Flex said:
you got to admit, it's rather difficult to precisely hit an OB using the rails than precisely hitting an OB using a jump cue.
No jump cue for Efren Reyes
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you got to admit, it's rather difficult to precisely hit an OB using the rails than precisely hitting an OB using a jump cue.
Real men don't take Valiums or Prozak.Flex said:
PKM said:
i've got an accu stats dvd where he broke down his andy j/b and jumped a ball in ( i think he was playing earl strickland)
Hail Mary Shot said:
Actually, I've spent some serious time learning how to kick one rail, two rails, three rails... and compensating for the way different tables react to those shots. Plus kicking using various amounts of english to compensate for obstructions, shooting curve shots off the rails, and so on. I love it...
When I'm playing in a tournament or for real, I'll assess my chances/probabilities of success with kicking first, and if I can't figure out a way to pull that off, will take a look at jumping. It's a percentages thing. Which is easier? Hmmm... there are fellows who'll tell you it takes 30 years to learn how to kick... that's total BS. And some guys just plain can't jump.
Jumping and kicking are both necessary skills, IMHO.
Flex
Flex said:
I believe what they meant was it takes a long time to master all the possible shots in a kickshot. percentage wise, kickshot is not advisable unless you are that really precise.
the 30 years was too much and probably just a figure of speech.
May I ask if those who can't jump, are they better in kicking?
alstl said:
Have you considered the fact that banning jump cues would handicap shorter players? It is clearly easier for a tall guy like Mike Massey to jump using a full cue than it is for Alex, for example.
The demands of the modern 9-ball game are such that there are times when using a jump cue is simply the highest percentage way to approach a situation. What is so wrong with that? I still have yet to see where the jump cue allows a player to consistently win against a better player. It would seem to me that jump cues actually favor the better player because he will freeze the cue ball up and force you to shoot away from the OB more often than his lesser-skilled opponent. In addition the better player, with a little practice, will simply execute better with the jump cue than his opponent--tools that rely on skill rather than electronics will always work better in the hands of the superior craftsman. So what's the beef?
alstl said:
At least one foot has to be on the floor!
Hail Mary Shot said:
One fellow who plays a lot at Chris's in Chicago is a master of kicking... Can't jump worth a darn though. When he matches up and finds out his opponent can jump reasonably well, he starts whining and saying "No jomp cues!"
The way to handle that is to say, ok, we can stop playing right now. Want to play or pull up?
Flex
VIProfessor said:
I got a new idea, how about bracketing players according to height or weight class?
I do not completely agree that being a dwarf is a decrement on one's capability in pool. this is not basketball where height is might. same as that with swimming. I had a cousin who is much taller and longer than me. She acknowledges that I am the better and faster swimmer, yet she's able to match my speed due to her long limbs. It's like I'm doing 4 strokes just to reach 2 meters in 4 secs while it only took her 2 strokes. that is why I'm not easily impressed with world record holders who had longer limbs compared to previous holders who got shorter ones.
now, that is a clear handicap and unfair competition. I hope that they make some changes regarding that sport.
Now , with regards to pool, it is rather a battle of wits and precision cue handling capability rather than height.
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PKM said:
I am positive I just watched a match between Efren and Earl Strickland in which Efren used a jump cue. I remember it distinctly because the commentators were talking about how Earl detests jump cues and so on and so forth.
Flex said:
I see. on the otherhand, I had also some experiences of my own. except that these fellas know how to jump but they suck at kicking. love to 3-foul these guys, which pissed them off and said "C'mon, stop being a WUSS"
efren and a jump cue
Here a little story about a jump cue. In the 2005 DCC I was playing 9 ball in the pit next to Efren, playing one pocket. I had just jumped a hanging 7 ball in and then ran out. It was my opponnets break so I sat down next to Efren, he tell me nice jump but he doesn't jump balls, so I say to him the only way to make that ball was to jump it in, does that mean you will give a game away because you don't have a jump cue? Well that afternoon he comes in with a jump cue in his hand to play a 9 ball match, he sees me and shows me the cue and grins.
Here a little story about a jump cue. In the 2005 DCC I was playing 9 ball in the pit next to Efren, playing one pocket. I had just jumped a hanging 7 ball in and then ran out. It was my opponnets break so I sat down next to Efren, he tell me nice jump but he doesn't jump balls, so I say to him the only way to make that ball was to jump it in, does that mean you will give a game away because you don't have a jump cue? Well that afternoon he comes in with a jump cue in his hand to play a 9 ball match, he sees me and shows me the cue and grins.
Schon-desi said:
ive seen a couple of posts mentioning this but to me its pretty much a fact that you can increase your opportunity to pocket balls with a jump cue relative to kicking if you get accurate with it. being as competitive as he is i would think that efren would use this tool but he doesnt use it many times, so why is that?? i would say stubborness or hes not very good at it like some of the other guys, ive seen some guys shoot that shot with unbelievable accuracy at times.
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9BallMarksman said:
I watched the same match. Incardona is going on and on about Earl and the full length cue jumps and Earl's dislike..... meanwhile when Earl has to jump a ball he grabs his "jump" cue which is a much shorter version of his playing cue. Of course this is completely missed or ignored by the commentators.
I have seen Earl's setup many times so I can verify that while with Cuetec Earl Strickland did in fact use a "jump" cue. He didn't use a 41" phenolic tipped one but he did use a much shorter modified version of his cue which also qualifies as a jump cue.
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Hail Mary Shot said:I got a new idea, how about bracketing players according to height or weight class?
I do not completely agree that being a dwarf is a decrement on one's capability in pool. this is not basketball where height is might. same as that with swimming. I had a cousin who is much taller and longer than me. She acknowledges that I am the better and faster swimmer, yet she's able to match my speed due to her long limbs. It's like I'm doing 4 strokes just to reach 2 meters in 4 secs while it only took her 2 strokes. that is why I'm not easily impressed with world record holders who had longer limbs compared to previous holders who got shorter ones.
now, that is a clear handicap and unfair competition. I hope that they make some changes regarding that sport.
Now , with regards to pool, it is rather a battle of wits and precision cue handling capability rather than height.
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Sure, tell that to Scott Tollefson who never needs a bridge.
On the bar table he can reach any shot from anywhere. I'd say he has a height advantage. But people like Parica, Alex and Chamat seem to do all right as well. ;-)