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av84fun

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NYC Dude...<<and JIM, kinda funny that you are quoting thorsten to me.>>

Also kinda funny that you have me on ignore and yet feel inclinde to snipe back at me on the forum.

You didn't acknowledge my APOLOGY to you re: our debate on the circumstances of AF not being part of the original challenge match...that LJJ was in...nor have you apologized to me for the FACT that I was essentially CORRECT about that matter and you were essentially WRONG!

Ironically, we are both essentially on the same side re: the IPT/Player's issues and I greatly applaud you for the time and action that you are providing.

We engaged in an honest debate about our differing version of what happened in the above-referenced match and putting me on ignore for that was over-kill in my opinion...but hey, you can and will do whatever you want.

Possibly the person who PM'd Dude without bothering to point out that I had obviously not noticed the stale dates will be...umm...kind enough to pass this on as well.

Jim
 
If I spent as much time practicing as you do participating on the forums, I'd be spotting anybody the last three :)

BTW - your quoting style makes your post really hard to read... maybe if you colored them to seperate them more it would help...
 
alright av84fun, for the last time, i will address this subject and put you and it to rest forever.

sometime back you made some BASELESS statement that you think Mike Sigel ducked allsion fisher in the first IPT event.

In your zealousness to be right at all costs, I told you essentially what happened. You, of course, HAD NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, and as an outsider to the pool world, you only look in. You then went on a witch hunt, looking for anyone to corroborate your "hunch". You even went as far as to post in another thread looking for anyone, any stranger, for corroboration. ESSENTIALLY, YOU WERE LOOKING TO BASE YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT ON HERESAY. Thus, why you are on my ignore list. Anyone who is willing to gamble his ENTIRE REPUTATION on heresay, is a loser and wannabe in my book.

With regards to the events that took place, common logic tells us you were wrong.

Even you admit that Allison was contacted first. If Ms was looking to duck her, would that have happened? Alison was in contract negotiations with the ipt. If MS was looking to duck, would that have happened? Allsion had that contract for an extended period of time, (over a month). SHE COULD HAVE SIGNED AT ANYTIME, THEORETICALLY, AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY BOGUS!!!!!!!!!!! At some point alsion went to the wpba about this, either asking for advice, or to ask for permission, and the wpba told her NO!!! Unfortunately, i dont know the reason, but i would think it would be over sanctioning.

I suspect that she was actually getting ready to sign, because that is when the wpba got involved. In response to your post awhile back, someone answered with a bunch of blah, blah stuff and almost as a btw, stated that the wpba did have "something" to do with it.

Unless someone was involved in this particular negotiation, you have to understand that the wpba is not going to reveal to the public what happened. They have received many complaints from it's memebers and have been threatened with law suits over this particular incident. Of this I have personal knowledge.

WHy is it that you don't see llj ranked in the wpba? Where was she for this years open? I told you she renounced her membership to play in that ipt event. Logic tells us that this makes sense. But your still sticking woith your hunch, right?

The problem started when someone at the wpba told a few select players about the ipt's initial applications for it's first 150 memebers. Most players were already under the impression from the incident with allsion, and then lljj renouncement, that they COULD NOT play on the tour, and let the opportunity slip away. I then went on to name TWO SPECIFIC people this happened to. Jeannette lee and Jennifer Barretta. These were two ladies who had very much wanted to play, but missed the opportunity to apply because of the wpba.

Once the other members found out that a few "special" players had been given the go ahead to submit theri applications, word of this spread like wildfire amongst the female players. Unfortunately for most, it was too late to send in an application.

I know of this because I tried to help one of these playes get on the tour, and paid for them to go to ORLANDO and plead their case. The ipt didnt know at that point what had happened, but because the applications from all the othes were in, didnt make any exemptions.

The effects of these events are tangible now. They are easily proven.

No longer do the women seek the wpba's permission to participate in any non-sanctioned events. In fact, some of the ladies have put the wpba on notice that if they try to stop them, they will sue them.

I recently recall Jennifer Barretta playing in south korea in a non sanctioned wpba event. I wonder how that happened?

