OB-1 question(s)

Mr. Webb its clear from your past remarks that you don't agree with my process...thats fine. A lot of players complain about the short ferrule (on the 314) and the fact that they often swell up and are not flush with the shaft wood. Plus they are so soft that they scratch up and get real dirty very easily. Its nice to have a new 314 with a good ferrule thats even 1 inch if so desired. Now your 314's ferrule is pretty much bullet proof, chalk resistant, and polished flush so you can not feel the transition to the shaft wood. I, for one, prefer to have my ferrule threaded on instead of slipped on like the cap of a ball point pen! I don't want to get in a name dropping contest, but I promise there are champions playing this way. And its something thats discussed and they stand there in my shop and watch the whole process and then walk into the next room and hit balls.
And then they want their other 314's done....hmmmm....
 
Weight is not the only consideration for materials, the flexing and buckling properties also need to be accounted for which is why Predator and Meucci use such soft ferrules.

Changing any part's materials will almost always have a negative effect on the product, which is why they prepare/ protect themselves with patents that back up their research.

Edit: Mr. Varney, you don't want to name drop but it seems I can't find anything about your name on the internet other than people wondering who the hell you are. So be our guest and drop some names so that we can give credit where credit is due about your work.
 
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Varney Cues said:
Mr. Webb its clear from your past remarks that you don't agree with my process...thats fine. A lot of players complain about the short ferrule (on the 314) and the fact that they often swell up and are not flush with the shaft wood. Plus they are so soft that they scratch up and get real dirty very easily. Its nice to have a new 314 with a good ferrule thats even 1 inch if so desired. Now your 314's ferrule is pretty much bullet proof, chalk resistant, and polished flush so you can not feel the transition to the shaft wood. I, for one, prefer to have my ferrule threaded on instead of slipped on like the cap of a ball point pen! I don't want to get in a name dropping contest, but I promise there are champions playing this way. And its something thats discussed and they stand there in my shop and watch the whole process and then walk into the next room and hit balls.
And then they want their other 314's done....hmmmm....
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It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with you, I just like to understand different logic's. I think it makes us all better technicians. I follow the guidelines set by Predator because it's their product. I am a dealer and repair shop for them, we get along because of my open mind towards different players needs. I myself play with one of my own shafts with a real micarta ferrule, medium moori tip but I can also play with a Predator.
 
Ok pillage6...if it makes you feel better. As stated in my profile, I do all the work for Allison. Not that she plays with a 314 or anything. I also do work for Kelly Fisher, Tiffany Nelson, Kim Shaw, Val Finnie. Other pros I've worked on cues for Gerda, Ewa, Max, and many more through the years. As well as a ton of top road players, Little Tony, Brady, Ron Park, Bob Ogborne, Jaybird, Jeff Abernathy. I promise you've seen many of my cues on TV. Just because I'm small and fly under the radar...isn't a bad thing.
I have absolutely no desire to become famous...life is wonderful as is!!!!
Its kind of funny that Allison Fisher, maybe the greatest female player ever, can get work done anywhere in the world...yet she rings my doorbell.
Ask her next time you see her...feel free.
 
Varney Cues said:
As far as Grice "getting dirty very easily" as Richard stated...thats simply due to not correctly finishing the ferrule. All linen type ferrules have small holes in the weave. Its not a problem to do the correct steps and then the Grice (or Aegis) will have no holes to trap dirt and will wipe clean very easily. The Grice ferrules on my 314 & Tiger are so polished that any chalk will wipe off with my finger...they stay VERY clean. I'll be glad to post pics if anyone is interested.
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Dear Varney,

I would love to see some pictures, especially pictures of grice after being used for a while. Thank you.

I do not have problem with LBM, but grice has always been a pain to work with.

I have tried to use a thin layer of finish to finish Aegis and it worked, but for some reason, grice has always been a problem for me. May be it is only me?:) :)

Thank you.

Richard
 
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pillage6 said:
Changing any part's materials will almost always have a negative effect on the product,
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In this case, just out of curiosity, do you think the new BK 2 ferrule will have a negative effect on the product?:) :D

Thank you.

Richard
 
Richard
I'll be glad to post some pics. I'll have the pics up this evening after my wife returns with the camera. I'll too show how amazingly thin the 314 ferrule is to those who have never seen the inside of one.
Funny...I found that Grice (no longer available) actually polished up easier than the other linens. It looks very much like ivory. The one on my shaft has been played with for a year. It still looks new. The trick with finishing most all ferrules well is to not cut them too far down on the lathe. Then take a few moments and sand them down flush with different grades of sandpaper. By the time I reach 600 grit...the ferrules will shine with spit and cardboard. LOL!!! As a last step...I do have a secret sauce that I polish with that makes the ferrule & tip edge shine like its been dipped into clearcoat. We'll talk more after you see the pics.
 
