Notice to Diamond of no longer delivering pool tables.

JoeyInCali said:
Pfft!
Go to UPS auction site.
Buy an old brown truck.:D
I believe they have the only trucks running around with more miles on them than the truck I'm already driving...LMAO
 
realkingcobra said:
Not really, with the table on a dolly, and the location it's going in, like maybe just a step or 2, no sharp turns or anything...it's a piece of cake. This is one of the reasons I like delivering the ProAms, I'm in and out in less time than it takes for someone to pack in all the parts and pieces required to assemble any 3 piece slate. It only takes about 30 minutes or so to setup a ProAm, don't have to recover it, no seams to match up, no carrying anything it:D The problem is in the shipping of the table, getting it from point a to point b.

Glen

Since they made it so easy for you, maybe they should cut your installation fees and that would allow them to have money to buy you a new truck..:D :D :D
 
I'm Never Too Busy To Help Someone....imo

klockdoc said:
Since they made it so easy for you, maybe they should cut your installation fees and that would allow them to have money to buy you a new truck..:D :D :D


What a foolish suggestion.
Glen, pick out the nicest & newest truck that fits your needs. Examine the truck in broad daylight and disregard the sticker price. Return at 11:00 p.m. (police shift change) and follow these steps:
Things You?ll Need:
Screwdriver
Wire strippers
Insulated gloves

Step 1
Locate the ignition tumbler, the spot where you normally put your key. Remove the covers and panels around the tumbler.

Step 2
Examine the ignition setup. There should be a panel with five to eight wires clipped to the rear of the tumbler. Remove the panel and try to manually turn the ignition switch using a screwdriver. If you can do this, then you are done! When you turn the ignition switch (usually with a key), it rotates a pin or lever on the back side of the tumbler. The panel is essentially a switch with four positions: off, accessories, full on and ignition. The different positions of the key correspond to each of these positions.

Step 3
Research the color coding of the ignition wires for your specific car model. If you are not able to manually turn the ignition switch with a screwdriver, you will have to strip wires to hot-wire the car.

Step 4
Locate the ?on? positive and negative wires in the steering column. They should run up to the ignition tumbler and be color-coded.

Step 5
Pull those wires from the ignition, strip a portion of each and twist them together. The car will now be on and ready for ignition. This is where you truly hot-wire a car. These wires carry a charge, which is why they are called ?hot.?

Step 6
Find the starter wires and pull them from the ignition tumbler as well. Strip the ends and touch these wires together briefly. This should activate the starter, firing up the car. If you have done everything properly, your car will now be running. Do not leave these wires touching each other once the car is running.

Step 7
Cover up any exposed wires to avoid painful electric shocks. Drive away and have your ignition repaired or a new key made so you do not have to hot-wire the car regularly.

Doug
( please disregard this message if you are color blind, as it may result in a huge explosion ) :)
 
Smorgass Bored said:
What a foolish suggestion.
Glen, pick out the nicest & newest truck that fits your needs. Examine the truck in broad daylight and disregard the sticker price. Return at 11:00 p.m. (police shift change) and follow these steps:
Things You?ll Need:
Screwdriver
Wire strippers
Insulated gloves

Step 1
Locate the ignition tumbler, the spot where you normally put your key. Remove the covers and panels around the tumbler.

Step 2
Examine the ignition setup. There should be a panel with five to eight wires clipped to the rear of the tumbler. Remove the panel and try to manually turn the ignition switch using a screwdriver. If you can do this, then you are done! When you turn the ignition switch (usually with a key), it rotates a pin or lever on the back side of the tumbler. The panel is essentially a switch with four positions: off, accessories, full on and ignition. The different positions of the key correspond to each of these positions.

Step 3
Research the color coding of the ignition wires for your specific car model. If you are not able to manually turn the ignition switch with a screwdriver, you will have to strip wires to hot-wire the car.

Step 4
Locate the ?on? positive and negative wires in the steering column. They should run up to the ignition tumbler and be color-coded.

Step 5
Pull those wires from the ignition, strip a portion of each and twist them together. The car will now be on and ready for ignition. This is where you truly hot-wire a car. These wires carry a charge, which is why they are called ?hot.?

Step 6
Find the starter wires and pull them from the ignition tumbler as well. Strip the ends and touch these wires together briefly. This should activate the starter, firing up the car. If you have done everything properly, your car will now be running. Do not leave these wires touching each other once the car is running.

Step 7
Cover up any exposed wires to avoid painful electric shocks. Drive away and have your ignition repaired or a new key made so you do not have to hot-wire the car regularly.