So av84fun. That is what happened. These are the facts. Mike sigel never ducked allsion.

In the process of trying to "fit" in, you have destroyed your reputation amongst some of the more valued memebers here on this forum. For what, i don't know. Perhaps your one of these people who always have to be right and get some satisfaction from "calling people" out, facts be damned.

I don't know what disturbs me more about you, your pomposity, or your ignorance. For a guy who wants so desperately to be considered a knowledgabel jack of all trades, you come off as nothing more than a bafoon.

Go try to sell your sh!t somewhere else. In my book, your a fraud, just like kt.

Again, once and for all, this is the LAST TIME posting on this subject.

rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
alright av84fun, for the last time, i will address this subject and put you and it to rest forever.

sometime back you made some BASELESS statement that you think Mike Sigel ducked allsion fisher in the first IPT event.

In your zealousness to be right at all costs, I told you essentially what happened. You, of course, HAD NO PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, and as an outsider to the pool world, you only look in. You then went on a witch hunt, looking for anyone to corroborate your "hunch". You even went as far as to post in another thread looking for anyone, any stranger, for corroboration. ESSENTIALLY, YOU WERE LOOKING TO BASE YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT ON HERESAY. Thus, why you are on my ignore list. Anyone who is willing to gamble his ENTIRE REPUTATION on heresay, is a loser and wannabe in my book.

With regards to the events that took place, common logic tells us you were wrong.

Even you admit that Allison was contacted first. If Ms was looking to duck her, would that have happened? Alison was in contract negotiations with the ipt. If MS was looking to duck, would that have happened? Allsion had that contract for an extended period of time, (over a month). SHE COULD HAVE SIGNED AT ANYTIME, THEORETICALLY, AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY BOGUS!!!!!!!!!!! At some point alsion went to the wpba about this, either asking for advice, or to ask for permission, and the wpba told her NO!!! Unfortunately, i dont know the reason, but i would think it would be over sanctioning.

I suspect that she was actually getting ready to sign, because that is when the wpba got involved. In response to your post awhile back, someone answered with a bunch of blah, blah stuff and almost as a btw, stated that the wpba did have "something" to do with it.

Unless someone was involved in this particular negotiation, you have to understand that the wpba is not going to reveal to the public what happened. They have received many complaints from it's memebers and have been threatened with law suits over this particular incident. Of this I have personal knowledge.

WHy is it that you don't see llj ranked in the wpba? Where was she for this years open? I told you she renounced her membership to play in that ipt event. Logic tells us that this makes sense. But your still sticking woith your hunch, right?

The problem started when someone at the wpba told a few select players about the ipt's initial applications for it's first 150 memebers. Most players were already under the impression from the incident with allsion, and then lljj renouncement, that they COULD NOT play on the tour, and let the opportunity slip away. I then went on to name TWO SPECIFIC people this happened to. Jeannette lee and Jennifer Barretta. These were two ladies who had very much wanted to play, but missed the opportunity to apply because of the wpba.

Once the other members found out that a few "special" players had been given the go ahead to submit theri applications, word of this spread like wildfire amongst the female players. Unfortunately for most, it was too late to send in an application.

I know of this because I tried to help one of these playes get on the tour, and paid for them to go to ORLANDO and plead their case. The ipt didnt know at that point what had happened, but because the applications from all the othes were in, didnt make any exemptions.

The effects of these events are tangible now. They are easily proven.

No longer do the women seek the wpba's permission to participate in any non-sanctioned events. In fact, some of the ladies have put the wpba on notice that if they try to stop them, they will sue them.

I recently recall Jennifer Barretta playing in south korea in a non sanctioned wpba event. I wonder how that happened?

So av84fun. That is what happened. These are the facts. Mike sigel never ducked allsion.

In the process of trying to "fit" in, you have destroyed your reputation amongst some of the more valued memebers here on this forum. For what, i don't know. Perhaps your one of these people who always have to be right and get some satisfaction from "calling people" out, facts be damned.

