Not Much Betting On A $100,000 match

Greatest match? Most probably not... that title has been taken by the 2016 dafabet masters, for sure. Almost all O'Sullivan matches were extraordinary.

As for this match - meh. Van Boening does show great consistency whereas Orcullo is not able to play as soon as he is annoyed.
Why would you bet on that.

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I'd sooner become the Queen of England before anyone convinces me that DO puts
up $25K of his own money against the guy that has a history of Horse-F*cking him.
 
Just gonna share the flyer because for some reason,
it was a pain in the ass for me to find it again even though I was seeing it everywhere.

Johnny it's 10b, Call shot (not call-shot call-safe), Winner breaks, standard wooden rack,
standard 9-foot pro-cut diamond table, (not shimmed etc).

With a standard rack it's a no-brainer they're gonna rack their own. No mention of jump cues being banned,
so I would assume they're allowed.

French shot himself in the foot by letting it slip that he was backing Ko Pin Yi,
while Ko was playing French's other horse.

This immediately caused suspicious types to wonder if the whole match with Dennis was rigged.
And the $20,000 match was actually a $2500 match, and French knew this but didn't mention it.

They have a plausible innocent explanation for all of this... kpy's backer backed out,
so they decided to hold the match anyway for the sake of the streamers
and scraped up a few bucks to give the players something for their effort.

And french claims he wasn't backing KPY at the time of the match,
he was only going to stake him at the DCC.

Even if all that's true, by failing to disclose the changed bet he made it pretty clear
he is willing to lie about the stakes in a match, and that alone is enough
to change how people would bet.
Dennis and Shane may not play the same if the money is only a fraction of what's claimed.

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Why so little betting on the Shane/Dennis 100k Greatest Match On Earth? It's still for 100k...50k per man...right? Johnnyt

Most of the time in the Action Room, betting doesn't take place until a few days before the event.

As you can tell from the responses, most of us have found that betting against Shane playing a long race in 10 ball is inadvisable. Shane has the best 10 ball break of anybody who has ever lived and has the uncanny ability to play for many hours and days on end without losing a beat. So 10 ball favors Shane and a race to 150 favors Shane. This is also why Shane is playing. He can easily get staked.

Dennis is a great player - absolutely world class. He would be a favorite against any other player except Shane. He would be better off playing a shorter race in 9 ball, but would still be the underdog (due to Shane's B & R percentage). I think it will be somewhat closer than Mikey predicts but the outcome is almost certain.

Put Shaw in against Orcullo in 10 ball, then you might see some action.
 
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When you have to give Dennis Orcullo 15 games to make it competitive you are the undisputed baddest man on earth. Shane is no doubt the king of 9/10 ball. Nobody bets against this guy without games on the wire or money odds (NOBODY)
 
I don't think this match will come off as advertised for the amount advertised. It might happen for 5 or 10K but that's about it. Just my opinion.
 
I will never again side bet a match that has Anything involving French. Dennis isn't trustworthy either.
Also, I can't imagine Shane playing this set if the bet drops down to 5/10k for a race that long.


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I will never again side bet a match that has Anything involving French. Dennis isn't trustworthy either.
Also, I can't imagine Shane playing this set if the bet drops down to 5/10k for a race that long.


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It doesn't matter if Dennis is trustworthy.... He's going to lose whether he tries to win or not
 
It doesn't matter if Dennis is trustworthy.... He's going to lose whether he tries to win or not


I agree, all I'm saying is I want no part of French or Dennis. It doesn't matter, nobody is going to bet on Dennis without a hefty spot anyways.


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Questions, Questions

Unless Dennis hates his money or going kamikaze why didn't he
1) ask to play GC 4 inches? Like in the Ko match.
IMHO, Dennis chances go up a lot if they play tight pockets. Fewer easy run outs on tight pockets
2) ask to play 9 ball? Dennis has better chance in 9b. They could play call shot if they do not want lucky rolls .
3) ask for referee rack? with wooden rack like in WCOP 2015. in WCOP, they employed referee rack with wooden rack and that was disastrous for the big breakers like Shane, Dechaine, Ko. They were either breaking dry or scratching or when balls were down they had ugly clusters. They couldn't get hang of the break