Doug
( please disregard this message if you are color blind, as it may result in a huge explosion ) :)
ROTFLMFAO:D Be my luck, the owner'd come out and ask me what I was doing, and I'd tell him I'm having trouble reading Smorg's directions on how to hot wire a truck, could you either hold this flashlight or read the directions for me while I look for them damm wires he's talking about!!!:D Because I'm a billiards technician, and I don't know shit about hot wireing a truck:D ...by the way, where did you learn Smorg?;)

Glen
 
klockdoc said:
Since they made it so easy for you, maybe they should cut your installation fees and that would allow them to have money to buy you a new truck..:D :D :D
That would work, except them fees are not paid by Diamond, they're paid by the customer:D

Glen
 
Smorgass Bored said:
What a foolish suggestion.
Glen, pick out the nicest & newest truck that fits your needs. Examine the truck in broad daylight and disregard the sticker price. Return at 11:00 p.m. (police shift change) and follow these steps:
Things You?ll Need:
Screwdriver
Wire strippers
Insulated gloves

Step 1
Locate the ignition tumbler, the spot where you normally put your key. Remove the covers and panels around the tumbler.

Step 2
Examine the ignition setup. There should be a panel with five to eight wires clipped to the rear of the tumbler. Remove the panel and try to manually turn the ignition switch using a screwdriver. If you can do this, then you are done! When you turn the ignition switch (usually with a key), it rotates a pin or lever on the back side of the tumbler. The panel is essentially a switch with four positions: off, accessories, full on and ignition. The different positions of the key correspond to each of these positions.

Step 3
Research the color coding of the ignition wires for your specific car model. If you are not able to manually turn the ignition switch with a screwdriver, you will have to strip wires to hot-wire the car.

Step 4
Locate the ?on? positive and negative wires in the steering column. They should run up to the ignition tumbler and be color-coded.

Step 5
Pull those wires from the ignition, strip a portion of each and twist them together. The car will now be on and ready for ignition. This is where you truly hot-wire a car. These wires carry a charge, which is why they are called ?hot.?

Step 6
Find the starter wires and pull them from the ignition tumbler as well. Strip the ends and touch these wires together briefly. This should activate the starter, firing up the car. If you have done everything properly, your car will now be running. Do not leave these wires touching each other once the car is running.

Step 7
Cover up any exposed wires to avoid painful electric shocks. Drive away and have your ignition repaired or a new key made so you do not have to hot-wire the car regularly.

Doug
( please disregard this message if you are color blind, as it may result in a huge explosion ) :)


this is by far the best solution to maximize profit and keep costs lower IMO.
 
My Proposal to Diamond.

I would be willing to buy the truck, meaning if Diamond wants to finance it, I'll make the payments, until the truck is paid for, in which case it would belong to me in the end. Second. Which means, I would be responsible for any and all repairs for maintaining the truck out of my pocket. I would require however that Diamond maintain the truck under the umbrella of their insurance policy as insurance for a single truck, with as many miles as I drive, and the expense of the equipment I transport, the insurance would be to outrageous for a single truck.

BUT, the only way I'd be willing to do this is if Diamond would agree to some of the following things.

As I have always blamed the cloth manufactures, and pool table manufactures for the lack of expertise in my field of work, because they've always had the thought process that their obligation to their product stops once someone has bought it, unless its defective in some way, they've never made an effort to insure their products are maintained after the fact of the sale, this includes ALL manufactures in this type of industry as far as I'm concerned.

If I need to prove my point, I can have customers calling up asking who the manufactures recommend to service tables in their area.

So, if Diamond is willing, within the next 2 years, I'll build a support network of at least 100 billiards technicians that can not only pick up Diamond tables for distribution, but also service the said tables for years after the sale, as to insure that the Diamond tables are going to be maintained to the highest level possible, but this is not limited to Diamond tables alone, this is my industry, and feel strongly that a technician has to be able to work on all types of tables built, not just Diamonds;)

In the course of delivering your tables, I'll post my routs in advance, and ask for the assistance of all those technicians that would like hands on training working with the installations of Diamond tables, and will in turn, pay them the setup price of them installations out of my delivery charges, in my effort to pull together the technicians in this country to insure that there are more of us trained to give better service to the customers AFTER the sale of what ever tables the customers purchase.

