NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

[(((Satori)))]

I certainly wouldn't want to step into a forum filled with insults and ridicule if I were them. It is quite sad that it's come to this.

Most new industry entrants are welcome in a starved industry, but not pool. Nope. Let's shoot 'em down before they get going and let them know what a POS they are.

It's because she locked up John in an exclusive contract then forbid the most wanted rematch in all of pool for me.

And no I don't just want to see them fight or whatever the claim is. I want to see their straightpool games in action against each other again. The feud adds to this, not because of a desire to some kind of brawl, but it is the same as any other sport when the two opponents want to beat each other badly. Who will rise to the occasion? Will they both rise to the occasion? The last match had 4 runs over 100. Man that's great stuff, I want more.

 

[RonnieOSullivan]

There are two possibilities here.

One: Whatever this straight shots stuff is, they've got no idea how to do PR, because the idea of them acknowledging openly that they're not allowing this match to go forward for the reasons they've given would portray them to be oblivious. It would garner the exact reaction you've seen on this thread.

Two: They have an idea what they're doing, but still executed it rather poorly. Basically, by giving it this "they have so much animosity that they shouldn't even be in the same room!" which sounds overblown and unlikely to be truly accurate unless I'm missing a story where Schmidt banged Harriman's wife or something (he is, to be fair, a suave guy), I can't imagine it would really be that acrimonious between them. The idea here is obviously to drum up fervor and interest. Either way, it reflects poorly on them as they're relatively unknown at this point.

Basically, they've put themselves in a position where they'd better mitigate their PR losses best they can and get the match going.

PS as an aside, anybody who thinks that animosity isn't good for sports doesn't understand what it's all about; these people who think sports should be an all out respect-a-thon with no bad feelings are the people who are causing sports to turn into a bland, drab affair with boring atmospheres and two year old children at games.

 

[fishless]

I certainly wouldn't want to step into a forum filled with insults and ridicule if I were them. It is quite sad that it's come to this.

Most new industry entrants are welcome in a starved industry, but not pool. Nope. Let's shoot 'em down before they get going and let them know what a POS they are.

Is the above statement applicable to that POS Canadian and Bonus Ball, you were pretty vocal about a "new industry entrant" if I recall.

 

[JCIN]

Guess I didn't make myself clear. I was looking forward to some great televised Pool playing, which is what comes from your efforts. I couldn't care less about a so-called rivalry or even their personalities.

I got the gist I just wanted to make a bit of a joke about some of the things going down.

All the noise aside both matches these guys have played were fantastic. Top shelf pool in multiple disciplines.

 

[JAM]

It's because she locked up John in an exclusive contract then forbid the most wanted rematch in all of pool for me.

Neither you nor I know what the contractual arrangement, if any, is that exists between John Schmidt and Str8 Shots. We do not know if there is an exclusivity clause, as this may not even be the reason for Str8 Shots pulling out.

Personally, I feel Mark Cantrill should come on this thread, as it was his idea that was the genesis.

If I were Str8 Shots, I would advise those in my group to not post on this forum anymore. It is worse than D.C. There is no bipartisan atmoshpere in pool. It's pool politics at its finest.

 

[jay helfert]

Ironic as this is a forum for old men.

How old are you?

 

[(((Satori)))]

Neither you nor I know what the contractual arrangement, if any, is that exists between John Schmidt and Str8 Shots. We do not know if there is an exclusivity clause, as this may not even be the reason for Str8 Shots pulling out.

Personally, I feel Mark Cantrill should come on this thread, as it was his idea that was the genesis.

If I were Str8 Shots, I would advise those in my group to not post on this forum anymore. It is worse than D.C. There is no bipartisan atmoshpere in pool. It's pool politics at its finest.

"Every one of them has a contract with us. In that contract it states that they will get permission from Str8 Shots management before engaging in activities, or aligning themselves, with individuals or activities that could be potentially harmful to their images, the company’s image, or the industry’s image."


This is a quote from the op. They are using i he clause for exclusivity.

 

[JAM]

Is the above statement applicable to that POS Canadian and Bonus Ball, you were pretty vocal about a "new industry entrant" if I recall.

Unfortunately, Canada was a casualty in my thread about BB. I created that thread to garner attention to Greg Sullivan's plight in Tunica. In essence, I used the Canadian ownership as a means to get the message out there. It was an unfortunate mistake on my part to use Canada in this manner. I have written about it numerous times, on the public forum and privately via PMs to various Canadian members, but you can take a swipe at me, if you want. I'm wearing my big-girl pants today. :smile:

 

[JCIN]

Neither you nor I know what the contractual arrangement, if any, is that exists between John Schmidt and Str8 Shots. We do not know if there is an exclusivity clause, as this may not even be the reason for Str8 Shots pulling out.
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From the OP:

.......Every one of them has a contract with us. In that contract it states that they will get permission from Str8 Shots management before engaging in activities, or aligning themselves, with individuals or activities that could be potentially harmful to their images, the company’s image, or the industry’s image.



