not hear to wll!

I have had several conversations with Shane and he is very easy to understand and speaks fine, regardless of any hearing defficiencies.

-don

 

[cheesemouse]

Shane has all the social skills anyone could hope for, he has more than most...LOL

 

[silvr rcr]

The term "deaf-mute" is considered offensive to hearing impaird people and so should not be used out of respect.

I see the definition listed below your original post, but i used to work with deaf people as a profession and it can be an accurate term.

Any accurate term used in the wrong context can be offensive, but if a person cannot make sound with vocal chords and cannot hear, they are deaf-mute, even those in the speech and hearing impaired community use this term. However, the more politically correct term would be 'hearing and speech impaired' or 'deaf and speech impaired'.

As for the original poster, just because a new born cannot form sounds into words immediately after birth, most do make vocal sounds. I dont know Shane from any of the rest of you, but if he was not able to do this at birth, he was born 'vocally impaired'.

on with random discussion

 

[Thecoats]

Jay loses a couple of points on his choice of words

It was Jay Helfert doing the commentary. You would think he would know better. He probably just mispoke though. As far as Shane's ability to speak, he speaks just fine.

I think Jay should have been more sensitive and I am sure he wishes he had said something more like "hearing impaired" I have a lot of respect for Jay but in this one incident he came of a bit insensitive, oh well if you sit in front of a mic long enough you are probably going to say a few things you wish you could take back. Otherwise nice job Jay, Jerry and Jim on the commentary. It sure beat the hell out of that one British dude that gets so damn overly excited when someone makes a hanger

-don

 

[av84fun]

It was Jay Helfert doing the commentary. You would think he would know better. He probably just mispoke though. As far as Shane's ability to speak, he speaks just fine.

There is no way that Jay intended to insult Shane. That phrase is now not preferred by the hearing impaired but few of us have the occasion to relate to such people except rarely and it is a little difficult to keep up with the preferred description.

The phrase of "deaf and dumb" dates all the way back to Aristotle (I think) who thought that deaf people were unable to learn. But LATER the word "dumb" in that context simply meant "unable to speak" which is where the term "dumb animal" came from. That phrase does not mean "stupid animal" just that the lower animals can't articulate human speech.

And as I stated above, technically, EVERY infant is born "mute"...since one proper definition is "Unable to speak." Children only become capable of human speech from LISTENING to it.

And what Jay certainly meant was that Shane was so profoundly deaf at birth that he lacked the ability to hear human speech.

There is NO WAY he meant to be rude.

Regards,
Jim