Object ball "Skid" - real or just a BS excuse?

chefjeff said:
Bob was replying to this post:

Originally Posted by pete lafond
... The chalk on the OB/CB do not have top be at contact points to skid, rather they can be at the bottom of the ball when contact is made, raising one ball higher than the other. This is another skid that can occur. Also chalk or a particle in front or behind a ball can cause the same.
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I think this theory might be another cause of this phenom. I've noticed that these skid shots often have happened near the split in the slate, where the object ball is on one side of the split and the cueball (when it hits the OB) is on the other piece of slate. Could it be that the heights of the equators are off so much that, when spinning, the cueball has the unintended effect of skidding the object ball off of its path?

This could be tested by putting one ball on a small, thin piece of cardboard. Any takers?

Jeff Livingston
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Thanks, I completely forgot the slate aspect. We have one table in the room that a slate has lifted (This occurs often and I'm not sure why). So many times do players miss the shot, even simple ones when it is on the edge. If this is the only table available, when I play, I play position to avoid passing it.

(I'm here cringing thinking this might get similar to a much earlier topic where people actually believed that left english on the CB actually caused right english on the OB, or to transfer. When in fact it is just an illusion of transfer due to twist. Note: video reference that shows the player putting top left on the CB to get right on the OB because putting left only on the CB would have caused OB to have top right and not pure right. ) <--- just have to get my way
 
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Wow, this thread sure got heated.

I don't know how well thebighurt plays but I know Craig was on tv in Asia playing pros and I've seen him play in Sacramento. He's got plenty of game.

Bring your A-game thebighurt. Craig may have some different opinions on skid but if he can get some backers, you might be out some $$

Any chance this match can actually happen? History can remember it as the first time people actually matched up after chirping about matching up on the internet.
 
When talking about skid, I've always thought that the cue ball acted like it was trying to climb up the object balls surface which kind of pinched the object ball and squirted it in the non desired direction. Most people say it is chalk and dirty balls but I do notice that it happens when the cue ball is traveling at slower speeds. I try to hit the cue ball a little quicker than normal on those cut shots, using a little low left or low right if I am concerned about the object ball skidding.
JoeyA

chefjeff said:
My measles cueball tends to do it more than my other cueball's, so maybe that is the culprit? It doesn't seem to matter about the cleanliness of the balls or cloth, in my observations.

I was thinking maybe it comes from draw-dragging the cueball and it is going from skid to roll just before it hits the object ball and this causes it?

Maybe we should never find out as this would eliminate a convenient excuse for our misses. :D

Jeff Livingston
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JoeyA said:
When talking about skid, I've always thought that the cue ball acted like it was trying to climb up the object balls surface which kind of pinched the object ball and squirted it in the non desired direction. Most people say it is chalk and dirty balls but I do notice that it happens when the cue ball is traveling at slower speeds. I try to hit the cue ball a little quicker than normal on those cut shots, using a little low left or low right if I am concerned about the object ball skidding.
JoeyA
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Good post. Seems like you explained it well here. I do believe that there is an ideal speed that skid is more likely to occur, or at least the effects are heightened. Kind of like when some hits a cb low to draw it, but hit it to hard and they end up with a stun shot. Someone else has a more gradual and accelerated stroke and draws the ball beautifully without effort. I like what you said.
 
bud green said:
Wow, this thread sure got heated.

Any chance this match can actually happen? History can remember it as the first time people actually matched up after chirping about matching up on the internet.
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Why would anyone want to play against this type of personality?
 
JoeyA said:
When talking about skid, I've always thought that the cue ball acted like it was trying to climb up the object balls surface which kind of pinched the object ball and squirted it in the non desired direction. Most people say it is chalk and dirty balls but I do notice that it happens when the cue ball is traveling at slower speeds. I try to hit the cue ball a little quicker than normal on those cut shots, using a little low left or low right if I am concerned about the object ball skidding.
JoeyA
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I've wondered about this also. I've seen the object ball 'hop' a off-line, then continue in the wrong direction. If so, that would imply a stun or draw shot would help to minimize this potential cause.
 
pete lafond said:
(I'm here cringing thinking this might get similar to a much earlier topic where people actually believed that left english on the CB actually caused right english on the OB, or to transfer. When in fact it is just an illusion of transfer due to twist. Note: video reference that shows the player putting top left on the CB to get right on the OB because putting left only on the CB would have caused OB to have top right and not pure right. ) <--- just have to get my way
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Before anyone decides to respond to this, it's all been said.
 
