Notice to Diamond of no longer delivering pool tables.

champ2107 said:
lol, ok :rolleyes: i was just amused by Bvals hit and run one liners I seem to notice often haha:D . Does this mean I am up to three now? ;) :D :eek: Guess I am bored? lol. But just playing around not looking for trouble! dont want nobody breaking both my thumbs! poor fast eddie :D

Sorry, I'm way too confused now, LOL, but it's all good. :D
 
realkingcobra said:
Way to go Donny:D I'll make sure that Diamond knows tomorrow that they have someone in the LA area that they can refer Diamond owners to that can take care of their pool tables the right way:D Glen

I'll have to call Sundown and offer agent services. :D
 
realkingcobra said:
Earlier I was in Vegas, now I'm in LA, by the end of the weekend I'll be back in Vegas, then up in Washington and Idaho, then back in Vegas. When I need to get somewhere fast, I just use my first ex-wifes broom to ride:D Glen

Let me know if you can make a quickstop at Sierra Gold in Vegas.
 
Dartman said:
Thought you hired that secretary :cool:
I did, but then she quit....something about having to ride in the trailer because it has bigger springs didn't set to well with her:D

Glen
 
If they did.....

Fatboy said:
HI there Big Truck, you and Glen should partner up and deliver tables everywhere, Glen can sit in the sleeper online talking shit on the internet, marketing tables, digging up new customers, schedualing repair jobs for existing clients, while your at the wheel burning up the $4.15/gal juice in the rig. Then switch places in accordance with the DOT log book requirements. And when you get to Vegas come hang out with me. What a great plan.....

^^^^Fatboy post above^^^^


I sincerly hope everything works out for everyone, things are getting tough out there and bad things happen in difficult times to all of us. Things are bad for me too and no I'm not being sarcastic-my businesses are getting hammered by the economy, I cant remember it being this bad since the 70's when I was a kid and my mom and dad argued sometimes, in the 80's they got along better, good luck to everyone.


^^^^^2nd post is a sincere Eric P. post not joking or BS'ing, being 100% sincer and honest^^^^

If they did partner up, they would be working a long time to replace all of those eight foot tables in Texas with nine foot proams....

Wow, I've never seen so few full size tables in pool halls before in my life until I went to Texas.


Jaden
 
realkingcobra said:
I did, but then she quit....something about having to ride in the trailer because it has bigger springs didn't set to well with her:D

Glen

Thats just wrong wrong wrong...and apon further inspection she didnt have on black lace panties those were black fly's.......


Craig
 
shinobi said:
Did she really quit, or did she just pretend to quit on the hopes you'd improve her vehicle situation? :p

:eek:
LMFAOOOOO - excellent
That deserves 2 reps (but I think 1 is the limit) :D
 
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doctorb98 said:
Easy Dartman...wait your turn...been waiting 3 months for Glen to head east to NJ with my table...
You would be correct, as you are on my list of things to get done;) soon:D

Glen
 
n10spool said:
No one on here has figured the size truck you need to handle the weight of the tables and the oversived dimensions of the table,you cant stack them ontop only side ways.

So if they are 10' long 2' wide 5' tall turned on thier side weigh 1,300lbs into a 17 foot truck holding roughly 8,000lbswhich would equal to 6 tables by weight and but by size no can fit truck less then 8' wide 17 long.you use the fist 6 feet for tools and in are to relax in holding 4 tables in the truck.. Now comes into play a 20' 3 axle trailer that holds lets say 20,000 lbs now the combination of weight and length get you close to needing a cdl, but for agueement saks we stay under all the restriction so we dont have to incure extra expenses.you squeeze in another 8 tables onto the trailer.

You have 12 tables lets say 600 miles per delivery 7200 miles @ .50 cents a mile thats $3,600 in fuel insurance wear and tear on the vehicle. Sub pays $300 per install. Its also 12 days of driving 12 days of installs plus 24 days of hoel rooms @ $100 a night. Plus another $1000 in food and another $500 in other expense clothes medicine.. you get it ....

gross from install and delivery no tickets....+$7,200
minus fuel.............................................-$2,000
minus hotel...........................................-$2,400
minus food ...........................................-$1,000
minus misc..clothes bandaids tickets..........-$500
you have grand total of...........................$1,300 profit

you still have 7 days left in the month to do more tables for Diamond or local people wanting work or pick up a table in a different state then your in just to make more cash. So if you do the math

30 days = 720 hrs in a month
minus...... 132 hrs of driving deliveries
minus ..... 96 hrs of installs
minus ..... 240 hrs for sleep
minus ..... 90 hrs for meals
minus ..... 10 hrs misc potty break
totals ..... 568 hrs of work to be customer friendly for the love of pool.

for a grand total of lets 24 days 676 hrs to make $1300 profit and have 7 days to relax or cram in more work to get the broken truck fixed.now divide the hrs into the profit. Who wants to sign up or step up ?

