Andrew Mathias
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Are there any Cuemakers that wont use Ivory ?
Not looking for Ivory
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I'm no cue maker but I have to ask,are you looking for a maker that will not use ivory or one that will make you one without ivory in it?
There are a couple that I can think of that won't build or repair damaged ivory cues
Andrew Mathias
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Thank you I believe that there is no reason at all for the continued use of ivory in any product. I'm looking to buy a nice custom cue and there are a lot of cue makers that I wont consider because they seem to love to use ivory. Then there are a few that although I'm aware of cues that they have used ivory on they don't have them on there web sites and they don't have links to photos of big piles of the stuff. What I'm looking for are cuemakers who have never used ivory or who at some point in there career made the decision to quit , and particularly any who are vocal in there refusal to work in ivory . IVORY IS BAD . and its pre ban doesn't mean s#!* to me! You never see any one trying to sell any post ban ivory yet elephants are still killed for there tusks. Wonder where the seemingly inexhaustible supply of pre ban ivory comes from?
Your right, there are definitely some elephant loving cue makers who won't use ivory. Thankfully, I'm not one of them. I have ivory in almost every cue I build. I wish the supply of pre-ban ivory was inexhaustible. Every day there is less and the price goes higher. Since 1989 when the S.I.T.E.S act went into effect, the cost of ivory has gone from around 25.00 to close to 300.00 a pound. Most poached ivory goes to Asia. Even if it was available, fresh ivory is no good for cues as it moves, shrinks and cracks very badly.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I but, by your comment
"and particularly any who are vocal in there refusal to work in ivory . IVORY IS BAD . and its pre ban doesn't mean s#!* to me!"
it's apparent, to me anyway, that you are looking for an argument to further your cause. Hopefully not, but, If this is so, the place for that is in the main forum, not the ask the cue maker forum. Thank you.
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Andrew Mathias
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I know your work Mr. Neighbors. I'm not looking for a fight If I was this is most definitely the place. what I'm looking for are the names of cue makers who refuse to work in ivory. The more Elephant loving the better.
Dennis Dieckman ( http://www.cuemaker.com/ ) is an elephant lover and does not use ivory. I'm not as much of an elephant lover, but I do not use ivory either.
dave sutton
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im with dick sorry pal. i love to use ivory. buy a meucci and call it a day... personally i dont like your aproach. like a slap in the face to makers that use ivory. pwesonally i wouldnt make u a cue for twice my charge ivory ferrules included...JMO
whoever made the statement ivory is an inferrior material couldnt be more wrong.
then again opinions are like a$$holes... everyones got one.
good luck in your search
whoever made the statement ivory is an inferrior material couldnt be more wrong.
then again opinions are like a$$holes... everyones got one.
good luck in your search
Actually I don't really like elephants, having seen them close up and dirty.
BUT the idea of killing them [AND I HAVE--see my meb site for details] for their tusks makes me puke. :barf:
And yes there are cue makers who would make you a cue WITH OUT IVORY but most of them would still use it in any other cue and it will be sitting around their shop while your cue is being built. I think you are interested in someone who never has nor never will use ivory. Well, let me offer my services. Their are others out their that feel the same way but we are few and far between.
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For the record, Crown Cues has not ever used Ivory on a cue and has turned down a few opportunities to do so, even when offered a good price. However, we have found that Holly wood offers very similar color tones and grain-like design, so Gene does use Holly in a lot of cues. Although Holly will never satisfy some who insist on having Ivory, many a player loves the look of Holly and is quite pleased with it.
(BTW, Dennis.... I am NOT a wh***.
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i am with you i love the use of ivory theres nothing like it all those winning about ivory use leather from a cow to wrap a cue i use ivory furules only and also for inlays
If you want to shoot a elephant then all you have to do is fly to Africa and pay your money. You can also get a giraffe and leopard while you are there. Right or wrong that is a fact and the hide and tusks do come back to the US.
Which reminds me of a story. Canadian singer KD Land went on a rampage re
meat eaters and the Alberta cattle ranchers. She infuriated and harassed them. She was accepting a Grammy award, I believe and took the opportunity to make an impromptu speech again about cruelty to animals and cows. The camera pans out and then focuses in on her feet. Guess what, she had leather shoes on. I love hypocrisy sometimes. Duh, they came from leather trees I think. Well, they could have been pleather shoes I guess but it made for a good story.
meat eaters and the Alberta cattle ranchers. She infuriated and harassed them. She was accepting a Grammy award, I believe and took the opportunity to make an impromptu speech again about cruelty to animals and cows. The camera pans out and then focuses in on her feet. Guess what, she had leather shoes on. I love hypocrisy sometimes. Duh, they came from leather trees I think. Well, they could have been pleather shoes I guess but it made for a good story.
dave sutton
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hypocrisy is what makes the world go 'round. the same ppl that complain aboput cruelty to animals wear leather shoes and have leather wallets and pocketbooks and diamond crusted leather dog leaches. they are alos the same ppl that say buy american and watch thier sony tv and type on their ghinese made computer and drive their honda accord to work
altho that peta docuamntary on HBO was very very sad
altho that peta docuamntary on HBO was very very sad
Just because you can doesn't make it right.
I'm not a big animal rights activist, but I just don't believe it's right to kill off a species that is not being re-supplied, like trees, cattle, chickens, pigs, fish, sheep...
Nobody asked for your opinions (or mine) about what is right or wrong. The question was simply "Are there any Cuemakers that wont use Ivory ?"
If you use Ivory, please quit hijacking the thread and go find someone else to harrass. He's obviously NOT talking to you and isn't looking to buy your cues. So, grow up and quit having a temper tantrum over it. Good grief!
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Dave Tice will not use any ivory. His cues are as good as it gets period! Playing wise.
Dave Tice will not use any ivory. His cues are as good as it gets period! Playing wise.
Preservation of the species includes herd management, there is no more "killing off" of the species. You are 30 years behind in your understanding of what has been done to insure the species survival.
You are correct when you say the OP will never buy one of Murray's cues, even if he wanted one.
Get your panties out of a wad. I was not offering a opinion.
If you look at what I quoted I was answering the question about where does the ivory come from, not the original post.
If you look at what I quoted I was answering the question about where does the ivory come from, not the original post.