Richard,

I meant changing materials other than intended, the BK2 has a new design and ferrule material so it should outperform the old BK. But if you changed the ferrule on the BK2 to something other than originally intended than I believe you have a greater chance of ruining the shaft as opposed to making it perform better.
 
Ok...we have pics. Beside my monster jump/break are the Tiger & 314 shafts each with Grice ferrules & Sniper tips. The Tiger shaft is the one in the middle. The ferrules pictured with the knife are from a 314 (on the blade) and from a Tiger shaft (in the V of the knife). You can see how thin & hollow the 314 is and also just how unique a design the Tiger ferrule is and its ferrule is a bit thin for me as well.
Hope the pictures help.
 

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What don't you understand pillage6? Maybe you should reread the thread. The new ferrules are pretty much unbreakable, as opposed to soft plastic, threaded on correctly instead of slipped on, stay very clean, and do not swell with the humidity so they stay flush with the shaft wood.
You are welcome to play with whatever you like pillage6...I just hope I get to draw you in the 1st rd of my next tournament!!! LOL!!!
 
I don't even play pool, so you would probably win.

Just FYI Southwest slips on their ferrules, guess they don't know what they are doing either.
 
Don't take any offense to this Mr. Varney, but I prefer the Mike Webb, "open mindedness", approach to cue building and repair, over your appearant arrogance and belittling. Not exactly the way to win customers or friends for that matter Mr. Varney.
 
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Don't take any offense to this Mr. Varney, but I prefer the Mike Webb, "open mindedness", approach to cue building and repair, over your appearant arrogance and belittling. Not exactly the way to win customers or friends for that matter Mr. Varney.
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After reading this entire thread, I concur.
 
I'm pretty sure Laurie at SW does not just slip on a ferrule. I'd be glad to call her though & ask. Even if she did...its a linen type with a much thicker sidewall.
i_maycotte...no offense taken...choose whatever cue guy you prefer. Mr. Webb does fine work. He just won't fit an Aegis ferrule to a 314. He does it the way Pred. wants. Choices & options are not a bad thing.
Winning customers and friends could put me in the poor house...I have too many of each who still owe me $$$$!!! Do you know the difference between customers & friends? Friends think that their new tip & ferrule should be for free...
 
Of course they don't just slip it on, but it's not threaded either. I believe they call it a "press fit" and is used widely in the industry, but I could be wrong.

It wouldn't be the first time.
 
As promised, here is a pic of the Tiger "X" Laminated Shaft components (Kudos to Timberly's tech support).
 

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well i got my ob-1 on monday, ive only gotten to shoot with it one night so i may be a bit premature. I havent gotten to shoot like i normally do due to tax season, so my game is off a bit, but i did notice i got alot more spin on the ball without much effort. It looks different with the wood ferrule, everyone notices it right off, but i didnt have a problem aiming with it, I had a brown phenolic ferrule on a shaft once and didnt like it, but for some reason this isnt like that. I got a 30 inch one, it didnt feel too heavy, it feels very solid but a little dead. I did notice a little less deflection, but not alot, i guess my original old schon shafts must have been pretty good. I think the only gripe i have about it would be its still a little bigger than i like.......i talked to royce about trying to get down to around 12.30 mm, he didnt recommend it and since hes the expert i deferred to his judgement.
All and all im happy with the shaft.........after so much hype about these specialty shafts you get it and you think its gonna be magic........and hey its not, its just a shaft, maybe a little better made than what you had, maybe about equal. As time goes by and i get more practice time in i might grow to love it more, i can really draw the rock with it and thats pretty cool. I had a stretched out shot, and normally i cant get much draw on one of those, and i was able to pull it all the way back down to the footrail for shapes, so thats pretty impressive.
 
pillage6 said:
Of course they don't just slip it on, but it's not threaded either. I believe they call it a "press fit" and is used widely in the industry, but I could be wrong.
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Is "press fit" what Predator uses, or does Predator only slip it on?

By the way, if you dont mind me asking, do you work for Predator?

Thank you.

Richard
 
I wish I did.

There is only a small difference between "slip-on" and "press-fit", about .002"-.010" depending on your tolerances ;)
 
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