Kimberly Griffiths
(877)921 -9511 ext. 121
kimberly@str8-shots.com
www.str8-shots.com

Edit to add: I understand this clause. I also understand putting players under contract if you are providing them a source of income. I just hope the players are getting fair value for their commitments. One reason TAR has never tried to do contracts is because we can not be positive of how much or when we can pay out to different players. If Str8 shots is giving the guys a steady check I respect that and respect their ability to veto something they feel will hurt their brand.

I just dont understand how something doesnt hurt their brand....then it does.

 

[corvette1340]

Neither you nor I know what the contractual arrangement, if any, is that exists between John Schmidt and Str8 Shots. We do not know if there is an exclusivity clause, as this may not even be the reason for Str8 Shots pulling out.

Personally, I feel Mark Cantrill should come on this thread, as it was his idea that was the genesis.

If I were Str8 Shots, I would advise those in my group to not post on this forum anymore. It is worse than D.C. There is no bipartisan atmoshpere in pool. It's pool politics at its finest.

that would be the worst advice ever. To not use the worlds largest billiard site to promote a billiard related industry would be silly. Hell, I got over 2000 unique visitors and enough traffic to generate a monthly quota of google ads just by starting a thread before we opened for business and it's not even in the billiard industry.

 

[JAM]

From the OP:

I read that, JCIN, but I was referencing the word "exclusivity." The image thing is different, I think. :smile:

 

[JAM]

that would be the worst advice ever. To not use the worlds largest billiard site to promote a billiard related industry would be silly. Hell, I got over 2000 unique visitors and enough traffic to generate a monthly quota of google ads just by starting a thread before we opened for business and it's not even in the billiard industry.

How many pros do you see post here? There must be a reason.

 

[corvette1340]

How many pros do you see post here? There must be a reason.

because for the most part they have no idea how to promote themselves or appeal to the masses?

Chris Bartram and John Schmidt are examples of 2 of them who have interacted with people on the forum for quite a while about a lot of different topics and then when they asked for sponsorship it filled faster than they could type.

The ones that have come on here once or twice and then asked for sponsorship have been met with skepticism, ridicule, and spite because they were simply looking for a handout without creating credibility and a rapport. The other pros that come under scrutiny on here have done something to deserve the ribbing that they get. Either with the law or something shady they've done in the pool world.

It's the exact same as with other professional athletes only other professional athletes get scrutinized 1000 times over on media outlets that garner much more exposure. Those that know how to work the system do fine in the public eye, those that don't get eaten alive. It's just the way it is.

 

[JAM]

because for the most part they have no idea how to promote themselves or appeal to the masses?

Bingo! Thus, why they're better off not subjecting themselves to this hellish pit-of-despair forum, filled with opinionated members, myself included. :embarrassed2:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Neither you nor I know what the contractual arrangement, if any, is that exists between John Schmidt and Str8 Shots. We do not know if there is an exclusivity clause, as this may not even be the reason for Str8 Shots pulling out.

Personally, I feel Mark Cantrill should come on this thread, as it was his idea that was the genesis.

If I were Str8 Shots, I would advise those in my group to not post on this forum anymore. It is worse than D.C. There is no bipartisan atmoshpere in pool. It's pool politics at its finest.

Jam---

C'mon... POOL POLITICS? This person makes a thread and says>>>

NO Match for Harriman / Schmidt

Just like a Soup Nazi coming in to say NO SOUP FOR YOU! Acting like she's Don King not allowing a fighter in a ring, except - Don King actually had juice.

It's clear there was a financial motive in her post. Anyone who could read a 2nd grader's Scholastic magazine could clearly see she felt "her side" wasn't going make a huge profit windfall like TAR was supposedly making.

It's clear as day --- the ONLY....I stress OOOOOONLY pool politics getting pulled here is from Str8 Shots..... NOT the AZB community.

What you see here is that this isn't the AZB community's first rodeo and we're astute to horsesh1t when it falls out of the sky in chunks. You're a smart woman. Overly passionate sometimes to the extreme....but smart. What you're doing is standing up for a fellow woman as a defense mechanism and that's nice of you. That said, there's no way you can convince me that you think WE (the community) are pulling "pool politics" with Str8 Shots.

If you REALLY DO believe that.... well..... then you can't possibly have enough intelligence to beat a stink bug at Scrabble. YEAH... I went there!!! You probably average 16 points on triple word scores and the Scrabble board looks like a ton of crosses. If your Scrabble board looks like a huge block of words on tops of words, then stop fronting bs that WE'RE the ones engaging in pool politics.