And to all those technicians that feel they have nothing left to learn, I guess you could always post $1,000 and we can find out about that on 1 Valley, 1 Brunswick GC, and 1 Diamond 9ft ProAm with the 26 point leveling system;)

It's my goals to pull together the billiards technicians in this country for the betterment of this industry one way or another, as that is the last goal I have set for myself to Finnish before I retire to doing nothing but fishing:D

Diamond, I know you care with all your hearts about your tables after they've been sold, but at the same time, you also know there's not much you can do about it, but there is something I can do, and I will do it.

So, I'm willing to continue giving my support to you, if you're willing to support my efforts to create a network of technicians to help FIX this problem of "less than knowledgeable" billiards technicians in this country.

I would really like to be able to just pick the tables up, head out, and meet up with technicians all around the country and have them doing the installs, I think that would be the best for all concerned. Then in 2 years, all you or anyone else needs to do...is play driver, and I think there's a lot of truck drivers out here that would love a job like this, just drive and meet up with the technicians, and drop off...and on to the next drop off point...it's easy, and trucking takes place everyday:D

Glen, the Realkingcobra:D
 
I Was Waiting For The Other Shoe To Drop

realkingcobra said:
I would be willing to buy the truck, meaning if Diamond wants to finance it, I'll make the payments, until the truck is paid for, in which case it would belong to me in the end. Second. Which means, I would be responsible for any and all repairs for maintaining the truck out of my pocket. I would require however that Diamond maintain the truck under the umbrella of their insurance policy as insurance for a single truck, with as many miles as I drive, and the expense of the equipment I transport, the insurance would be to outrageous for a single truck.

BUT, the only way I'd be willing to do this is if Diamond would agree to some of the following things.
So, if Diamond is willing, within the next 2 years, I'll build a support network of at least 100 billiards technicians that can not only pick up Diamond tables for distribution, but also service the said tables for years after the sale, as to insure that the Diamond tables are going to be maintained to the highest level possible, but this is not limited to Diamond tables alone, this is my industry, and feel strongly that a technician has to be able to work on all types of tables built, not just Diamonds;)

Glen, the Realkingcobra:D


Aha ! Tables OTHER than Diamond............ YOU'RE FIRED.
Management


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Glen, you have received plenty of advice on both sides of the issue here and probably aren't interested in any more but you continue to post so here goes...

I've been a senior business executive for 3 decades and deal on a daily basis with many people who are WAY higher on the food chain than I am.

IMO...virtually all of them would write you off as a service provider for airing all this laundry in public.

Possibly, you don't care and that's fine.

But as I said in an earlier post, this is GREAT marketing for you and props for that.

Regards,
Jim
 
I'm Never Too Busy To Help Someone..... imo

realkingcobra said:
Shit, did I forget to delete that line?:D

Glen


Yes, and a local poolroom is looking for a short order cook and a part-time front desk man.
Table technician falls under the duties of the cook. $7.50 an hour and No overtime.

Doug
(alas, you must provide your own transportation or catch a ride with a fellow employee ) :)
 
realkingcobra said:
I would be willing to buy the truck, meaning if Diamond wants to finance it, I'll make the payments, until the truck is paid for, in which case it would belong to me in the end. Second. Which means, I would be responsible for any and all repairs for maintaining the truck out of my pocket. I would require however that Diamond maintain the truck under the umbrella of their insurance policy as insurance for a single truck, with as many miles as I drive, and the expense of the equipment I transport, the insurance would be to outrageous for a single truck.

BUT, the only way I'd be willing to do this is if Diamond would agree to some of the following things.

As I have always blamed the cloth manufactures, and pool table manufactures for the lack of expertise in my field of work, because they've always had the thought process that their obligation to their product stops once someone has bought it, unless its defective in some way, they've never made an effort to insure their products are maintained after the fact of the sale, this includes ALL manufactures in this type of industry as far as I'm concerned.

If I need to prove my point, I can have customers calling up asking who the manufactures recommend to service tables in their area.

So, if Diamond is willing, within the next 2 years, I'll build a support network of at least 100 billiards technicians that can not only pick up Diamond tables for distribution, but also service the said tables for years after the sale, as to insure that the Diamond tables are going to be maintained to the highest level possible, but this is not limited to Diamond tables alone, this is my industry, and feel strongly that a technician has to be able to work on all types of tables built, not just Diamonds;)

In the course of delivering your tables, I'll post my routs in advance, and ask for the assistance of all those technicians that would like hands on training working with the installations of Diamond tables, and will in turn, pay them the setup price of them installations out of my delivery charges, in my effort to pull together the technicians in this country to insure that there are more of us trained to give better service to the customers AFTER the sale of what ever tables the customers purchase.