Fast times @ Ridgemont high Mr. Hand once said ANYONE ANYONE?????

I have a 16' trailer 5,500 lbs load with a lathe, workbench, ball polisher,hamock and a few things in stock so I can be a full service technictian. I have an f150 gas and an f250 deisel and I have been trying to do the same thing I currently have to many bills to be on the road that much if I still lived with Mom & Dad I would be on the road in a heart beat with hardly any overhead ie bills just what incure on the road.

In my set up I can only deal with 3-4 tables @ a time unless they are import's 7'-8' less weight might be able to squeeze in 1 or 2 more by weight not by size. As for Diamond table I coiuld only handle 3 tables by size and weight. I could do it that would almost be a $1,000 prohit on three table if close by here on the west coast ie 1,500 mile radius would probably be my max unless jobs are close together but if one is in oregon next san clameta ca then utah forget unless i can doit in a smooth arc or circle with out having to crisscross the west coast 2x or 3x the miles..


How many people are losing thier houses and jobs and want to buy lets say $5000.00 + table + another $1000-1500 setup and delivery fee on top,
Remember fuel gas and deisel should be @ $5.00 by summer. so whats that a safe 3%= month in cost that needs to obsorbed each month with out passing it on oopps that would be less profit to pay my bills.

If i say anything more the so called railbirds might want to give me negtive points for crunching numbers they didnt think of.

I probably said to much but I said it and stand by it.

Craig Herman

tried to post a picture but didnt work ....


I would like to thank all the people that gave me some green rep points in the last couple of days. I think I emailed everyone a thank you.

I should have stated that these are rough numbers and not actual prices that most installer's might charge just so everyone could try to see a larger picture. Most just see it as a table on a dolly flop it over throw a level on it a few shims under the legs and it's good. That's not how you do a proffesional tournament quality table install.

I spent 3 years on the road working for cable tv companies as a lead installer training people 16 months @ a time then move on to a different city and state. I worked 6-7 days week leaved in hotels [ i cant stand the smell of bleached sheets anymore ] and realy lived out of my astro van mostly working 8-14 hrs a day. It will drive you crazy when I quit to get back as table mechanic most of my friends said i had changed one way or another.

I still do cable from time to time and still doing tables all the time.

Just because Glen is taking a break from delivering Diamond's new table's he isn't quiting the trade just mainstreaming his client's better serve the sport and not just serving one client 90% of the time. I am sure if you want him to go get a new Diamond from the factory he will but you will pay for the time and milage to go get it. because these tables are to ackward and cumbersume for a standard real shipping company with one driver doing deliveries out of a 40 foot trailer to drop off at customer house or shipping dock. you need to redesign the table to make it shipper friendly or hire a network of real installers and not a bunch of hacks to do the final delivery of this oddball size over wieght cow of a table but it sure play's good dont it.

There's more money in the delivery in one aspect of it but I get more satifaction out of doing a perfect install , I gain more friends, smiles, thank you's and business from people and word of mouth I hardly ever advertise my service.

I have a few friends that travel with me to other pool halls and tournaments as I walk in someone either hands me $20 spot and a thank you or 1-3 numbers of people wanting table work done.

Thats when you know your not a hack.

And my hats off to Glen for going mainstream again and taking care of people that realy apreciate is work like most people do here on this forum.

Glen not going with out work he just has 1 less client to deal with for awhile. It's not like he has to go flip burgers for a month till he gets another table recover or install. He has fat little book of a waiting list for his services already now is he going to use his old pick up or a new truck???

Best of Luck Glen

Craig
 
Just another peep chiming in . . .

While the pratical business sense would have been not to post in a public forum . . . I don't find Glen's posting all that offensive or unethical. Now, that's considering that 6 months of efforts are actually true. We know one side of the story and not the other, so who's to say. I feel that if I hadn't received any response after 6 months, I'm more than obligated to post whatever, whereever.

Keep in mind, Glen posted his message to Diamond. It's a public forum, but he wasn't asking the rest of us to chime in. I also don't see the harm in his message since Diamond hasn't responded, so it's not really even public debate between the two of them.