I don't know what disturbs me more about you, your pomposity, or your ignorance. For a guy who wants so desperately to be considered a knowledgabel jack of all trades, you come off as nothing more than a bafoon.

Go try to sell your sh!t somewhere else. In my book, your a fraud, just like kt.

Again, once and for all, this is the LAST TIME posting on this subject.

rg
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I hate to get involved in this tussle, but the truth is that the Cue Dude is largely correct here.

LJJ was not subject to WPBA sanctioning rules in the way that Allison Fisher was. LJJ had retired from WPBA play and was no longer under contract with them.

WPBA sanctioning of an event means that players under contract with the WPBA can play in that event without seeking permission from the WPBA. A player has to receive permission from the WPBA to play in any event not sanctioned by the WPBA. You may recall there was some friction over this subject dring the 2005 Derby City Classic and it was discussed at length right here on the forum.

Historically, the sanctioning issue has been about the WPBA receiving a fee for sanctioning an event, compensation for lending its players under contract to an event.

Cue Dude, thorough his personal research, has determined that some players feel that the WPBA made it appear that IPT events were not sanctioned but later took a different view without publicizing it, causing them to miss the IPT application deadline.

Sigel didn't duck Allison. Instead, WPBA sactioning rules wreaked havoc over the "Battle of the Sexes" event, and also clouded some of the picture surrounding the IPT application process.

Time to let this matter go and move on.
 
DUDE<<Thus, why you are on my ignore list. Anyone who is willing to gamble his ENTIRE REPUTATION on heresay, is a loser and wannabe in my book.>>

Then you need to put the vast majority of posters on this forum on ignore because WE ALL express views that are based on what we learn from other people. Give me a break.

<<SHE COULD HAVE SIGNED AT ANYTIME, THEORETICALLY, AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY BOGUS>>

You know, your use of giant text was really rather childish. But the FACT is that YOU said that AF was FORBIDDEN by the WPBA to do the deal...and in that regard, you were UTTER, ENTIRELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG. Who did you hear that from???? Are you a WPBA official or was your information based on the very HEARSAY you accuse me of??? PROVE IT DUDE!

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you say she could have sign "THEORETICALLY". Well, anyone can do anything THEORETICALLY....You, for example, could stop being arrogant...THEORETICALLY.

<< At some point alsion went to the wpba about this, either asking for advice, or to ask for permission, and the wpba told her NO!!!""

BULL$IT. You don't know what you are talking about. Didn't happen. That is HEARSAY big fella. Did you HEAR them forbid her? Were you in the room or on the phone when it happened? Did Allison tell you peronsally about that??...or is your opinion based soley on HEARSAY!!

And the same simple logic that you said I should use should lead you to the conclusion that you are wrong. WHY would they ban her from the MS match where TONS of great exposure could have resulted for the WPBA as well as Alli...and then "permit" her to join the tour...and possibly never get on a TV macth?? Do you think that the WPBA is STUPID???

<<WHy is it that you don't see llj ranked in the wpba? Where was she for this years open? I told you she renounced her membership to play in that ipt event. Logic tells us that this makes sense. But your still sticking woith your hunch, right?>>

First, LJJ was a GREAT champion but at the time you are referring to she ranked about 62-64 out of 64. She has business interests that I trust generate far more income for her than the very small sums she had been winning on the tour. So LOGIC suggests that she "retired" from the tour...and might well have if she had never heard of the IPT.

You say that you know things for a FACT and berate me for supposedly not having the facts...and then you ADMIT that you are relying on "logic." TOO FUNNY!



<<Again, once and for all, this is the LAST TIME posting on this subject.>>

Well, now you are clearly a known LIAR because you have said EXACTLY the same thing before...not only about responding to me but about commenting on your legal affairs...but you have continued to post about both matters. Feet of clay SIR.

Your bitter, childish tirade over an argument re: whether MS did or didn't duck or whether the WPBA did or didn't ban its players from participating...are NOT earth shaking subjects sir. Certainly the don't rise to the level justifying your bitter and scathing assault...especially since you are fundamentally WRONG about the WPBA banning AF from participation....PERIOD

You really should seek some help.