And to all those technicians that feel they have nothing left to learn, I guess you could always post $1,000 and we can find out about that on 1 Valley, 1 Brunswick GC, and 1 Diamond 9ft ProAm with the 26 point leveling system;)

It's my goals to pull together the billiards technicians in this country for the betterment of this industry one way or another, as that is the last goal I have set for myself to Finnish before I retire to doing nothing but fishing:D

Diamond, I know you care with all your hearts about your tables after they've been sold, but at the same time, you also know there's not much you can do about it, but there is something I can do, and I will do it.

So, I'm willing to continue giving my support to you, if you're willing to support my efforts to create a network of technicians to help FIX this problem of "less than knowledgeable" billiards technicians in this country.

I would really like to be able to just pick the tables up, head out, and meet up with technicians all around the country and have them doing the installs, I think that would be the best for all concerned. Then in 2 years, all you or anyone else needs to do...is play driver, and I think there's a lot of truck drivers out here that would love a job like this, just drive and meet up with the technicians, and drop off...and on to the next drop off point...it's easy, and trucking takes place everyday:D

Glen, the Realkingcobra:D


If your picking up the tables, delivering them and then training mechanics on how to set up the tables yet giving the money to the trainee how are you making any $$$$.

In all honesty you should have the trainee pay you or Diamond to become Dimaond certified. They would be placed in a roster and Diamond would be building a database of trained mechanics for the future. Any mechanic that wouldn't pay for this would IMO be foolish as long as its reasonable.

Maybe you form a company and train mechanics giving them certification as they go. Table and cloth manufactures could support the company and call you to arrange installations around the country. You would have certified mechanics ready to do the jobs correctly.
 
Look at post # 1

realkingcobra said:
BUT, the only way I'd be willing to do this is if Diamond would agree to some of the following things.

Glen, the Realkingcobra:D
Glen,
Didn't you resign? Why are you negotiating? Are you not a man of your word?
 
av84fun said:
Glen, you have received plenty of advice on both sides of the issue here and probably aren't interested in any more but you continue to post so here goes...

I've been a senior business executive for 3 decades and deal on a daily basis with many people who are WAY higher on the food chain than I am.

IMO...virtually all of them would write you off as a service provider for airing all this laundry in public.

Possibly, you don't care and that's fine.

But as I said in an earlier post, this is GREAT marketing for you and props for that.

Regards,
Jim
We'll see, as I'm interested in supporting a change in this industry as a whole, not just in delivering Diamond tables. I do have other things I'm doing, such as making DVDs for worldwide distribution with Simonis, as a way of selling my knowlege to home owners and billiards technicians all around the world. Recording starts the 1st of June, and I'd have no problem working for Simonis as a technician helping to teach technicians all over the world as to how to work with the Simonis line of cloths:D

Glen
 
frankncali said:
If your picking up the tables, delivering them and then training mechanics on how to set up the tables yet giving the money to the trainee how are you making any $$$$.

In all honesty you should have the trainee pay you or Diamond to become Dimaond certified. They would be placed in a roster and Diamond would be building a database of trained mechanics for the future. Any mechanic that wouldn't pay for this would IMO be foolish as long as its reasonable.

Maybe you form a company and train mechanics giving them certification as they go. Table and cloth manufactures could support the company and call you to arrange installations around the country. You would have certified mechanics ready to do the jobs correctly.
That is why the DVDs with Simonis, I care about this business, all I want to do is help straighten it out, for the better.

Glen
 
Ed Simmons said:
Glen,
Didn't you resign? Why are you negotiating? Are you not a man of your word?
I am a man of my word, and I gave my word long before becoming involved with Diamond that I'd straighten out the billiards technician industry and make it better before I retire, so that's more important to me, than trying to hang Diamond, but they still have yet to talk to me about my proposal, so...we wait:D

Glen
 
frankncali said:
If your picking up the tables, delivering them and then training mechanics on how to set up the tables yet giving the money to the trainee how are you making any $$$$.

In all honesty you should have the trainee pay you or Diamond to become Dimaond certified. They would be placed in a roster and Diamond would be building a database of trained mechanics for the future. Any mechanic that wouldn't pay for this would IMO be foolish as long as its reasonable.

Maybe you form a company and train mechanics giving them certification as they go. Table and cloth manufactures could support the company and call you to arrange installations around the country. You would have certified mechanics ready to do the jobs correctly.
More delivery drop offs, and less setups, means I can deliver tables faster, which means more $$$$$:D
 
TOO Late

Smorgass Bored said:
Yes, and a local poolroom is looking for a short order cook and a part-time front desk man.
Table technician falls under the duties of the cook. $7.50 an hour and No overtime.