I work in a customer-driven position as well as with my fellow employees. I sure as heck can't wait 6 months to respond to someone and I would expect my managers to respond to issues in a timely manner also. There was also a comment about anyone can be replaced. Very true. However, quality generally suffers for the short-term if not the long-term.

I've never met Glen, but based on his postings from numerous occasions, he seems to be one of the top-notch table installers around. Glen comes across as being cerebral to the process of installing a table, perhaps eccentric. My experience with individuals who are at the top of their game in a cerebral/mechanical/engineering type of way, is they generally lack some common sense in business practices. Not faulting Glen since his mindset appears to be really attune to the mechanics of table installation versus how to deal with employers.

I'm kind of glad Glen posted. A Diamond table is probably what I would get next, but that's a ways off. I'll make sure that I inquire if he is still installing tables for them as that might determine my purchase. I've had three different installers at my house in the last five years or so and I have yet to get one of them to level the table right. I'm sure there are plenty of good installers out there, but I'm starting to think they are not too abundant.
 
Derek said:
Just another peep chiming in . . .

While the pratical business sense would have been not to post in a public forum . . . I don't find Glen's posting all that offensive or unethical. Now, that's considering that 6 months of efforts are actually true. We know one side of the story and not the other, so who's to say. I feel that if I hadn't received any response after 6 months, I'm more than obligated to post whatever, whereever.

Keep in mind, Glen posted his message to Diamond. It's a public forum, but he wasn't asking the rest of us to chime in. I also don't see the harm in his message since Diamond hasn't responded, so it's not really even public debate between the two of them.

I work in a customer-driven position as well as with my fellow employees. I sure as heck can't wait 6 months to respond to someone and I would expect my managers to respond to issues in a timely manner also. There was also a comment about anyone can be replaced. Very true. However, quality generally suffers for the short-term if not the long-term.

I've never met Glen, but based on his postings from numerous occasions, he seems to be one of the top-notch table installers around. Glen comes across as being cerebral to the process of installing a table, perhaps eccentric. My experience with individuals who are at the top of their game in a cerebral/mechanical/engineering type of way, is they generally lack some common sense in business practices. Not faulting Glen since his mindset appears to be really attune to the mechanics of table installation versus how to deal with employers.

I'm kind of glad Glen posted. A Diamond table is probably what I would get next, but that's a ways off. I'll make sure that I inquire if he is still installing tables for them as that might determine my purchase. I've had three different installers at my house in the last five years or so and I have yet to get one of them to level the table right. I'm sure there are plenty of good installers out there, but I'm starting to think they are not too abundant.

Derek,
You don't have that many posts but this post is quite a post. Like you I'm glad Glen posted his thoughts and if I ever purchased a Diamond Table for my home, I would want a "Glen" to install it and NO ONE ELSE.

I don't know Glen from Ben and while I think there are always at least two sides to every story, I can only imagine that Glen must be a pretty nice guy for Diamond not to argue some of Glen's points of contention. Diamond must have a lot of restraint and like him a lot.

My interest in Glen's story is purely observational. Haven't met him but think he must be a hell of a mechanic. :)

I hope he puts on his thinking cap and figures out a way to keep from burning his bridges and finds a way to make peace with Diamond.

Like I said in a previous post, it seems that the two of them need each other but I have learned that in business one person doesn't make or break a company. Businesses survive when key employees leave or get fired all of the time and Glen should make efforts to bridge the gap between him and Diamond.

Glen doesn't sound vindictive or mean-spirited and I wish him and Diamond the best but vendors/sub contractors have to play nice with their customers or they won't have any customers to play with.

BTW, is it actually harder to move one of those ProAm Diamond 1 piece slate tables than an older 3 piece slate table?

JoeyA
 
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JoeyA said:
BTW, is it actually harder to move one of those ProAm Diamond 1 piece slate tables than an older 3 piece slate table?

JoeyA
Not really, with the table on a dolly, and the location it's going in, like maybe just a step or 2, no sharp turns or anything...it's a piece of cake. This is one of the reasons I like delivering the ProAms, I'm in and out in less time than it takes for someone to pack in all the parts and pieces required to assemble any 3 piece slate. It only takes about 30 minutes or so to setup a ProAm, don't have to recover it, no seams to match up, no carrying anything it:D The problem is in the shipping of the table, getting it from point a to point b.

Glen
 
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