 

[fishless]

Unfortunately, Canada was a casualty in my thread about BB. I created that thread to garner attention to Greg Sullivan's plight in Tunica. In essence, I used the Canadian ownership as a means to get the message out there. It was an unfortunate mistake on my part to use Canada in this manner. I have written about it numerous times, on the public forum and privately via PMs to various Canadian members, but you can take a swipe at me, if you want. I'm wearing my big-girl pants today. :smile:

By no means was this a so called swipe, you voiced your opinion on certain matters which is allowed and others will also do so. A lot of people including myself believe the motive (intention) before and after this thread was started.

 

[JCIN]

I read that, JCIN, but I was referencing the word "exclusivity." The image thing is different, I think. :smile:

The way I see it if an entity can veto any opportunity it sees as not following its best interest or image that is a pretty exclusive contract.

 

[lee brett]

It has been brought to our attention that there are multiple threads about a possible Schmidt /Harriman match. We know Mark Cantrill started working on this match a couple of days ago and that he has spoken to both players. We were informed last night by Mark Cantrill that both players had agreed verbally with him to do the match. We were told a few hours ago that TAR came in and also made an offer to host the Schmidt /Harriman match.

When Mark Cantrill set about putting this match together, he really had no idea that the level of hostility that existed between the two players was so intense. It did not become apparent until late yesterday afternoon. At that time that he contacted us and shared what he had learned.

Marc and I spent several hours last night and again this afternoon discussing this match. A few minutes ago we had a conference call with both Mark Cantrill and John Schmidt. During that conversation we explained to John Schmidt, who is a Str8 Shots signed player that we did not feel this match was in line with the direction that Str8 Shots intends to take the players, the team, or the company. We understand why this match is such a hot topic and why it would be an exceptional PPV event. The reasons that make this match so attractive to those that would buy it, are the very reasons we feel it is not in John’s best interest.

We chose several professional players to be a part of team Str8 Shots because they are all great people. Every one of them has a contract with us. In that contract it states that they will get permission from Str8 Shots management before engaging in activities, or aligning themselves, with individuals or activities that could be potentially harmful to their images, the company’s image, or the industry’s image.

When we plan matches, we have a purpose for them above and beyond providing the players with opportunities to test their skills or generate some additional income. Our opinion is that this match only serves to create additional animosity between these players and that is not what we want for any player; whether they are associated with this company or not.

We understand that both offers made to the men provided them with the potential to make several thousand dollars. We are also aware that the money to be made off of this PPV match by Str8 Shots or TAR could be quite substantial. That being said, we have asked John Schmidt NOT to do this match. John Schmidt will be compensated by Str8 Shots for the potential loss of income. He has generously offered to donate a portion of those monies to the Str8 Shots Juniors program.

Thank you for your time. I hope you all have a wonderful evening.

Kimberly Griffiths
(877)921 -9511 ext. 121
kimberly@str8-shots.com
www.str8-shots.com

I understand where you are coming from, but i was turned down for sponsorship for apparently having too much baggage, fight with Darren Appleton (fyi i defended myself, i have 100 plus witnesses).

I know John very well, he is a good guy who represents himself well. Maybe in future it would be best for the promotion of str8shots to have the best individuals and if they step out of line then deal with it, not prejudge something that hasn't happened.

By taking this stance you also took away from the juniors being taught properly by me and becoming future champions, not saying some won't be, but i could of changed the way there fundamentals where taught to them at a young age. Now with not letting John play is saying he can't behave himself and represent you well and be the bigger man.

Here is some advice "Don't judge a book by it's cover"

 

[JAM]

...If you REALLY DO believe that.... well..... then you can't possibly have enough intelligence to beat a stink bug at Scrabble. YEAH... I went there!!! You probably average 16 points on triple word scores and the Scrabble board looks like a ton of crosses. If your Scrabble board looks like a huge block of words on tops of words, then stop fronting bs that WE'RE the ones engaging in pool politics.

You want to play some?

I admire the loyalty expressed by patrons of challenge matches on this thread.

That said, the OP needed to put an end to this match, for reasons unknown to me. If she wants them out there, then she can publish a PR or dare to post on this forum again.

Personally, again, I think Mark Cantrill should be the one to clean up this mess.

 

[JCIN]

I understand where you are coming from, but i was turned down for sponsorship for apparently having too much baggage, fight with Darren Appleton (fyi i defended myself, i have 100 plus witnesses).

I know John very well, he is a good guy who represents himself well. Maybe in future it would be best for the promotion of str8shots to have the best individuals and if they step out of line then deal with it, not prejudge something that hasn't happened.

By taking this stance you also took away from the juniors being taught properly by me and becoming future champions, not saying some won't be, but i could of changed the way there fundamentals where taught to them at a young age. Now with not letting John play is saying he can't behave himself and represent you well and be the bigger man.

Here is some advice "Don't judge a book by it's cover"

Oh man.

All we need now is a big tent and a guy in a top hat.

This one is going to 50 pages folks.