Now that its over, what is this?

Looks like an older Richard Black to me. I'm not an expert, that's just my best guess on it based mostly on the style and on the type of shaft insert used.

Good shooting to you

Kevin
 
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I saw this cue also Dave but HAVE NO CLUE ! I was hoping somebody would chime in. Dan
 
Better pics... you never know...

The last pic is a known example of Petersens double window inlay. There are a few of them, none this early. We aren't saying its a Petersen yet, but a very strong possibility that it could be. We'll explain in detail later...

JV
 

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Some more pics...

JV
 

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I hope for you that it is a CP. Did Helmstetter ever use a 14 pin? I found an 8 pointer in the BB that had the split windows. Anyway, best of luck id'ing it.
 
The H-12 Helmstetter is definately a similar backend in the double window and its a 6 point cue where the smaller point is over the long point and only one has veneering.

Anytime you buy an unknown, you have to look at the package in totality. The issue that Sean and I have been discussing is there are not a lot of known CP cues that are prior to his own shop in the mid 80's.

What we did learn, is that we mic'ed the cues and plotted them in autocad and the tapers never separate for more then .002. Good chance the same or a similar taper bar was used on both cues.

You never know, now the dilemma is to refinish, rewrap (maybe there is writing) who knows. I know the weightbolt is not an adam cue bolt and hopefully we can locate an early similar Petersen to verify other dimensions.

Thats the fun of this hobby, maybe we can start a reality show called "Billiard Wars" or Pool Pickers.. :)

JV
 
Joe, Dan ! If we were to start that Billiards War or Pool Wars what ever you'd want to call it, YOU WOULD WIN BUDDY ! Petersen's, Tuckers, ect. How would we or anybody compete against that, LOL ! Nice find
 
What about the steel joint? It seems kind of thin compared to other CP's I've seen.
 
Thats why you need to take into account the era of the cue. The earliest known cue on record is the cue that Rackrunner had.

This joint appears similar andwe know where the cue is and hopefully we can get a clearer shot of the joint.

Its all about the detective work and its a good idea to have a LOT of reference materials.

JV

thepavlos said:
What about the steel joint? It seems kind of thin compared to other CP's I've seen.
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thepavlos said:
What about the steel joint? It seems kind of thin compared to other CP's I've seen.
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Craig didn't settle on that type of ss joint until later in his career. I have a cue from the early 80s that's got a thinner walled ss joint. Apparently the early ones had all different styles of joints.
 
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I'll try to help'
I've only seen a few cues compared to the vast knowledge you all have in cues.
I'm no professional, I've seen a 1979 Richard black with the fluted joint and the nose of the pin looks slightly different than what the op pictured..the last helmsetter I seen was flat faced and not steal jointed.
I'd post a pic or two but I have not figured out the resizing using the iPhone.





Rob.M
 
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