Jim
 
Whether she discontinued her membership or not, LJJ retired from WPBA play at the end of 2004. She did play in the 2005 BCA Open, but although the result counts toward the WPBA rankings, it is not a WPBA event. As one's WPBA ranking is based on the last ten WPBA events played, one can continue to be ranked even after retirement from competition.

To my knowledge, LJJ has not competed in a WPBA event since the 2004 season, and should be viewed as having retired from the WPBA tour in 2004.
 
the previous poster was a former board memeber of the wpba. There doesnt exist a more EXPERT opinion on this subject in the world. Refer again to sjm's remarks.


There are numerous facts here.

1) ms did not duck allsion. fact is by virtue that the ball was always in her court with regards to her acceptance or not proves that. That is where i expressed pure logic would dictate that the basis for your entire argument is wrong!

2)Allison was told no, she could not particiapate by the wpba.


You are an a@@hole, as you go on to call me a liar, but it is common knowledge that you have no personal experiences here. I was involved in the situation when another wpba pro dragged me into the middle of this.


I was going to offer to bet you. Loser takes a lifetime ban from az forums.

I was going to call in the wpba expert to prove it.

He then comes on and posts that i am right, and you don't even recognize him for who he is. And you think you know pool? You don't even know who the reigning authorites are.

what a joke!

Your a bafoon

rg

Ps, I had intended to never respond to you again, but when I hear you have defamed my character by publically calling me a liar, well, you had left me no option but to come on and set the record straight.

As far as the legal affairs, they don't concern you. They are none of your business, and i was following the advice of counsel
 
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But the FACT is that YOU said that AF was FORBIDDEN by the WPBA to do the deal...and in that regard, you were UTTER, ENTIRELY AND COMPLETELY WRONG.
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Actually, I'm afraid he was right.....
 
Why can't everyone just be friends, like Deno, Kevin and Mike?`

Btw: In my opinion it looks like RG is correct here, but who am I to judge? ;)
 
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Why can't everyone just be friends, like Deno, Kevin and Mike?`

Btw: In my opinion it looks like RG is correct here, but who am I to judge? ;)
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Deno Kevin and Mike::::::::::: Larry, Moe, and Curly Joe
 
I have not spoken to Allison, so I don't know the exact truth on these matters.

But if SJM told me that the sky was green over Allison's house, I would believe him.

When it comes to anything regarding the WPBA, SJM knows of what he speaks.

Mike
 
I concur... SJM knows his facts, I would trust what he said, and I would trust him with my life. I have the utmost respect for SJM, and always will.

That NYC Cue Dude isn't to shabby either, good people indeed!

av84fun, I don't know you, and I am not trying to cause trouble here, and you have always been kind to me. But, these guys really know their stuff and I would count on what they had to say as the gospel.
 
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<<Again, once and for all, this is the LAST TIME posting on this subject.>>

Now EVERYONE knows what your word is worth...NOTHING! You've quit more than Barbra Streisand! LOL

<<the previous poster was a former board memeber of the wpba. There doesnt exist a more EXPERT opinion on this subject in the world. Refer again to sjm's remarks.>>

I just did you moron...and he TOTALLY refutes YOUR version which was the LJJ quit the tour SPECIFICALLY because they refused to allow her to play the match with MS.

Now, you are trying to set the world land speed record....in REVERSE1

Talk about credibility being SHOT!

<<1) ms did not duck allsion. fact is by virtue that the ball was always in her court with regards to her acceptance or not proves that. That is where i expressed pure logic would dictate that the basis for your entire argument is wrong!>>

Your PROBLEM is that your LOGIC was originally touted as FACT. In addition SIR...I ADMITTED in a public apology to you on this forum that I may have misinterpreted the circumstances...and PM'd you TWICE in hopes that you would read it. I also have complimented you repeatedly about what you are doing on the legal front and for straight pool...but you are far too ARROGANT, self-absorbed, petty and juvenile to be man enough to accept an apology genuinely given.