TheOne has action if he wants it in South Florida. Rob may be woofing here pretty hard but I can tell you that he will get down for the cheese if TheOne desires.

As Rob told me a few weeks back in Hollywood, if you are willing he will play you some Mad Max Thunderdome style pool. "Two bankrolls go in, only one comes out".

Doubt anything will happen of this, online woofing usually is all a bunch of talk, but if it does go down, I plan to be there with some good sized bags of sand.
 
pete lafond said:
... a much earlier topic where people actually believed that left english on the CB actually caused right english on the OB, or to transfer. ...
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Actually, Pete, I think you are the only one here who doesn't believe in transferred side. I've listed several demos. I guess you found them unpersuasive.

Have you tried the demo you suggested for "cloth-induced skid?" What was your result?
 
Bob Jewett said:
Actually, Pete, I think you are the only one here who doesn't believe in transferred side. I've listed several demos. I guess you found them unpersuasive.

Have you tried the demo you suggested for "cloth-induced skid?" What was your result?
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As you have read my many posts here, I have not discounted any post with the exception of dry chalk as most likely not to be the cause of skid. With respect to causes for skids (different from slide), I have stated that there are many. Skid is cause when more than one CB / OB contact is made. Slide on the other hand occurs as a result of a prolonged contact. Both of these are uniquely different.
 
CueJunkiee said:
i have had it and seen it happen... i had an opponent have it on a straight in shot last Sunday... it's totally weird... it was on a gold crown with clean cloth and rails... we practise every sunday together and sometime i attribute it to my/his stroke being tentative.. or jabbing... but can't really give an exact reason... but you can damn well watch the object ball <especially if it's a stripe> just plow motionlessly forward until it starts to spinnn... it hardly ever results in a potted ball :-( !!
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Had it happen to me last night. Good table, championship tour edition cloth, Centennial balls. We had been playing on this table with these balls for four or five hours. So the balls started out polished and ended up slightly dirty over the course of the evening. It happened while shooting a striped ball, at medium soft speed, maybe a 20 degree cut at a distance of about one foot. Missed the shot, too. One way to think of it is the cue ball grabbing the object ball for an instant more than is normal, and sort of pushing the object ball forward a bit before it starts rolling.

Awful.

Flex
 
Bob Jewett said:
Actually, Pete, I think you are the only one here who doesn't believe in transferred side. I've listed several demos. I guess you found them unpersuasive.

Have you tried the demo you suggested for "cloth-induced skid?" What was your result?
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Sorry, this topic is about "skid" and my response was with within the context of this thread. I was addressing slide that occurs on contact.

With respect to the english transfer, I would be happy to discuss with you at any time on a different thread or otherwise. I just do not want to steal from this thread like I just did.
 
uwate said:
TheOne has action if he wants it in South Florida. Rob may be woofing here pretty hard but I can tell you that he will get down for the cheese if TheOne desires.

As Rob told me a few weeks back in Hollywood, if you are willing he will play you some Mad Max Thunderdome style pool. "Two bankrolls go in, only one comes out".

Doubt anything will happen of this, online woofing usually is all a bunch of talk, but if it does go down, I plan to be there with some good sized bags of sand.
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Dave, there is a better chance of Elvis Presley, The Beatles, and Buddy Holly going back on tour again than there is of The One playing me. Thanks for the effort though
 
DougT said:
Why would anyone want to play against this type of personality?
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Exactly right, if he goes postal because he can't get his own way in a debate can you imagine his reaction after losing $10k! :eek:

It would be like tourettes on crack!

:D
 
You need to get some heart boy. Raisins are good for the heart. I knew you were going to be scared to death to play so you can try to impress your buddies now. I tell you what, since you are scared to play. I will play the 12 ball ghost which alot of these PROS are having a hard time beating. Let me know if you are interested. And before you make a wise comment Uwate will back up if I am serious.
 
thebighurt said:
You need to get some heart boy. Raisins are good for the heart. I knew you were going to be scared to death to play so you can try to impress your buddies now. I tell you what, since you are scared to play. I will play the 12 ball ghost which alot of these PROS are having a hard time beating. Let me know if you are interested. And before you make a wise comment Uwate will back up if I am serious.
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LOL, you are funny, gotta love the net! Good luck on the IPT and the WPC, youre gonna kick ass with your knowledge and supreme skills! :rolleyes:
 
thebighurt said:
When I mention the 12 ball ghost that always ends the discussion of playing guys like you
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Wow 12 ball ghost, my hero! Do you do autographs? Whats your name btw?
 
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