Something is not right. is Dennis so confident because he has some super duper move or weapon he will unleash during the match that will floor Shane.
For sure, Dennis has been practising hard on his break and we can see much improved break from Dennis in his match v Ko. If he was breaking poorly like before, he would have lost match to Ko.
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Unless Dennis hates his money or going kamikaze why didn't he
1) ask to play GC 4 inches? Like in the Ko match.
IMHO, Dennis chances go up a lot if they play tight pockets. Fewer easy run outs on tight pockets
2) ask to play 9 ball? Dennis has better chance in 9b. They could play call shot if they do not want lucky rolls .
3) ask for referee rack? with wooden rack like in WCOP 2015. in WCOP, they employed referee rack with wooden rack and that was disastrous for the big breakers like Shane, Dechaine, Ko. They were either breaking dry or scratching or when balls were down they had ugly clusters. They couldn't get hang of the break

Something is not right. is Dennis so confident because he has some super duper move or weapon he will unleash during the match that will floor Shane.
For sure, Dennis has been practising hard on his break and we can see much improved break from Dennis in his match v Ko. If he was breaking poorly like before, he would have lost match to Ko.
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The only part of this I disagree with is the word "a lot" other than that these are all valid points. And I still believe Shane would win under those conditions as well, just not by as as big a margin.
 
I agree, all I'm saying is I want no part of French or Dennis. It doesn't matter, nobody is going to bet on Dennis without a hefty spot anyways.


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what are you referring to? can't imagine it's his match against ko since he won.
 
Great Matchup

This is a great matchup between two world class players. I also believe the betting will heat up closer to match time. I don't however put Shane as the huge favorite of 15-25 games some have suggested. The skill level between these two is just to close to warrant that. There isn't much one does better than the other. Sure the edge must be given to Shane in breaking, but don't tell me Dennis doesn't break almost as good. Should be a great match to sweat just going to be a lot closer than most think.
 
This is a great matchup between two world class players. I also believe the betting will heat up closer to match time. I don't however put Shane as the huge favorite of 15-25 games some have suggested. The skill level between these two is just to close to warrant that. There isn't much one does better than the other. Sure the edge must be given to Shane in breaking, but don't tell me Dennis doesn't break almost as good. Should be a great match to sweat just going to be a lot closer than most think.

There's a difference in what the line "should" be and what it will be if you want to bet Shane. I will be the first to admit I really only get to watch these guys when it's on a stream during the day or weekday. However, I spend the majority of my time in the Action Room and everybody will be either laying odds (6/5 is current line with very few people taking Dennis) or laying games. The "actual" line is irrelevant when 98% of people want to bet Shane. You'll go without betting (what this thread is about) or you're gonna lay higher odds or more games than what you want or believe the "actual" line to be. I'd venture to say there will be less action (in AZ Action Room anyway) on this match than most other matches cause everyone pretty much feels Shane is a pretty big favorite and in a race that long winning by 20+ games isn't that big of a difference in winning %'s. 160-140 would be .533 vs .467. Pretty darn close and still win by 20.
 
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This is a great matchup between two world class players. I also believe the betting will heat up closer to match time. I don't however put Shane as the huge favorite of 15-25 games some have suggested. The skill level between these two is just to close to warrant that. There isn't much one does better than the other. Sure the edge must be given to Shane in breaking, but don't tell me Dennis doesn't break almost as good. Should be a great match to sweat just going to be a lot closer than most think.

15 games in a race to 150 would be a tight match.

Many of us have seen it already. They played TAR, race to 100. here's a play by play description with results:

http://massiveunderstatement.com/?p=11648

If Dennis didn't have a bad first day, could have been a lot different, but that's what happened.
 
There's a difference in what the line "should" be and what it will be if you want to bet Shane. I will be the first to admit I really only get to watch these guys when it's on a stream during the day or weekday. However, I spend the majority of my time in the Action Room and everybody will be either laying odds (6/5 is current line with very few people taking Dennis) or laying games. The "actual" line is irrelevant when 98% of people want to bet Shane. You'll go without betting (what this thread is about) or you're gonna lay higher odds or more games than what you want or believe the "actual" line to be. I'd venture to say there will be less action (in AZ Action Room anyway) on this match than most other matches cause everyone pretty much feels Shane is a pretty big favorite and in a race that long winning by 20+ games isn't that big of a difference in winning %'s. 160-140 would be .533 vs .467. Pretty darn close and still win by 20.
I completely agree with your assessment of the betting line and how the games could easily be by a margin of 20 or more games. So can I assume you would give me 25 games and take Shane? Then we wouldn't be woofing we would be betting!


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Cause rest ****ing assured, if you come in here barking, someone will open the gate to the fence you're standing behind and come under the porch you're hiding under and give you all you want.
 
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