Speaking of juvenile...in one of your posts you wrote..." HA, HA, HA."

I think I stopped saying that in the 4th grade...but it COULD have been the 5th.

<<2)Allison was told no, she could not particiapate by the wpba.>>

BULL$IT...YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. There were some delays in her discussions with the wpba but during those delays...the deal went to LJJ...WITHOUT AF EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT.

You are TOTALLY FOS!

<<I was going to call in the wpba expert to prove it.

He then comes on and posts that i am right, and you don't even recognize him for who he is. And you think you know pool? You don't even know who the reigning authorites are.

what a joke!

Your a bafoon>>

YOU IDIOT!! Quote me....JUST QUOTE ME...where sjm confirmed either of your stories that

1. LJJ quit the wpba tour in order to play the MS match. He fact you stupid A$$ he confirmed EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE! CAN'T YOU READ??
2. Quote me..JUST QUOTE ME any remark from sjm that states that the WPBA BANNED AF from the event. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HER PARTICIPATION WAS UNDER REVIEW AT THE TIME THE OFFER WENT TO LJJ AND IT IS NOT FACTUAL THAT AF WAS EVER FORMALLY BANNED FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE EVENT. YOU ARE UTTERLY WRONG...AS WELL AS BEING AN A$$HOLE.

<<Ps, I had intended to never respond to you again, but when I hear you have defamed my character by publically calling me a liar, well, you had left me no option but to come on and set the record straight.>>

No sir...the truth is an absolute defense to the charge of defamation...and the fact is that you have lied repeatedly about never posting again on the subject at hand.

If you don't even know THAT, then I fear for the outcome of any legal porceeding you might sit in control of. Hopefully, your lawyers know a LOT more than you do.

Finally, in one of your earlier failures at anger management.(one of the symptoms of penis envy by the way) you stated that I was a fraud.

Name ONE THING...JUST ONE..."fraudulent" statement I have ever posted to this forum.

But before you embarrass youself any further, I suggest you look up the definition of that word.

As far as my having lost credibility with the "more valued" posters to this forum...you have already INSULTED MOST posters here by your demeaning remarks about FANS...which constitute the vast majority of posters here and now you go over the cliff of ARROGANCE by stating that, in effect, only the LESSER valued posters here might grant me credibility.

Pretty shameful attitude.

And by the way...how did you get all the millions you like to throw around in your posts on this board? My guesses are that you inherited it or made it as a slum landlord in N.Y.

Finally....DUDE...why that nickname? Are you a DUDE? Are you FANCY?

ROFLMFAO!!

Go get a magnifying glass...try to find your balls...and be a man by apologizing for your WRONG LOGIC and OPINIONS about certain issues in this thread.
 
Eydie...and sjm...That you BOTH for your reasonable and courteous responses.

In fact, however, sjm's post UTTERLY REFUTED that portion of Dude's version of the story when he stated that LJJ essentially quit the WPBA in order to do the MS match. And then, the Dude told me to read sjm's post as evidence the HE was CORRECT.

THAT portion of his post was CLEARLY not the gospel.

In addition, sjm NEVER stated...precisely...that the WPBA FORBADE AF from participation. He never stated that...I am completely confident...BECUASE IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!

There is a VAST difference between not GRANTING permission during the time frame from the initiation of negotiations with AF and the time LJJ was offered the deal...and overtly REFUSING PERMISSION.

In other words...not saying YES within a given time frame before a deal is PULLED is NOT the same thing as saying NO.

The FACT of the matter is that the WPBA had not DECIDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...what it might rule at the time the deal with AF was pulled and given to LJJ.

And thanks again, for your kind remarks...but unfortunately...they would seem to place you...IN THE DUDE'S OPINION NOT MINE...in the ranks of the less "valued" members of this forum.

Regards,
Jim
 
Looks like Aviator aint gonna sleep well tonight lol


I once worked for a high strung person like you, Jim... It was quite the experience ;) His name was Jim too... If he liked pool, I swear you were him ;)
 
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