Doug
(alas, you must provide your own transportation or catch a ride with a fellow employee ) :)


Sadly, this position was just filled by a Real Estate agent.

Doug
( and you should see her carry that slate )
 
realkingcobra said:
I would be willing to buy the truck, meaning if Diamond wants to finance it, I'll make the payments, until the truck is paid for, in which case it would belong to me in the end.

Why do you need Dia. to finance the truck? You could buy/finance your own truck.

Second. Which means, I would be responsible for any and all repairs for maintaining the truck out of my pocket. I would require however that Diamond maintain the truck under the umbrella of their insurance policy as insurance for a single truck, with as many miles as I drive, and the expense of the equipment I transport, the insurance would be to outrageous for a single truck.

How much is the ins?

BUT, the only way I'd be willing to do this is if Diamond would agree to some of the following things.

As I have always blamed the cloth manufactures, and pool table manufactures for the lack of expertise in my field of work, because they've always had the thought process that their obligation to their product stops once someone has bought it, unless its defective in some way, they've never made an effort to insure their products are maintained after the fact of the sale, this includes ALL manufactures in this type of industry as far as I'm concerned.

How would they insure their prod's. are maintained after the sale? Most prod's are sold with this type of mind set. You can't force people to maintain anything.

If I need to prove my point, I can have customers calling up asking who the manufactures recommend to service tables in their area.

This is already done through the manuf. distributors network.

So, if Diamond is willing, within the next 2 years, I'll build a support network of at least 100 billiards technicians that can not only pick up Diamond tables for distribution, but also service the said tables for years after the sale, as to insure that the Diamond tables are going to be maintained to the highest level possible, but this is not limited to Diamond tables alone, this is my industry, and feel strongly that a technician has to be able to work on all types of tables built, not just Diamonds;)

100 billiard tech's on avg. would be 2 tech's in each state. Do you realistically think you could do this within 2 years? It would be much easier to have the tech's come to your school.

In the course of delivering your tables, I'll post my routs in advance, and ask for the assistance of all those technicians that would like hands on training working with the installations of Diamond tables, and will in turn, pay them the setup price of them installations out of my delivery charges, in my effort to pull together the technicians in this country to insure that there are more of us trained to give better service to the customers AFTER the sale of what ever tables the customers purchase.

Aren't most tech's already working for someone? They would have to miss work for the co. they already work for in order to get your training. Would this be feasible?

And to all those technicians that feel they have nothing left to learn, I guess you could always post $1,000 and we can find out about that on 1 Valley, 1 Brunswick GC, and 1 Diamond 9ft ProAm with the 26 point leveling system;)

It's my goals to pull together the billiards technicians in this country for the betterment of this industry one way or another, as that is the last goal I have set for myself to Finnish before I retire to doing nothing but fishing:D

Diamond, I know you care with all your hearts about your tables after they've been sold, but at the same time, you also know there's not much you can do about it, but there is something I can do, and I will do it.

So, I'm willing to continue giving my support to you, if you're willing to support my efforts to create a network of technicians to help FIX this problem of "less than knowledgeable" billiards technicians in this country.

Is this really Diamond's problem? Or is it all table manuf.'s problem? If it's all manuf's. why would Diamond foot the bill?

I would really like to be able to just pick the tables up, head out, and meet up with technicians all around the country and have them doing the installs, I think that would be the best for all concerned. Then in 2 years, all you or anyone else needs to do...is play driver, and I think there's a lot of truck drivers out here that would love a job like this, just drive and meet up with the technicians, and drop off...and on to the next drop off point...it's easy, and trucking takes place everyday:D

Glen, the Realkingcobra:D

Don't take questions as a personal attack. They are legitimate questions. Let me add that I've contacted billiard co's and table manuf's. asking them to train me to set up and recover/repairs their tables.

Most gave no response. Some said that they only trained those who already work for a table distributor. What you proclaim to do is going to be one tough job.

Here is my suggestion - Start a travelling school to teach those who would like to learn your trade or to better their own career. See what type of response you get from offering this training.
 
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I still have to stop everytime I read the words billiard technician.

The receptionist @ my office that feels it is her job to be nosey in everyone's business, worry about when her next break is and thinks that answering the phone is the last on her list of job duties calls herself

The Director of First Impressions

and even has a sign up on the wall in front of her desk stating as such.
 
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